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Can anyone tell me what my host channel is? I think it is KQED channel 9.
However, my TVGOS data has been irregular, and I have been having to do a front pannel reset almost every other day because it is not received. Can anyone explain what is going on with my unit?

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Try KGO ch 7. That seems to be mine.
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I live along the CAN-USA border and neither side's host gives me all the channels I watch, so I've had my system set up to grab both countries' hosts (by manually flipping back & forth every couple of days).

But...Since last week, I can now get listings daily from 2 hosts without having to do anything! (Before I had to occasionally edit one of my channel assignments in the Channel Editor to get host #2's listings added to host #1).

My setup - Host Channel = Cable 13 in the TVGOS service menu (CFTO).

In the channel editor...
CFTO-DT Air = 9-1 ON
CFTO Cable = 13 OFF
CFTO Air = 17 OFF

With this setup, I am getting daily combined listings from CFTO Cable 13 and WNED Air 17.

To get combined listings started, you initially have to enter the zip code of your second host (in my case 14201 Buffalo) to get the secondary host's channels to show up in the channel editor. Then later on, enter your home zip code (in my case L3M 4E7 Grimsby) to get your primary host's channels added to the editor (the secondary host's channels remain and don't get erased). In my case, CFTO has 145 channels, WNED has 438 channels. The combined has 532 channels (totals don't add up because of duplicates).

Before last week, I could only get the secondary host listings updated by temporarily changing my CFTO Cable above from 13 to 99 so that TVGOS would not find a valid host and temporarily use Air 17. Now it seems to just grab listings from both hosts every day! Great!

EDIT - Actually upon reflection, I don't think TVGOS has changed. This might have started when my cable co stripped off the VBI off of Cable 35 WNED and I started using Air 17 for WNED. I used to flip Cable back & forth between 13 & 35 for the 2 hosts. The Sony must be set up to check both the cable and air assignments to download listing data - even if the hosts are different - I'm guessing it does this in two consecutive load times rather than during just one. Will be interesting to see if I can mix analogue & digital hosts come Feb 17.

I have tried this EXACTLY with my new Sony V Series TV using OTA only. I realize it is not the same unit as discussed i the thread - but it did not work! Any tips, hints pointers?

I have all my channels listed, but a grat many US ones NBC for example) show No Listings.

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Can anyone tell me what my host channel is? I think it is KQED channel 9.
However, my TVGOS data has been irregular, and I have been having to do a front pannel reset almost every other day because it is not received. Can anyone explain what is going on with my unit?

Thanks

Cw

If your antenna is pointed at Sutro Tower it should be KQED for PBS analog. KPIX 5.1 would be the digital channel for CBS. If you're on cable I would have no idea.
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So,

After 13,743 posts, is the only solution to the digital transition to see if our local stations will be carrying the TVGOS in their digital lineup?!

No proposals from Sony directly?

Just curious.


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I have tried this EXACTLY with my new Sony V Series TV using OTA only. I realize it is not the same unit as discussed i the thread - but it did not work! Any tips, hints pointers?

I have all my channels listed, but a grat many US ones NBC for example) show No Listings.

Stu

Actually, I've since found this to be more rock stable..

In the channel editor...
CFTO-DT Air = 9-1 ON
CFTO Cable = 99 OFF
CFTO Air = 17 OFF

i.e.- Don't leave the service menu host channel in the list. (In my case, Cable 13). The 2nd host here is Air 17. Listings from Cable 13 still get updated as well.
- - - - - -
In digital mode, I find it seems to be even more forgiving..the extra hosts DON'T have to be faked using your local hosts call letters...they simply need to exist (I haven't confirmed yet whether they actually need to even be turned on - that will be my next experiment.).

Service Menu Local Host = Air 40-1 (CFTO) (RF 40-1 VC 9-1).

