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post #61 of 192 Old 05-03-2006, 11:02 PM
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Look people--nowadays unless some kind of police are going to enforce a law there isn't a law.

Either sue or just take it!
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Look people--nowadays unless some kind of police are going to enforce a law there isn't a law.

Either sue or just take it!

Feedback through proper FCC channels HAS resolved firewire issues for some people. The FCC will not RAID the cable company, but if they don't comply, steep, and might i add costly, consequences can be enforced.

Not all laws are enforced by the police, that's why we have other agencies- what do you think the FDA, DEA, ATF, INS, FBI, etc. are for? The FCC is the same thing, but i don't think we need ARMED officers to enforce firewire recording mandates!!! Is that what you just proposed? Give me a break.
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I think the FCC enforces firewire recording mandates with the same zeal that the Border Patrol arrests people it knows are here illegally.

I also think that the FCC is supported by the rest of our government in that enforcement to the same degree that the border patrol is supported.

In other words: Let's get REAL about REAL enforcement. Just because you know something isn't being enforced doesn' mean that you're a fascist or a zenophobe. I don't think the FCC should shoot people.

I do think they should MAKE Cable companies obey the law! If they ever do I'll gladly take a break!

The only thing here that is ever considered worse than anybody not buying something is a threat of a lawsuit. Why? If there aren't grounds it won't happen or will be squashed rather quickly. If it does have warrant the companies should redress what might be wrong and settle out of court.

I guess that's what REALLY terrorizes SOME people here.

P.S.: twitchee3: I do respect your opinion.
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I think the FCC enforces firewire recording mandates with the same zeal that the Border Patrol arrests people it knows are here illegally.

I also think that the FCC is supported by the rest of our government in that enforcement to the same degree that the border patrol is supported.

In other words: Let's get REAL about REAL enforcement. Just because you know something isn't being enforced doesn' mean that you're a fascist or a zenophobe. I don't think the FCC should shoot people.

I do think they should MAKE Cable companies obey the law! If they ever do I'll gladly take a break!

The only thing here that is ever considered worse than anybody not buying something is a threat of a lawsuit. Why? If there aren't grounds it won't happen or will be squashed rather quickly. If it does have warrant the companies should redress what might be wrong and settle out of court.

I guess that's what REALLY terrorizes SOME people here.

P.S.: twitchee3: I do respect your opinion.

The FCC DOES enforce it's mandates, it's just that a very small portion of cable subscribers are even aware of the firewire functionality, much less the FCC mandate. The only way the FCC will know whether or not the cable companies are doing what they should is if people complain when they don't comply. The cable companies ARE STOCKED with firewire STB's, but as far as giving them to their customers and applying appropriate 5c flags, the ONLY way the FCC can be aware of this is through consumer feedback and complaints. So, very few complaints get lodged because of the very few people that try to use firewire, and when there IS a complaint lodged through the PROPER channels of the FCC, the mandate IS ENFORCED.

By the way, the Border Patrol is NOT in charge of dealing with illegal aliens IN the heart of the country, they are merely employed to contain illegals in the process of crossing the borders. It is the job of the INS to deal with illegals already established in the country, and often they are zealous in their pursuits, however they are under funded, and local law enforcement agencies (local police) rarely cooperate and sometimes have rules (such as the LAPD) that PROHIBIT them from taking action against suspected illegal aliens.
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I think the if the FCC REALLY wanted to enforce it's mandates it would be amenable to the idea of starting a reporting system here at the AVS Forum. Go to the HD Recorders forum and you'll see a ZILLION posts about Firewire problems.

The patriot patrols see illegals everyday crossing and report it and the border patrol doesn't respond. Local Police do nothing because they don't have the jurisdiction.

I'm saying the FCC KNOWS what is happening with Firewire--pays lip service to denouncing it--and makes TOKEN efforts to pretend that it is doing anything about it.

I'll tell you this: Run a freakin' CB radio with too much power and see how fast the FCC responds. Ask Howard Stern how fast the FCC responds.

Why doesn't the FCC aggressively enforce Firewire rules--because many of he people who work at the FCC previously worked at the Industries they're regulating--which of course is necessary because you have to have knowledge and expertise and those are the people who have it.

The problem of course is the mindset of such people---after having worked for those industries for a good number of years many of the regulators are sympathetic to what those Industries want which may not coincide with the public interest.

Not to mention the fact that there is always the opportunity for the revolving door sundrome.

All buisnesses in this country react when their MONEY is threatened. It's sad but that's why the threat of lawsuits sometimes is the ONLY thing that gets companies to move.

It's all probably a mute point because eventually Firewire will be useless anyway if the MPAA and the Content Copyright holders get their wish.

Ever watched a Senate hearing on the issue? People complain about Republicans and Democrats always being at each other's throats. When it comes to RECORDING issues they are hand in hand walking over the rights of the video consumer and archivists everywhere.

