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post #1 of 12 Old 03-15-2001, 05:20 PM - Thread Starter
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Forget about JVC japan, 169time,Hipix ETC. What can an HDTV owner currently buy at the local A/V store that records HD? Don't get me wrong, I am very excited about 169time and Hipix and Japanese imports but what about good old HD from USA? I mean it reminds me of the popularity of Cuban Cigars!!! Import them?? Just curious for some discussion.... Regards, Helfy

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1. Panasonic PV-HD1000 D-VHS vcr + TU-DST50 or 51 digital STB--discontinued but often available on ebay and sometimes here in AVS's classified section.
2. JVC's W-VHS analog HD compatible VCR--professional market, expensive, does not do 5.1 audio.
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The answer is nothing.

Popular reasons, pick any you like:

1) MPAA speaking for the studios "asked" Panasonic to discontinue it. "Oh by the way did we tell you our member studios would like to buy some Panasionic broadcast equipment"? That's one version.

2) The DST51 had some issue with the Vchip and at at the same time Panasonic inked the deal with DirecTV so they needed a new design anway. It's not DirecTV's fault but their program suppliers, the studios, won't allow a digital output connection.

3) Nobody was interested at that time in a recorder. That is somewhat true because the DST50/51 became very hard to find but the recorder was easy to get until the very end.

4) The current squabble over firewire with 5c versus DVI interfaces. No manufacture wants to produce another Divx or Betamax.

5) Companies like Tivo and Replay are big market types. They sell hardware at a loss to make it up on subscriptions. There are not enough HDTV users yet to interest them.


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Greg, are you considering selling that W-VHS recorder?

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Cool... I will keep an eye out. It's next to impossible to get a HiPix card for my HTPC (which is really the way I'd rather go)... if you auction your recorder, at least there will be another option out there for me.

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I have been to numerous HDTV demos. The demos are usually played back from what appears to be a Sony-branded HDTV VCR of some type. I don't remember the model number.

Has anyone else seen one of these? How much do they cost? I'm assuming they are geared towards the professional broadcasting market and are very pricy.

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I've seen them. I forget what they are called. Maybe Betacam or something like that if I remember right. Anyway those are professional units and I am sure they cost in excess of $10,000.

I also noticed a lot of demos are using the good old Panny combo.

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The Sony HDCAM Field Recorder goes for $40k, the top of the line studio VTR is over $70k.

http://bpgprod.sel.sony.com/bpcnav/a...ubcat.BPC.html

The Panasonic stuff starts around $40k and tops out at $95k.

http://panasonic.com/pbds/products/mnu_vtrs_vcrs.html

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Greg, the JVC W-VHS model you bought on eBay is the SR-W5U, right? Does it have an RS-232 control port? I'm asking because it would be nice to be able to control the recorder from a computer.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GregQuinn:
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Yep, I may well dump it back on Ebay shortly after it returns from servicing at JVC. If I do that, I'll post a notice to that effect in this group in case anyone's interested..
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Why are you selling it, and why is it in the shop currently? Is the qulity just not there?

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I think I read somewhere in one of the trades that the Sencore box runs around nine thousand U.S. dollars. It's designed for continuous use in commercial demos and testing. It is a PLAYER-ONLY device with no built-in record capability. It plays into the 8VSB RF input of an HDTV or STB.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GregQuinn:
On the money, Chris, yes it was a Sencore box. But I think it must have some kind of record facility otherwize how would they be demoing PBS TV?</font>
Speaking as one who has used one a good number of times...
the sencore recorder is not exactly what you would like to have sitting in your home. There are other sencore boxes which are cheaper but lack a modulator however they come in a pc chassis with windows tools for recording, analyzing and playback. Also note that that box does not record. It only plays back a *compliant* TS via RF mod. So it must be already muxed somewhere and have PSI/PSIP/PMT/whatever data. Without this it *will not* work on your TV set.

Its easier (if you have access to the right equipment) to build your own true MPEG2 HD recorder w/o protection scheme using PC development card combos which expose the TS via APIs. Ofcourse you have to know how to code.

Otherwise these other AccessDTV and whatnot cards look like the best bet.
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