In the channel editor...
CFTO-DT Air = 9-1 ON
WNED Air = 17-1 ON
CKCO Air = 13 ON

Of course to get the full array of channels, you still need to do the "make each one the host temporarily" setup one at the time - leaving your local host as the last one setup.
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After 13,743 posts, is the only solution to the digital transition to see if our local stations will be carrying the TVGOS in their digital lineup?!
No proposals from Sony directly?
Just curious.

? what could Sony possibly propose if no local station is carrying the TVGOS listings?

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TVGOS data: Sony 250 from 5.1?, LG3410a from my DTVPal setup here, not any more.

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I DO NOT KNOW WHAT SONY WILL PURPOSE, PLEASE TELL US ALL. PLEASE GIVE OUT ANSWERS NOT JUST MORE QUESTION. I AM STUPID AND I DON'T READ MINDS GOOD.

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I DO NOT KNOW WHAT SONY WILL PURPOSE, PLEASE TELL US ALL. PLEASE GIVE OUT ANSWERS NOT JUST MORE QUESTION. I AM STUPID AND I DON'T READ MINDS GOOD.

If TVGOS isn't available in your area, there's nothing you or Sony can do about that, besides buying another DVR that does not rely on TVGOS.

Remember that this is a discontinued product and Sony is under no obligation to support it. In fact, it was discontinued at the end of 2005, more than two years ago.
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If TVGOS isn't available in your area, there's nothing you or Sony can do about that, besides buying another DVR that does not rely on TVGOS.

Remember that this is a discontinued product and Sony is under no obligation to support it. In fact, it was discontinued at the end of 2005, more than two years ago.

I do have digital TVGOS is my area, but the Sony will not drive down that Hwy, not even with the help of 13,793 posts.

I own a discontinued 2005 Honda Hybid Accord and Honda still supports it, and I can still drive my Honda down the media it was designed for. I can still drve my 1969 MGB down the that same media. I can still drive my discontinued 1969 black & white TV down the media it was designed for, with the use of a converter.

What makes Sony so special? Do you work for them?

"More than two years ago" Sony knew that analog signals were going away, so why did they design a digital product that needed analog signals to work. THEY MUST BE STUPID LIKE ME.

I own a "more than two year old" (such a long,long time)Toshiba TV with TVGOS and it went from analog to digital just fine.

Seems like Toshiba felt some consumer oblication, you know man, like consumer confidance man, you know like eveyone is like talkn' about, like the economy man.

Kiss your Sony good night, I'm going to bed and f#@k mine.
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But wait thiers more, stay toned...
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I do have digital TVGOS is my area, but the Sony will not drive down that Hwy, not even with the help of 13,793 posts.

WHY NOT? Lots of us with Sony's are able to get TVGOS data from a digital broadcast...

And even if we weren't, the DTVPal converter is just now starting to get special digital TVGOS data around the country that it can convert to an analog form for any TVGOS device that requires analog data..

"More than two years ago" Sony knew that analog signals were going away, so why did they design a digital product that needed analog signals to work. THEY MUST BE STUPID LIKE ME.

Evidently you haven't read many of the posts from the last year or so in this thread and others about TVGOS and the digital conversion... So you should be advertising your ignorance, not your stupidity..

you know man, like Kiss your Sony good night, I'm going to bed and f#@k mine.

well, if you really want to do that with your Sony, go ahead, but there are a lot of people who would take it in its unf#@ked form

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TVGOS data: Sony 250 from 5.1?, LG3410a from my DTVPal setup here, not any more.

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It was humor man, you know funny man.

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I have been seeing more and more instructions from TVGOS show up on the menu screens lately.

This is the one I got this morning-see picture (basic instructions but with better clarification).

Obviously, the DTV transition is a major mess, and no doubt it has really screwed up the roll out to 100% digital TVGOS and the required in field support of CE devices.

The Wallstreet Jrn. has an acticle today, explaining (in limited fashion) of how the FCC has a major nightmare on their hands.

Anyway, for those that have not seen this screen, here it is:
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Phoenix, the 4th largest market, is apparently cutting off analog next week. It also is one of the cities where the CBS station is not sending TVGOS digitally.