I don't mind if anyone has views different than mine--I still say SUE! While you're SUEING file a complaint with the FCC. Go to the house of the president of your local cable provider and express your views. Write your congressman. Run for President of the US on the Archivist party ticket!

All these things may be just tilting at windmills but something tells me they may do more than just filing a complaint with the FCC!

If all else fails enlist border patrol agents and illegal aliens who like to archive also in your campaign. Maybe someone will listen then!
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I think the if the FCC REALLY wanted to enforce it's mandates it would be amenable to the idea of starting a reporting system here at the AVS Forum. Go to the HD Recorders forum and you'll see a ZILLION posts about Firewire problems.

The patriot patrols see illegals everyday crossing and report it and the border patrol doesn't respond. Local Police do nothing because they don't have the jurisdiction.

I'm saying the FCC KNOWS what is happening with Firewire--pays lip service to denouncing it--and makes TOKEN efforts to pretend that it is doing anything about it.

I'll tell you this: Run a freakin' CB radio with too much power and see how fast the FCC responds. Ask Howard Stern how fast the FCC responds.

Why doesn't the FCC aggressively enforce Firewire rules--because many of he people who work at the FCC previously worked at the Industries they're regulating--which of course is necessary because you have to have knowledge and expertise and those are the people who have it.

The problem of course is the mindset of such people---after having worked for those industries for a good number of years many of the regulators are sympathetic to what those Industries want which may not coincide with the public interest.

Not to mention the fact that there is always the opportunity for the revolving door sundrome.

All buisnesses in this country react when their MONEY is threatened. It's sad but that's why the threat of lawsuits sometimes is the ONLY thing that gets companies to move.

It's all probably a mute point because eventually Firewire will be useless anyway if the MPAA and the Content Copyright holders get their wish.

Ever watched a Senate hearing on the issue? People complain about Republicans and Democrats always being at each other's throats. When it comes to RECORDING issues they are hand in hand walking over the rights of the video consumer and archivists everywhere.

I don't mind if anyone has views different than mine--I still say SUE! While you're SUEING file a complaint with the FCC. Go to the house of the president of your local cable provider and express your views. Write your congressman. Run for President of the US on the Archivist party ticket!

All these things may be just tilting at windmills but something tells me they may do more than just filing a complaint with the FCC!

All your points are valid, however if one would simply file a complaint with the FCC about their specific predicament, then it is likely THAT particular issue would be cleared up. I do agree however, that there is no active interest in enforcing these mandates, which are really not LAWS set in stone, but still are supposed to be abided by. You're right, without putting their profits in jeopardy, companies will do nothing for the consumer. There are very few companies out there (although some do exist, i've had GREAT experiences with certain companies) that still care about their customers and are willing to deal with lengthy customer support.

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If all else fails enlist border patrol agents and illegal aliens who like to archive also in your campaign. Maybe someone will listen then!

LOL
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Ask Howard Stern how fast the FCC responds.

Ask the FCC how many complaints they get about Howard Stern ...

Anyway, you can register a complaint about cable support of Firewire with the FCC here:
http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cib/fcc475.cfm

And you can submit any comments you wish about cable Firewire implementation here (Proceeding 97-80):
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

But ... I suppose it's easier to sit back and scream that someone, somewhere, other than yourself should be doing something ... without you doing anything. God bless America.
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dt_dc: If you were working at the FCC would you do all in your power to help me with a complaint? God bless you dt_dc!
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I had the opportunity to visit a Comcast customers house in the Bay Area and debug the 1394 connection from a Motorola DCT-6412 (running version 09.19 firmware) to a JVC 40K D-VHS deck. The customer had complained that the JVC 40K was unable to record (or even decode) any copy-one-generation 5C encrypted channel on the system. Copy-free channels were still working okay.

I hooked up a 1394 bus analyzer and took this trace.
Code:
Version 4.01, Copyright (c) 2000, Data Transit, All Rights Reserved.


