But when I restart the DVR (either by unplugging or using the 147412356 reset), I don't lose the date (it comes up with the last date it had while "running") - and the time always comes up at 5:00 PM...
Originally Posted by KerryNY /t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/27690#post_23089401
That sounds very strange to me. The 147412356 warm reset never reboots my DHG... it just resets the date and time, and then closes the menu by itself. Although setting to 5:00 PM would be more convenient than 12:00 AM, my main use for that code is to set the date back to 01/01/04, and that doesn't work for you. (you do enter the code when "Change system settings" is highlighted, right?)
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I lost my patches and FP clock during major crashes and other resets prior to using the warm reset...
Indeed. The 147 412 356 code resets the Menu Clock and Date back to 1/1/2004, 12am Thursday... IF you do not have any TVGOS Patches. The 653 274 147 code reset strips the Patches. No Front Panel Clock, also. The Reset User Configuration would probably or should do the same, I suppose. I do not know, as I did the 653 reset first, and away went the Guide Patches and the FPC.
Any time shown, right or wrong, is a FP clock. After some operations the --:-- displays until you hit the white button or the remote's power. Losing power can cause no FP clock, but it displays if there is a channel number showing. Agreed?
Thanks for this info about clock adjustment and using the .13 firmware .. this is helpful..I have a somewhat useable HD DVR
$2.00 a month no TV Guide but records... that is ok.. cool Rivo should make the equipmebt sellable to the Public ..I bet someone would take up maintaining this..
Unique? Not so. Many on this thread do not have any clock time on the FP. Just this: --:-- .
This is why some do not want to reset yet. They have a clock, with or without a working TVGOS. Do one of the 'hard' resets and you will lose the FP clock
if one does not have TVGOS and/or lost the Guide Patches.
They may be hanging on now... but when their TVGOS quits, it is just a matter of TIME (HA!) that the --:-- will catch up to them when a certain reset/lockup happens.
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Originally Posted by mac24 /t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/27690#post_23088919
But when I restart the DVR (either by unplugging or using the 147412356 reset), I don't lose the date (it comes up with the last date it had while "running") - and the time always comes up at 5:00 PM (if the DVR thinks its earlier than 5:00PM, it will go to 5:00 PM for the previous day). So it's pretty easy for me to set the time, although for the day-of-week it's trickier. Also, the 147 restart doesn't always reboot the DVR - only sometimes.
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Originally Posted by KerryNY /t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/27690#post_23089401
That sounds very strange to me. The 147412356 warm reset never reboots my DHG... it just resets the date and time, and then closes the menu by itself. Although setting to 5:00 PM would be more convenient than 12:00 AM, my main use for that code is to set the date back to 01/01/04, and that doesn't work for you. (you do enter the code when "Change system settings" is highlighted, right?)
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I lost my patches and FP clock during major crashes and other resets prior to using the warm reset. Can anyone else weigh-in on this? Has anyone else used 147412356, and not had the date change?
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Originally Posted by CleCakYngMfd /t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/27720#post_23091008
Indeed. The 147 412 356 code resets the Menu Clock and Date back to 1/1/2004, 12am Thursday... IF you do not have any TVGOS Patches. The 653 274 147 code reset strips the Patches. No Front Panel Clock, also. The Reset User Configuration would probably or should do the same, I suppose. I do not know, as I did the 653 reset first, and away went the Guide Patches and the FPC.
I can verify that using the "Reset User Configuration" in the TVGOS setup menu dumps the TVGOS patches and sets the date back to 1/1/2004 as that's what I stumbled into when I first lost TVGOS in KC in November 2012. I posted the following back on 11/24/12:
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Originally Posted by smf_sony /t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/25830#post_22620764
An interesting observation: I lost TVGOS at the beginning of November and before I had checked this thread to find that TVGOS had gone away, I performed a TVGOS reset on my HD250 and lost the clock and the empty grid. Since then I have been performing manual recordings but the dates were in January of 2004. Just two days ago, my 250 had locked up while I was fast forwarding while recording and had to have the power pulled to recover. I lost the clock again but even without TVGOS I see that the front panel clock is now displaying time that is 6 hrs and 16 minutes ahead of local time. But the strange thing is that the internal clock now has the correct date showing 11/24/12. My HD250 is running software version 1.2.21.