Should be interesting.
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Phoenix, the 4th largest market, is apparently cutting off analog next week. It also is one of the cities where the CBS station is not sending TVGOS digitally.

Should be interesting.

Maybe Vice-Premier Incoherent Pelosi can add a line item earmark to the porkulus pkg forcing independent CBS affiliates such as KPHO to add digital guide data? A bazillion here, a bazillion there... WTF, eh :-|

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Yesterday my guide was reset again. This time KQED 9.1 digital cable was in the number one spot, in the past it has been KGO 7 analog. This may indicate a change in the host for comcast in the south bay. I expected KPIX 5.1 to be the new host. All 8 days of listings were present.

http://www.spiffspace.com/TVGOS_Training_Manual.pdf
NOTE: As part of the agreement that Gemstar – TV Guide has with the Host stations to
include the TVGOS data in the broadcast signal, the Host channel receives “top billing” in the
program list. Therefore, for reference purposes, you can determine the Host channel since it is
the top most channel in the default program list
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Here's something that might provide a fix. Go to the page at the bottom and register as a cumstomer and then you might get an inventation to the Macrovision Live Webinar:
"Managing the Media Mess in the Digital Home"

I got an invite for the Wednesday, February 25th, 11am, Pacific webcast, but I fear my
" Ignorance and stubiity" will prevent me from passing on any cohesive information to this forum.

So if for some reason, anyone who wants to, can't register and/or get an invite (I have no idea how I got one). Let the best mind among them come forward and I will supply my password to them, to enter the live webinar, so that they might report back.

Hopefully the members on this thread, can and will register in mass and attend the webinar.
Let TVGOS/Macrovision know of our troubles posted. Attend in mass, use the power of 15,000 posts and AVS, to tell TVGOS we would like to drive are "two year old" devices down the media Hwy the were designed for.

Let TVGOS know of the customer base they are losing. Let them know we will let their (screen left memu) advertisers know with mass emails in protest and do so. Post a list of those advertisers and we can all start emailing... Tell the ones that pay the bills and then maybe TVGOS, Sony, CBS, PBS etc will feel some oblication...

Use the power of this forum to make the ones who broke it, fix it and then we can put away are ocillascopes and go back to watching TV.

BOZOO

But wait there's more, how do you get spel chec to work in this forummy? and sorry I pissed people off. Last nignt my Sony slept well after our mating.

http://tvgos.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/tv...ge=std_alp.php
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Phoenix, the 4th largest market, is apparently cutting off analog next week. It also is one of the cities where the CBS station is not sending TVGOS digitally.

Should be interesting.

Thats because the PBS station will continue to broadcast it.
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It was humor man, you know funny man.

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Dude, chill out man. These people are here to try and help you. Why all the pi$$ing in the wind?

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Maybe Vice-Premier Incoherent Pelosi can add a line item earmark to the porkulus pkg forcing independent CBS affiliates such as KPHO to add digital guide data? A bazillion here, a bazillion there... WTF, eh :-|

LOL.....+1....If they can buy people cars and new kitchens how about they line item all of us a new Tivo HD with free lifetime.....

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Dude, chill out man. These people are here to try and help you. Why all the pi$$ing in the wind?

Just campaign shoutn' like a southern democrat Chuck Berry~Nadine 1956.

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Has anyone else in Oklahoma other than me found that the TV Guide data on their Sony has stopped this week?
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Has anyone else in Oklahoma other than me found that the TV Guide data on their Sony has stopped this week?

Analog TVGOS was probably shutoff with no digital replacement [yet]. Oklahoma isn't on the list of cities with digital TVGOS.

If you read this thread and others, you'll see a lot of people are losing TVGuide information as their analog TVGOS signal goes dark without an immediate digital TVGOS replacement. Hopefully, the digital version will be up and running in your area within a month or two.
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TVGOS will be messed up for a lot of people across the USA because of Politics. Here in Houston analogue will be here until at least June 12th - and who knows it could be delayed again without just cause?