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Date: 05/21/06, 03:24:14
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 000170 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.80 US
 000171 WR_REQ_BLOCK 400 FFC15110  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=14  RT=1  PRI=0  2.049 MS /* too late by 1.154 sec, JVC 40K sends REJECTED */
 000172 ASYNC        400 FFC3FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:03                      0.090 US
 000173 ASYNC        400 F0000D00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0D00       0.080 US
 000174 ASYNC        400 000C0000  04 LENGTH=000C EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.080 US
 000175 ASYNC        400 6A50352F  05                                  0.080 US
 000176 ASYNC        400 0AFF0F00  06                                  0.080 US
 000177 ASYNC        400 01040700  07                                  0.080 US
 000178 ASYNC        400 AC070068  08                                  0.080 US
 000179 ASYNC        400 6F921BBA  09                                  0.080 US
 000180 ACK          400       2D     ACK_PENDING                      0.640 US
 000181 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.80 US
 000182 WR_RESPONSE  400 FFC35020  01 DEST=3FF:03  TL=14  RT=0  PRI=0  495.6 US
 000183 ASYNC        400 FFC10000  02 SRC= 3FF:01 RCODE=RESP_COMPLETE  0.080 US
 000184 ASYNC        400 00000000  03                                  0.080 US
 000185 ASYNC        400 EC533F05  04 HEADER CRC                       0.080 US
 000186 ACK          400       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     1.160 US
 000187 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.78 US
 000188 WR_REQ_BLOCK 100 FFC15510  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=15  RT=1  PRI=0 1.835 SEC /* JVC 40K tries the key exchange again */
 000189 ASYNC        100 FFC3FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:03                      0.330 US /* JVC 40K sends STATUS message */
 000190 ASYNC        100 F0000B00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0B00       0.320 US
 000191 ASYNC        100 000C0000  04 LENGTH=000C EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.330 US
 000192 ASYNC        100 2BBE3C8C  05                                  0.320 US
 000193 ASYNC        100 01FF0F00  06                                  0.330 US
 000194 ASYNC        100 FFFFFFFF  07                                  0.330 US
 000195 ASYNC        100 FFFFFFFF  08                                  0.320 US
 000196 ASYNC        100 936DC0AA  09                                  0.330 US
 000197 ACK          100       2D     ACK_PENDING                      0.870 US
 000198 SUBACTN GAP  100                                               10.81 US
 000199 WR_RESPONSE  100 FFC35420  01 DEST=3FF:03  TL=15  RT=0  PRI=0  316.4 US
 000200 ASYNC        100 FFC10000  02 SRC= 3FF:01 RCODE=RESP_COMPLETE  0.330 US
 000201 ASYNC        100 00000000  03                                  0.320 US
 000202 ASYNC        100 E79385F7  04 HEADER CRC                       0.330 US
 000203 ACK          100       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     1.280 US
 000204 SUBACTN GAP  100                                               10.81 US
 000205 WR_REQ_BLOCK 400 FFC3DC10  01 DEST=3FF:03  TL=37  RT=0  PRI=0  747.2 US /* DCT-6412 responds to STATUS message okay */
 000206 ASYNC        400 FFC1FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:01                      0.080 US
 000207 ASYNC        400 F0000D00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0D00       0.080 US
 000208 ASYNC        400 000C0000  04 LENGTH=000C EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.080 US
 000209 ASYNC        400 2744ADBA  05                                  0.080 US
 000210 ASYNC        400 0CFF0F00  06                                  0.080 US
 000211 ASYNC        400 FF0607FF  07                                  0.090 US
 000212 ASYNC        400 FFF0FFF4  08                                  0.080 US
 000213 ASYNC        400 4D1F5F9F  09                                  0.080 US
 000214 ACK          400       2D     ACK_PENDING                      1.140 US
 000215 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.78 US
 000216 WR_RESPONSE  400 FFC1DD20  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=37  RT=1  PRI=0  209.8 US
 000217 ASYNC        400 FFC30000  02 SRC= 3FF:03 RCODE=RESP_COMPLETE  0.080 US
 000218 ASYNC        400 00000000  03                                  0.080 US
 000219 ASYNC        400 6562D1CA  04 HEADER CRC                       0.090 US
 000220 ACK          400       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     0.630 US
 000221 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.80 US
 000222 WR_REQ_BLOCK 100 FFC15910  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=16  RT=1  PRI=0  2.675 MS /* JVC 40K sends CHALLENGE */
 000223 ASYNC        100 FFC3FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:03                      0.330 US
 000224 ASYNC        100 F0000B00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0B00       0.320 US
 000225 ASYNC        100 00740000  04 LENGTH=0074 EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.330 US
 000226 ASYNC        100 58ED4A31  05                                  0.320 US
 000227 ASYNC        100 00FF0F00  06                                  0.330 US
 000228 ASYNC        100 01040701  07                                  0.330 US
 000229 ASYNC        100 AD0F0068  08                                  0.320 US
