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You mean on D-VHS?

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I'll be interested how we get to watch them when nothing has a Firewire or DVI connection.

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I'll be interested how we get to watch them when nothing has a Firewire or DVI connection.
JVC DH30000 D-VHS deck has analog component outputs.

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does not the new sony have a firewire port...

So if there ends up being hdtv d vhs movies that only work on firewire sets; I think this will ensure even more those standards being used in all future sets... leading to teh elimation of analog hdtv output http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/frown.gif

will be interest to see..


As for the att idea.. i didn't think cable had the bandwidth for hdtv.


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AT&T plans to allow you to download movies overnight over the Internet (with copy protection and for a price), not play them in real time over the Internet.


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An ATSC HD movie is about 15 Gb an hour if I am not mistaken. Even an ADSL connection would not be fast enough for that.

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I'll be interested how we get to watch them when nothing has a Firewire or DVI connection.

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JVC DH30000 D-VHS deck has analog component outputs.
The analog component outputs have to be "image constrained" on "copy never" material (which pre-recorded tapes will surely be) as per the DTCP licensing agreement.

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I'm with you Vic. It's looking like everything we were all so "paranoid" about for the last year. I guess we'll find out more tomorrow, but I'm neither very optimistic nor pleased http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/mad.gif


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The analog component outputs have to be "image constrained" on "copy never" material (which pre-recorded tapes will surely be) as per the DTCP licensing agreement.
Vic;
If that's the case, the presumably the only folks who could view this material in true HD are currently a fraction of the public who have the 1394 viewing capability. Man, this is ridiculous. Could these tapes be viewed via the Pany combo I wonder?


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If that's the case, the presumably the only folks who could view this material in true HD are currently a fraction of the public who have the 1394 viewing capability.
BINGO!!!

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Man, this is ridiculous.
You can say that again!

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Could these tapes be viewed via the Pany combo I wonder?
Only if it has been upgraded with 5C decryption capability. If not, you're out of luck!



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Let's See...

Only Steven Spielberg will be able to watch these tapes.

No one else can be trusted.

So everyone else will get fuzzed-down VHS quality with
the message "YOU ARE A CRIMINAL" flashing intermitttently
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I heard a rumor that all new remote controls will be both imcompatible with existing televisions and will have a new "zap always" feature. When you turn off your TV, the remote will send an electrical shock to your brain that causes you to forget what you just watched. That way all the criminals, oops, I mean consumers will have to pay to watch it again. When asked to comment on this a representative using the alias "Jackie V" indicated, "Clearly the consumer has no permanent right to this material. We are simply enforcing our right to maintain ownership of our property and maximize profits. It is simply the American way."

Edit: Ha! Maybe it should be called "Deja View" because you seem to remember seeing it but can't remember when, where, or what it's about http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/wink.gif

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When you turn off your TV, the remote will send an electrical shock to your brain that causes you to forget what you just watched.
Bummer, do these guys have no shame? (actually that would be kind of useful if you've accidentally tuned to Big Brother!)


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does not the new sony have a firewire port...
The copy-protected Firewire was not Sony's invention, though they were part of the consortium that developed it and they do manufacture a chipset for it.
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As for the att idea.. i didn't think cable had the bandwidth for hdtv.
There are several cable providers with HD channels, including Cablevision in NYC and Time Warner in Central Florida. It's not that they don't have the bandwidth, it's just that they don't want to use it that way. In each 6MHz broadcast HDTV channel, they can broadcast 12 of the digitized NTSC channels that they call "digital cable". Quantity of selection, not quality, is their business model. 500 channels of "nothing's on".

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Gary, I'm anxious to read the announcement, but nothing yet http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif

Can you at least tease us with the # of movies to be released initially?

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Well, I got my copy of HDTV Insider #15 and, without quoting anything verbatim, the blurb on prerecorded HD D-VHS tapes contained the following information:
  • Will ship within 30 days of JVC's and Mitsubishi's HD D-VHS launches (JVC should ship by the end of this month).
  • Will be 1080i transfers.
  • Will cost $19.99 to $29.99 per tape.
  • Presumably more details in his interview with Mark Cuban in the next issue.
Perhaps by the time that these tapes ship Mitsubishi will have shipped its WT-55859 integrated copy-protect 55" RPTV and/or Sony will have shipped one of the two copy-protected RTPVs they have due out. If not, you will only be able to view these things in full HD initially, to my knowledge, on Sony's KD-34XBR2 using, presumably, JVC's $2000 deck or possibly the discontinued Panasonic PV-HD1000. You could also view them on JVC's D'Ahlia using JVC's deck only--neither the Mitsubishi or the Panasonic have the require DVI/HDCP connection.

The Panasonic deck came into being after the DTCP spec was done but before the Adopter's Agreement was worked out. I wonder if it properly does image constraints on its HD analog outputs (assuming it has any).

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Yep, got mine too. I was all psyched for Titles, but I guess we'll have to wait for those http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif

Still, thanks for the info Gary.

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Gary, thanks for your newsletter, and for mentioning those engineers lost in the WTC attack.

Is there any word from Cuban about whether these HD tapes would be downrez'd by the JVC unit when being displayed via the component outputs?

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Is there any word from Cuban about whether these HD tapes would be downrez'd by the JVC unit when being displayed via the component outputs?
That's an interesting question--the answer would only be "yes" if the tapes are being recorded "Copy Freely" or "Copy No More" w/Image Constraint Tokens. Using either option on recordings of recent theatrical releases would seem to defeat the entire purpose of copy-protection.

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The first strike against it is "TAPE". Tape is fine for timeshifting but I've given up on it as being a viable longlasting reliable long term storage media.

The way I see it, a well mastered HD-DVD should last one a lifetime. Then again one would never again be upgrading to a new archive format(ie VHS superceded by LaserDisc superceded by DVD...) which is exactly what Hollywood is counting on.

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I'm confused. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif
Some of you are claiming that the analog outputs will be downrezed because of copy protection and yet many insist that HBO/Showtime/PPV movies are 'true 1080i HDTV' which is already available over analog connections.
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Some of you are claiming that the analog outputs will be downrezed because of copy protection and yet many insist that HBO/Showtime/PPV movies are 'true 1080i HDTV' which is already available over analog connections.
What am I missing here?
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My understanding is that HBO/Showtime/PPV availability over component analog output may be discontinued at some point in the future. Currently, I can't see, for example, my favorite movie "Bullitt" in HD since most all the material on HBO/Showtime/PPV is recent, with few execptions. The movie studios presumably want to protect their material, and will only allow such a highly secure pathway for high def viewing. This is just what I've surmized, but I could be wrong. If they allowed component output at full rez, there would be nothing to stop me dubbing it via my W-VHS unit.


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Gary,

In the article it kind of reads like Mark Cuban will be the one releasing HIS tapes in HD. Are there other companies in that will be releasing them at the same time, or is it just Mark to your knowledge? Thanx.




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In the article it kind of reads like Mark Cuban will be the one releasing HIS tapes in HD
NO! That is not what it says. Read it again. It says HIS plans to release "Hollywood" movies in 1080i on DVHS tape. There is no "kind of" about it. Gary Merson's English is quite clear. However, I think what you alluded to is a great idea and maybe Mark will also release Videos of his HDTV programming. How many would pay $19.95 for the HT beauty contest?

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