|Originally posted by Glimmie:
The studios and content owners have no problems with dead end record deviuces such as Tivo and I think you will see a few HDTV units by next year.
The content owners don't care about whether the device can make portable copies or not, they care about whether its HD video outputs can be freely copied. If copy-protection is put into effect, no output of copy-protected broadcasts in full HD resolution will be allowed over analog HD outputs of any kind, component video or VGA. Your STB without a PVR won't be able to show you copy-protected stuff in HD on HD component video outs and your STB with
PVR won't be able to do it either. They're afraid that you'll use something like JVC's W-VHS recorders (or something better) to archive it and distribute it for gain or mischief, cutting into their profits.
According to the DTCP Adopter's Agreement, the only copy-protected content which can be displayed over analog outputs without image constraint is stuff containing Image Constraint Tokens; the agreement only requires that Image Constraint Tokens be inserted in copy-protect material containing commercial interruptions, so that's probably the only place you'll see them.
The Agreement contains special provisions for PVRs: they are the only devices allowed to record "Copy Never" material at all
, and then only in a temporary buffer for purposes of allowing the user to pause and to rewind through it--if he changes the channel, it will all get dumped; if they record "Copy One Generation" material, it will replay marked "Copy One Generation" (a VCR would have to replay it marked "Copy No More" and the replay could not be copied). This last is obviously to allow people to be able to archive stuff they catch with HD Tivos on HD D-VHS tape, but it also allows them to make multiple tape copies of the program, though only one at a time.
As I keep pointing out, per the Agreement, only subscription movie channels and pay-per-view may be broadcast with copy-protection flags. Rebroadcast OTA HDTV cannot be copy-protected, and any HD content in the vast majority of cable channels which have commercial interruptions, like Discovery and A&E, though it can be copy-protected, cannot be image-constrained. So, such HD recording devices as are introduced that do have analog HD outputs would be useful to non-copy-protected HD set owners who aren't much concerned with the pay cable and DBS movie channels.
|There really isn't much of a copyright issue here and it even opens up the possibility of more revenue for them. Let's say a big fight is on PPV. Of course the signal would be tagged "copy never" but a PVR could record it and allow a one time playback for those who would otherwise miss it.
Sorry, no such luck. If it's tagged "Copy Never" not even a PVR can archive it. It can hold a certain amount of it temporarily in a buffer (the buffer would be of a certain size, say 60 minutes, and when you reached the end of the buffer, the stuff at the beginning would be bagged to make room and if you changed channels, the whole thing is tossed), but that's it. Perhaps one-time, live pay-per-view events won't be broadcast "Copy Never", but "Copy One Generation" to allow time-shifting it; it's not like a very recent movie on pay-per-view where they're trying to sell recordings of it. However, people with non-copy-protected HD monitors will have to suffer image constraints if they order it and time-shift it (or if they watch it in real-time, for that matter).
What scares the hell out of them is not DVHS, it's devices like the HiPix. Reason is once that file is in a standard format inside a standard operating system like WinXX, it can be very esily sent over the internet.
Why would they be scared of HiPix? If copy-protection is widely deployed, there won't be any HD sources of any value for HiPix to capture. All copy-protected HD video will only emerge from STBs of all kinds--HD cable boxes, HD DBS boxes, HD PVRs, HD D-VHS VCRs and HD DVD decks--transmitted over copy-protected digital connections. I don't think that the television studios will care too much if people trade recordings of their OTA HD shows around the net, and that's all that'll be available to devices like HiPix. Of course, they care some
--they did shut down that Internet TV recording service, but I think a lot of that had more to do with the desire that people watch programming with ads from their market area than anything else.
|[/b]So it's in their best interest to promote "closed box" PVR's so more people don't buy these PC based devices. I think the average person would rather have a dedicated PVR versus one of these PC based "toys" that are difficult to use. Don't get me wrong, I have a HiPix and love it. But I live for this stuff.[/b]
I think that the average person would never be able to learn to use HiPix.
I believe that there will be HD PVRs. But they almost certainly will be copy protected, like all the HD VCRs emerging now. The ones that are integrated with cable or DBS tuners are likely to have analog HD connectors to support older HDTVs, but will have to apply image constraints to the limited set of material that I've described above.
[This message has been edited by michaeltscott (edited 09-25-2001).]