 000230 ASYNC        100 6D64AAD9  09                                  0.330 US
 000231 ASYNC        100 67114B5D  10                                  0.320 US
 000232 ASYNC        100 7CA1EB0F  11                                  0.330 US
 000233 ASYNC        100 5E9C1F6B  12                                  0.320 US
 000234 ASYNC        100 010000C0  13                                  0.330 US
 000235 ASYNC        100 00028287  14                                  0.320 US
 000236 ASYNC        100 8AA66534  15                                  0.330 US
 000237 ASYNC        100 E9FCA603  16                                  0.330 US
 000238 ASYNC        100 47623FC1  17                                  0.320 US
 000239 ASYNC        100 EDA9038F  18                                  0.330 US
 000240 ASYNC        100 C229F452  19                                  0.320 US
 000241 ASYNC        100 873EEEF8  20                                  0.330 US
 000242 ASYNC        100 7E96EBFE  21                                  0.320 US
 000243 ASYNC        100 A965D813  22                                  0.330 US
 000244 ASYNC        100 4E585147  23                                  0.320 US
 000245 ASYNC        100 AEF16F70  24                                  0.330 US
 000246 ASYNC        100 00A3D4FD  25                                  0.330 US
 000247 ASYNC        100 7ABE2E9E  26                                  0.320 US
 000248 ASYNC        100 6E547F65  27                                  0.330 US
 000249 ASYNC        100 F9C8CD11  28                                  0.320 US
 000250 ASYNC        100 2E825D8A  29                                  0.330 US
 000251 ASYNC        100 007FF841  30                                  0.320 US
 000252 ASYNC        100 5EFC17D4 >30                                  0.330 US
 000253 ASYNC        100 9EE2407D >30                                  0.320 US
 000254 ASYNC        100 7EEB5CD7 >30                                  0.330 US
 000255 ASYNC        100 740FA4DB >30                                  0.320 US
 000256 ASYNC        100 5A0A7EC1 >30                                  0.330 US
 000257 ACK          100       2D     ACK_PENDING                      0.880 US
 000258 SUBACTN GAP  100                                               10.80 US
 000259 WR_RESPONSE  100 FFC35820  01 DEST=3FF:03  TL=16  RT=0  PRI=0  557.7 US
 000260 ASYNC        100 FFC10000  02 SRC= 3FF:01 RCODE=RESP_COMPLETE  0.320 US
 000261 ASYNC        100 00000000  03                                  0.330 US
 000262 ASYNC        100 FBD24AE1  04 HEADER CRC                       0.320 US
 000263 ACK          100       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     1.290 US
 000264 SUBACTN GAP  100                                               10.80 US
 000265 WR_REQ_BLOCK 400 FFC3E010  01 DEST=3FF:03  TL=38  RT=0  PRI=0  735.8 US /* DCT-6412 responds okay */
 000266 ASYNC        400 FFC1FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:01                      0.080 US
 000267 ASYNC        400 F0000D00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0D00       0.090 US
 000268 ASYNC        400 000C0000  04 LENGTH=000C EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.080 US
 000269 ASYNC        400 BEEF693B  05                                  0.080 US
 000270 ASYNC        400 09FF0F00  06                                  0.080 US
 000271 ASYNC        400 01040701  07                                  0.080 US
 000272 ASYNC        400 AD000068  08                                  0.080 US
 000273 ASYNC        400 F7E2841F  09                                  0.080 US
 000274 ACK          400       2D     ACK_PENDING                      1.140 US
 000275 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.79 US
 000276 WR_RESPONSE  400 FFC1E120  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=38  RT=1  PRI=0  216.9 US
 000277 ASYNC        400 FFC30000  02 SRC= 3FF:03 RCODE=RESP_COMPLETE  0.090 US
 000278 ASYNC        400 00000000  03                                  0.080 US
 000279 ASYNC        400 08242284  04 HEADER CRC                       0.080 US
 000280 ACK          400       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     0.630 US
 000281 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.80 US
 000282 WR_REQ_BLOCK 100 FFC15D10  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=17  RT=1  PRI=0  988.8 MS /* one second goes by */
 000283 ASYNC        100 FFC3FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:03                      0.330 US /* JVC 40K 1 second timer expires */
 000284 ASYNC        100 F0000B00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0B00       0.320 US /* JVC 40K sends AKE_CANCEL */
 000285 ASYNC        100 000C0000  04 LENGTH=000C EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.330 US
 000286 ASYNC        100 1D8271EA  05                                  0.320 US
 000287 ASYNC        100 00FF0F00  06                                  0.330 US
 000288 ASYNC        100 C0040001  07                                  0.320 US
 000289 ASYNC        100 AD0F0000  08                                  0.330 US
 000290 ASYNC        100 93597878  09                                  0.330 US
 000291 ACK          100       2D     ACK_PENDING                      0.870 US
 000292 SUBACTN GAP  100                                               10.80 US
 000293 WR_RESPONSE  100 FFC35C20  01 DEST=3FF:03  TL=17  RT=0  PRI=0  419.2 US
 000294 ASYNC        100 FFC10000  02 SRC= 3FF:01 RCODE=RESP_COMPLETE  0.330 US
 000295 ASYNC        100 00000000  03                                  0.330 US