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Originally Posted by smf_sony /t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/27030#post_22960518
Just by accident, the last time I pulled the plug was on Thursday Jan 10, 2013 and my system reset to 1/1/2004. My current system date is 2/4/2004 Wednesday which corresponds to today's date of Wednesday 2/13/2013. Thus my manual recording schedule is correct day for day Monday through Friday and Saturday and Sunday.
I had a power failure 3/13/13 early AM. and when I powered the unit back on on later that morning My DHG internal time was 3/3/04 at 4:59 am. I used DHG-SonyTime.xls to re-calculate my recording times and reset them all successfully: 18:30 (6:30 CDT Wheel of Fortune) came out as 12:15pm Sony time.
No idea why the date was not reset to 1/1/2004 with the power loss. It may have been just a short blip enough to set the microwave clock blinking --:-- and my Panasonic DMR EZ28 to flashing 12:00 (last setup was set to "manual" clock set).
Prior to the power blip the record time for 18:30 was 07:21 pm
That is cool for anyone wanting to use the time calculator and/or do plug-pulling (stressing the DHG), but for me, I have to have the correct time and day-of-week. It helps when viewing the list of Unknowns to know what recorded just by seeing the correct time and the early-to-mid Jan dates of 2004.
I've heard a lot of you mention the no FP clock. I've got cable/cable card (only) and I've done numerous resets (only power via power chord) and I still have a grid, clock, FP clock and channel logos.
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Originally Posted by linkstur /t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/27720#post_23092353
I've heard a lot of you mention the no FP clock. I've got cable/cable card (only) and I've done numerous resets (only power via power chord) and I still have a grid, clock, FP clock and channel logos.
I just came home from a ski weekend, to find my smooth sailing has suddenly turned into tough sledding, faster than I expected.
I swear I had already edited the schedule last week, but my SNL recording missed the 1:30 am shutoff a second time, so recorded until 1:30pm (14 hrs).
I came home at 6pm. My front panel had "-- --" instead of a clock. We did not lose power - so I was perplexed.
I turned the unit on. Suddenly the clock changes to 1:35pm, and the RECORD light comes on. The DHG felt it was still recording SNL, despite being past the cutoff time of its own clock (was 1:35pm when should have shutoff at 1:30pm, when the real wall clock was 6:30pm).
So it appears that the DHG had a freeze up - and rebooted itself - and thus I lost my perfect clock in a way I did not expect. It was not a power outage that got me - but a hang with reset.
I now have to re-edit all my recordings to adjust the time for being 5 hours behind.
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Originally Posted by linkstur /t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/27700_100#post_23092353
I've heard a lot of you mention the no FP clock. I've got cable/cable card (only) and I've done numerous resets (only power via power chord) and I still have a grid, clock, FP clock and channel logos.
Yes, just like CleCakYngMfd, I performed more destructive resets before trying the warm reset. Now it makes more sense why that works for us, and not for some others. BUT, there is also the 653214741 ("cold reset") option. I think Mark said he did not see much difference between the two, but maybe that will reset the date for people who still have a FP clock and patches. On the other hand, it might just destroy them in one easy step. ;^)
It's too late for me to test it, but some brave soul should do it. If it sets the date w/o screwing up the FP clock, it would be a great solution for many people.
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Originally Posted by KerryNY /t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/27720#post_23092740
I performed the more destructive resets... BUT, there is also the 653214741 ("cold reset") option. I think Mark said he did not see much difference between the two...
The 653 214 741 reset will retain the Grid, Listings, and perhaps the Scheduled Recordings. I have not used it, so I do not know what it would do on my DHG.