It appears that nationwide it just depends on if investors are able to get Clearwire functional to the degree they want? It is ashamed that the FCC no longer serves the interest of the American people.

Anyway, for those that do not have working Sony Box, just hang tuff maybe it will get sorted out.
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This is TVGOS asking for input, is anyboby interested?

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Maybe some fixes here or at least a chance to "pi$$ into the wind"

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I thought I'd share this update.
Comcast in the Boston area had been passing through an analog feed of WGBH, the PBS affiliate, on channel 97 for several years. This was the channel my DHG-HDD250 with CableCard always used as a host channel until WBZ-DT, the CBS affiliate, began providing the digital TVGOS.
My HDD250 would occasionally jump back to the PBS analog channel as host, but recently it had been locked on the digital. Yesterday, however, I noticed it was showing 97 as the host channel again. When I actually tuned to ch 97, it was no longer analog WGBH, but analog WBZ.
I have no way of knowing if this a conversion of the digital signal by Comcast and somehow it is preserving the TVGOS info. If that is the case, I wonder if this is something the Magic 8 Ball was referring to. I ran the G* test on cable channel 97 and the VBI count was extremely rapid. As a comparison, I hooked up an old antenna and tested the over-the-air WBZ channel 4. The VBI packet count barely rose and it actually received more in the BAD column than GOOD. Maybe that has something to do with my antenna, I don't know.
Anyhow, I though I'd share my recent experiences and see what you all may think.
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When I actually tuned to ch 97, it was no longer analog WGBH, but analog WBZ..

Thanks for that heads-up.

I'm on Comcast in NH and I checked to see if they
have done it here. ANSWER - Yes they Have
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I thought I'd share this update.
Comcast in the Boston area had been passing through an analog feed of WGBH, the PBS affiliate, on channel 97 for several years.

What is/was showing on Channel 97? Are you saying channel 97 was a duplicate channel for PBS and is now a duplicate channel for CBS.

I ask because maybe something similar is occurring with Cablevision.

For some time now the TVGOS data is being transmitted both on the PBS channel (13) and on the TV listing scroll channel (14).

On the other hand, the digital feed from CBS 2.1 is not available through Cablevision, although it is available OTA.

I have been hoping that when the analog feed ends on PBS, if Cablevision continues to strip away the data from CBS digital, it will continue to send it -whether in converted to analog or digital (and hope digital works on my SONYS) form- on the scroll channel.
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What is/was showing on Channel 97? Are you saying channel 97 was a duplicate channel for PBS and is now a duplicate channel for CBS.

Exactly correct - that way the VBI packets could be sent
over the Analog PBS channel now the Analog CBS channel
is being preserved for TVGOS data.
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Has anyone else in Oklahoma other than me found that the TV Guide data on their Sony has stopped this week?

I am still getting it today from OETA 11 in Tulsa OTA. I am thinking I will be screwed come Tues when OETA shuts the analog transmitters off at 1pm. Neither KOTV or OETA have replied to my emails as to whether they will be sending the digital versions. I am still not getting any vbi packets from the digital channels OTA.
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I had been getting TVGOS listings for years primarily via WHYY analog 12 (the Sony almost always chose that as host channel). As of right now (and last night 2/14), no VBI packets were arriving from WHYY analog any more, so the Sony automatically switched to 26-0 (which is the RF channel, without a subchannel, for 3.1 - KYW-DT, the Philly CBS station.) I am having minor problems with the listings filling in, so I went back and forced 3.1 (instead of 26.0) and things are looking up.

No idea why TVGOS disappeared from WHYY analog, nor if it will come back. Maybe last week was a planned (by Macrovision) switchover from analog to digital TVGOS? Nationwide? Anybody else see their analog hosts stop TVGOS around Thursday or Friday of last week?

Nonetheless, it looks promising.
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