 000296 ASYNC        100 F012F013  04 HEADER CRC                       0.320 US
 000297 ACK          100       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     1.300 US
 000298 SUBACTN GAP  100                                               10.81 US
 000299 WR_REQ_BLOCK 400 FFC3E410  01 DEST=3FF:03  TL=39  RT=0  PRI=0  1.406 MS /* DCT-6412 accepts AKE_CANCEL */
 000300 ASYNC        400 FFC1FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:01                      0.080 US
 000301 ASYNC        400 F0000D00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0D00       0.080 US
 000302 ASYNC        400 000C0000  04 LENGTH=000C EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.080 US
 000303 ASYNC        400 A5F14F88  05                                  0.090 US
 000304 ASYNC        400 09FF0F00  06                                  0.080 US
 000305 ASYNC        400 C0040001  07                                  0.080 US
 000306 ASYNC        400 AD000000  08                                  0.080 US
 000307 ASYNC        400 A0D6A0E3  09                                  0.080 US
 000308 ACK          400       2D     ACK_PENDING                      1.140 US
 000309 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.80 US
 000310 WR_RESPONSE  400 FFC1E520  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=39  RT=1  PRI=0  237.1 US
 000311 ASYNC        400 FFC30000  02 SRC= 3FF:03 RCODE=RESP_COMPLETE  0.090 US
 000312 ASYNC        400 00000000  03                                  0.080 US
 000313 ASYNC        400 03E49876  04 HEADER CRC                       0.080 US
 000314 ACK          400       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     0.630 US
 000315 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.80 US
 000316 WR_REQ_BLOCK 400 FFC3E810  01 DEST=3FF:03  TL=3A  RT=0  PRI=0  260.3 MS /* after another 260 milliseconds */
 000317 ASYNC        400 FFC1FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:01                      0.080 US /* DCT-6412 sends CHALLENGE */
 000318 ASYNC        400 F0000B00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0B00       0.080 US
 000319 ASYNC        400 00740000  04 LENGTH=0074 EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.080 US
 000320 ASYNC        400 8C521625  05                                  0.080 US
 000321 ASYNC        400 00FF0F00  06                                  0.080 US
 000322 ASYNC        400 01040700  07                                  0.090 US
 000323 ASYNC        400 AD0F0068  08                                  0.080 US
 000324 ASYNC        400 01C8B8C4  09                                  0.080 US
 000325 ASYNC        400 3720D06A  10                                  0.080 US
 000326 ASYNC        400 05DF0BC1  11                                  0.080 US
 000327 ASYNC        400 77C85C07  12                                  0.080 US
 000328 ASYNC        400 01000014  13                                  0.080 US
 000329 ASYNC        400 00121C95  14                                  0.090 US
 000330 ASYNC        400 64A51D55  15                                  0.080 US
 000331 ASYNC        400 3405FD3B  16                                  0.080 US
 000332 ASYNC        400 B6258A76  17                                  0.080 US
 000333 ASYNC        400 44E675CD  18                                  0.080 US
 000334 ASYNC        400 7C7EB683  19                                  0.080 US
 000335 ASYNC        400 79342645  20                                  0.080 US
 000336 ASYNC        400 8FE44A37  21                                  0.090 US
 000337 ASYNC        400 AC279552  22                                  0.080 US
 000338 ASYNC        400 41EAF4FC  23                                  0.080 US
 000339 ASYNC        400 7212CC83  24                                  0.080 US
 000340 ASYNC        400 00D2B3DF  25                                  0.080 US
 000341 ASYNC        400 4C8D60EF  26                                  0.080 US
 000342 ASYNC        400 C356AF81  27                                  0.080 US
 000343 ASYNC        400 2C70C157  28                                  0.080 US
 000344 ASYNC        400 87433654  29                                  0.090 US
 000345 ASYNC        400 019AACBF  30                                  0.080 US
 000346 ASYNC        400 9E8E59E4 >30                                  0.080 US
 000347 ASYNC        400 0A813D60 >30                                  0.080 US
 000348 ASYNC        400 347E1416 >30                                  0.080 US
 000349 ASYNC        400 6C7E62FF >30                                  0.080 US
 000350 ASYNC        400 C457F3B1 >30                                  0.080 US
 000351 ACK          400       2D     ACK_PENDING                      1.160 US
 000352 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.81 US
 000353 WR_RESPONSE  400 FFC1E920  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=3A  RT=1  PRI=0  217.3 US
 000354 ASYNC        400 FFC30000  02 SRC= 3FF:03 RCODE=RESP_COMPLETE  0.090 US
 000355 ASYNC        400 00000000  03                                  0.080 US
 000356 ASYNC        400 1FA55760  04 HEADER CRC                       0.080 US
 000357 ACK          400       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     0.630 US
 000358 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.80 US
 000359 WR_REQ_BLOCK 400 FFC16110  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=18  RT=1  PRI=0  1.113 MS /* too late by 1.26 sec, JVC 40K sends REJECTED */
 000360 ASYNC        400 FFC3FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:03                      0.080 US