Woops! Sailing Alert!
The sails are down. I just had an encounter with twin-date recordings. One played, the other would not. I had others that each played and deleted OK. I know at first, I had twin-date recordings with this problem, but the one recording was before I deleted the Guide Patches. So, I am stumped why this is showing up with some twins and not others.
I think WS shot down my sails and remotely hacked my DHG!
I may hook up the Artec to see if I can get a correct November DST date. I have no idea if I will be able to get around to it, before the inserter goes away.
Date and Clock are still ok for now; but I know it will all be very short lived.
Currently the TiVo covers about 95% of the recording “needs” and we only use the Sony for the 3rd channel record about once a week. I could have used a 4th a couple of times but those were not really “must haves”.
Honestly, I do not think I will spend the time everyone else is attempting to keep the Sony alive………………um well maybe next year? LOL The Sony project is number 6,492 on my list of things to do, so it is a little low on the list(s).
Side Note: The last updated Grid in my Sony Box was the first of February. Now "key drops" are increasing. So far it has not affected the major stations in the grid and link to the tuner, only minor channels that I have no interest in. Because TVGOS data no longer flows, it is unlikely "key drops" would be resolved with the attachment of the Artec; but the DST issue might be.
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson /t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/27700_50#post_23093515
The crazies sound terrible.
I may hook up the Artec to see if I can get a correct November DST date. I have no idea if I will be able to get around to it, before the inserter goes away.
Date and Clock are still ok for now; but I know it will all be very short lived.
Currently the TiVo covers about 95% of the recording “needs” and we only use the Sony for the 3rd channel record about once a week. I could have used a 4th a couple of times but those were not really “must haves”.
Honestly, I do not think I will spend the time everyone else is attempting to keep the Sony alive………………um well maybe next year? LOL The Sony project is number 6,492 on my list of things to do, so it is a little low on the list(s).
Side Note: The last updated Grid in my Sony Box was the first of February. Now "key drops" are increasing. So far it has not affected the major stations in the grid and link to the tuner, only minor channels that I have no interest in. Because TVGOS data no longer flows, it is unlikely "key drops" would be resolved with the attachment of the Artec; but the DST issue might be.
I don't know what I will do in the future either. Right now I'm just playing. I wonder what the DHG is going to do when DST change date is in the past. For those "must haves" that don't fit in the TiVo (Mondays) I use the Mag on ABC or Fox. That will last as long as I have digital QAM for basic cable. There is still a lot of SD content riding on HD channels.
I can understand that, especially when it isn't your main/only DVR. But it really isn't bad — once you give up on saving a "grid", FP clock, automatic DST, etc. Once free of those, the maintenance is pretty low. I spend much more time reading and writing in this forum than I spend actually tweaking the DHG. (that wasn't the case when I had the "not in lineup" error, though!)
While we are still learning, and the process is evolving, it currently looks like the following formula produces a nice manually-programmable DHG:
Major reset (choose your flavor at this point)
Load the .13 firmware.
Warm reset (147412356) on Wednesday night (a few seconds before midnight Thursday, if possible, or do it early and adjust the time later by pulling the plug)
When the clock is thrown off by a crash, power outage or DST change, repeat step #3 as necessary.
All this just takes an hour or two the first time; once you commit to it. Grasping at straws is a very natural reaction that all of us have, and it does makes sense for most people to wait for the dust to settle, and see what works for whom. But once you let go, you can still have a very good recorder.
Just an update from the San Antonio area...sometime on Wed. 6th received the "No Listings!"...on thurs. receive notice from CBS affiliate KENS-TV that they are removing hardware by Friday, March 29. I am still getting the clock...I will start experimenting after the 29th...
In thinking about the clock issue, I recall when VCR's were the norm but a lot of consumers complained about how tedious programming a recording was. I recall various "timers" that would schedule recordings very easily...wondering if any of these devices would work on the Sony. Perhaps someone can chime in if this is even possible...
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