 000361 ASYNC        400 F0000D00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0D00       0.090 US
 000362 ASYNC        400 000C0000  04 LENGTH=000C EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.080 US
 000363 ASYNC        400 DED99A7B  05                                  0.080 US
 000364 ASYNC        400 0AFF0F00  06                                  0.080 US
 000365 ASYNC        400 01040700  07                                  0.080 US
 000366 ASYNC        400 AD070068  08                                  0.080 US
 000367 ASYNC        400 B3FF810D  09                                  0.080 US
 000368 ACK          400       2D     ACK_PENDING                      0.630 US
 000369 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.81 US
 000370 WR_RESPONSE  400 FFC36020  01 DEST=3FF:03  TL=18  RT=0  PRI=0  375.1 US
 000371 ASYNC        400 FFC10000  02 SRC= 3FF:01 RCODE=RESP_COMPLETE  0.080 US
 000372 ASYNC        400 00000000  03                                  0.080 US
 000373 ASYNC        400 9D54035D  04 HEADER CRC                       0.080 US
 000374 ACK          400       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     1.160 US
 000375 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.81 US
 000376 WR_REQ_BLOCK 100 FFC16510  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=19  RT=1  PRI=0 1.729 SEC /* JVC 40K tries the key exchange again */
 000377 ASYNC        100 FFC3FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:03                      0.330 US /* JVC 40K sends STATUS message */
 000378 ASYNC        100 F0000B00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0B00       0.320 US
 000379 ASYNC        100 000C0000  04 LENGTH=000C EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.330 US
 000380 ASYNC        100 9F3793D8  05                                  0.320 US
 000381 ASYNC        100 01FF0F00  06                                  0.330 US
 000382 ASYNC        100 FFFFFFFF  07                                  0.320 US
 000383 ASYNC        100 FFFFFFFF  08                                  0.330 US
 000384 ASYNC        100 936DC0AA  09                                  0.330 US
 000385 ACK          100       2D     ACK_PENDING                      0.870 US
 000386 SUBACTN GAP  100                                               10.81 US
 000387 WR_RESPONSE  100 FFC36420  01 DEST=3FF:03  TL=19  RT=0  PRI=0  353.0 US
 000388 ASYNC        100 FFC10000  02 SRC= 3FF:01 RCODE=RESP_COMPLETE  0.330 US
 000389 ASYNC        100 00000000  03                                  0.320 US
 000390 ASYNC        100 9694B9AF  04 HEADER CRC                       0.330 US
 000391 ACK          100       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     1.300 US
 000392 SUBACTN GAP  100                                               10.81 US
 000393 WR_REQ_BLOCK 400 FFC3EC10  01 DEST=3FF:03  TL=3B  RT=0  PRI=0  736.5 US /* DCT-6412 responds to STATUS message okay */
 000394 ASYNC        400 FFC1FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:01                      0.080 US
 000395 ASYNC        400 F0000D00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0D00       0.080 US
 000396 ASYNC        400 000C0000  04 LENGTH=000C EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.080 US
 000397 ASYNC        400 93CD02EE  05                                  0.080 US
 000398 ASYNC        400 0CFF0F00  06                                  0.080 US
 000399 ASYNC        400 FF0607FF  07                                  0.080 US
 000400 ASYNC        400 FFF0FFF4  08                                  0.090 US
 000401 ASYNC        400 4D1F5F9F  09                                  0.080 US
 000402 ACK          400       2D     ACK_PENDING                      1.160 US
 000403 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.78 US
 000404 WR_RESPONSE  400 FFC1ED20  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=3B  RT=1  PRI=0  280.2 US
 000405 ASYNC        400 FFC30000  02 SRC= 3FF:03 RCODE=RESP_COMPLETE  0.090 US
 000406 ASYNC        400 00000000  03                                  0.080 US
 000407 ASYNC        400 1465ED92  04 HEADER CRC                       0.080 US
 000408 ACK          400       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     0.630 US
 000409 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.78 US
 000410 WR_REQ_BLOCK 100 FFC16910  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=1A  RT=1  PRI=0  2.089 MS /* JVC 40K sends CHALLENGE */
 000411 ASYNC        100 FFC3FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:03                      0.320 US
 000412 ASYNC        100 F0000B00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0B00       0.330 US
 000413 ASYNC        100 00740000  04 LENGTH=0074 EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.320 US
 000414 ASYNC        100 EC64E565  05                                  0.330 US
 000415 ASYNC        100 00FF0F00  06                                  0.320 US
 000416 ASYNC        100 01040701  07                                  0.330 US
 000417 ASYNC        100 AE0F0068  08                                  0.320 US
 000418 ASYNC        100 1D3303FC  09                                  0.330 US
 000419 ASYNC        100 30A99AD2  10                                  0.330 US
 000420 ASYNC        100 FB54A807  11                                  0.320 US
 000421 ASYNC        100 AE27F716  12                                  0.330 US
 000422 ASYNC        100 010000C0  13                                  0.320 US
 000423 ASYNC        100 00028287  14                                  0.330 US
 000424 ASYNC        100 8AA66534  15                                  0.320 US
 000425 ASYNC        100 E9FCA603  16                                  0.330 US
 000426 ASYNC        100 47623FC1  17                                  0.320 US
 000427 ASYNC        100 EDA9038F  18                                  0.330 US
 000428 ASYNC        100 C229F452  19                                  0.330 US
 000429 ASYNC        100 873EEEF8  20                                  0.320 US
 000430 ASYNC        100 7E96EBFE  21                                  0.330 US
 000431 ASYNC        100 A965D813  22                                  0.320 US
 000432 ASYNC        100 4E585147  23                                  0.330 US
 000433 ASYNC        100 AEF16F70  24                                  0.320 US
 000434 ASYNC        100 00A3D4FD  25                                  0.330 US
 000435 ASYNC        100 7ABE2E9E  26                                  0.320 US
 000436 ASYNC        100 6E547F65  27                                  0.330 US
 000437 ASYNC        100 F9C8CD11  28                                  0.330 US
 000438 ASYNC        100 2E825D8A  29                                  0.320 US
 000439 ASYNC        100 007FF841  30                                  0.330 US
 000440 ASYNC        100 5EFC17D4 >30                                  0.320 US
 000441 ASYNC        100 9EE2407D >30                                  0.330 US
 000442 ASYNC        100 7EEB5CD7 >30                                  0.320 US
 000443 ASYNC        100 740FA4DB >30                                  0.330 US
 000444 ASYNC        100 5D151233 >30                                  0.320 US
 000445 ACK          100       2D     ACK_PENDING                      0.880 US
 000446 SUBACTN GAP  100                                               10.78 US
 000447 WR_RESPONSE  100 FFC36820  01 DEST=3FF:03  TL=1A  RT=0  PRI=0  334.0 US
 000448 ASYNC        100 FFC10000  02 SRC= 3FF:01 RCODE=RESP_COMPLETE  0.320 US
 000449 ASYNC        100 00000000  03                                  0.330 US
 000450 ASYNC        100 8AD576B9  04 HEADER CRC                       0.330 US
 000451 ACK          100       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     1.300 US
 000452 SUBACTN GAP  100                                               10.80 US
 000453 WR_REQ_BLOCK 400 FFC3F010  01 DEST=3FF:03  TL=3C  RT=0  PRI=0  720.8 US /* DCT-6412 responds okay */
 000454 ASYNC        400 FFC1FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:01                      0.080 US
 000455 ASYNC        400 F0000D00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0D00       0.080 US
 000456 ASYNC        400 000C0000  04 LENGTH=000C EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.080 US
 000457 ASYNC        400 D297F3F7  05                                  0.080 US
 000458 ASYNC        400 09FF0F00  06                                  0.080 US
 000459 ASYNC        400 01040701  07                                  0.090 US
 000460 ASYNC        400 AE000068  08                                  0.080 US
 000461 ASYNC        400 97953671  09                                  0.080 US
 000462 ACK          400       2D     ACK_PENDING                      1.140 US
 000463 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.80 US
 000464 WR_RESPONSE  400 FFC1F120  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=3C  RT=1  PRI=0  257.3 US
 000465 ASYNC        400 FFC30000  02 SRC= 3FF:03 RCODE=RESP_COMPLETE  0.080 US
 000466 ASYNC        400 00000000  03                                  0.080 US
 000467 ASYNC        400 2726C94C  04 HEADER CRC                       0.080 US
 000468 ACK          400       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     0.630 US
 000469 SUBACTN GAP  400                                               10.81 US
 000470 WR_REQ_BLOCK 100 FFC16D10  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=1B  RT=1  PRI=0  997.0 MS /* one second goes by */
 000471 ASYNC        100 FFC3FFFF  02 SRC= 3FF:03                      0.330 US /* JVC 40K 1 second timer expires */
 000472 ASYNC        100 F0000B00  03 DEST OFFSET=FFFF:F000:0B00       0.320 US /* JVC 40K sends AKE_CANCEL */
 000473 ASYNC        100 000C0000  04 LENGTH=000C EXT-TCOD=RESERVED    0.330 US
 000474 ASYNC        100 A90BDEBE  05                                  0.320 US
 000475 ASYNC        100 00FF0F00  06                                  0.330 US
 000476 ASYNC        100 C0040001  07                                  0.320 US
 000477 ASYNC        100 AE0F0000  08                                  0.330 US
 000478 ASYNC        100 F32ECA16  09                                  0.330 US
 000479 ACK          100       2D     ACK_PENDING                      0.870 US
 000480 SUBACTN GAP  100                                               10.79 US
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 000541 WR_RESPONSE  400 FFC1F920  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=3E  RT=1  PRI=0  198.9 US
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 000545 ACK          400       1E     ACK_COMPLETE                     0.630 US
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 000547 WR_REQ_BLOCK 400 FFC17110  01 DEST=3FF:01  TL=1C  RT=1  PRI=0  169.1 US /* too late by 1.144 sec, JVC 40K sends REJECTED */
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The DCT-6412 always causes the JVC 40K to timeout on the key exchange. Since the key exchange never completes, the JVC 40K cannot decrypt (and therefore, decode or record) the copy-one-generation streams being sent from the DCT-6412.

My guess is that for this version of firmware, the priority of the 1394 task was reduced to solve some other performance problem.

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Comcast (Eatontown,NJ) reports a firmware update to their 8300 stb (SARA) that activates the firewire port as of today 23 May

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As amazing as this might seem, this is the perfect documentation to present the FCC with.

I can record to a DVHS (any of the JVC models or the Mitsubishi Models) via IEEE 1394 via my SA3250.

Recording via the SA8300HD is impossible. It records for 30 seconds, then flashes CP and then shuts down.

The big cable company (in a Top 12 Market) was stumped and said the SARA controlled SA3250HD (non-DVR) and SA-8300HD (DVR) had identical 5c settings.

There problem was they did not have a DVHS to test the system with.

I loaned them one of my many Mitsubishi 2000s. That was 6 months ago.

Let me repeat....that was 6 months ago. THEY HAVE HAD MY DVHS FOR 6 MONTHS FOR TESTING.

I continue to follow up each month and I know they have contacted SA multiple times, but thus far NO RESOLUTION.

If this is not the poster child for the lack of IEEE 1394 support.

I have complete documentation including names and dates from their emails.

The requirement was IEEE 1394 was supposed to be working in April of 2004.

2 years later and 6 months of equipment loan, they still cannot get it working correctly - and they put the fault with SA - who they have been working with?

Again, this is the case to show the FCC how ridiculous this whole thing is.
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As amazing as this might seem, this is the perfect documentation to present the FCC with.

I can record to a DVHS (any of the JVC models or the Mitsubishi Models) via IEEE 1394 via my SA3250.

Recording via the SA8300HD is impossible. It records for 30 seconds, then flashes CP and then shuts down.

The big cable company (in a Top 12 Market) was stumped and said the SARA controlled SA3250HD (non-DVR) and SA-8300HD (DVR) had identical 5c settings.

There problem was they did not have a DVHS to test the system with.

I loaned them one of my many Mitsubishi 2000s. That was 6 months ago.

Let me repeat....that was 6 months ago. THEY HAVE HAD MY DVHS FOR 6 MONTHS FOR TESTING.

I continue to follow up each month and I know they have contacted SA multiple times, but thus far NO RESOLUTION.

If this is not the poster child for the lack of IEEE 1394 support.

I have complete documentation including names and dates from their emails.

The requirement was IEEE 1394 was supposed to be working in April of 2004.

2 years later and 6 months of equipment loan, they still cannot get it working correctly - and they put the fault with SA - who they have been working with?

Again, this is the case to show the FCC how ridiculous this whole thing is.

Ridiculous, yes, but illegal, no. You voluntarily lent them your DVHS deck, and as you have clearly stated, they HAVE and CAN provide you with an HD STB with enabled and functional firewire ports, which is all they are required to do by law. Although it would be GREAT and EXTREMELY convenient for your HD DVR to have functioning firewire ports, they "technically" don't have to provide this.

I agree though, the FCC should more widely enforce the "all new HD STB's (purchased by the cable companies after a certain date) must have firewire" much more strictly. With firewire in general, cable companies are usually clueless.....................what a bummer for us users who like to archive our HD content....................functionality is coming though, once the technology is outdated it will work fine, that's how it always turns out. By the time they have it mastered, there's something new to learn. We've had it down for a few years, but they are stubborn and refuse to convert and change their ways................
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The intent of the law is clear.

They did not require IEEE 1394 ports and DVI/HDMI ports on all Digital STBs after 6/30/2005 because they wanted them as decoration pieces.
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The intent of the law is clear.

They did not require IEEE 1394 ports and DVI/HDMI ports on all Digital STBs after 6/30/2005 because they wanted them as decoration pieces.

No, but you can't interpret the law by what they "meant." The law can be enforced only as it appears in official documentation, not what was discussed by those who passed it.
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The intent of the law is clear.

They did not require IEEE 1394 ports and DVI/HDMI ports on all Digital STBs after 6/30/2005 because they wanted them as decoration pieces.

I agree. The argument that required 1394 ports are not necessarily required to be functioning doesn't even pass the laugh test.

Courts often look at the intent of the law, or regulation in this case. In any event, the FCC can always adopt a new reg if a court finds differently.

I doubt any cable company would bother arguing this point -- its easier just to comply (have SA update the firmware!) rather than spend the money to litigate it only to have the fcc modify the reg.
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I agree. The argument that required 1394 ports are not necessarily required to be functioning doesn't even pass the laugh test.

Courts often look at the intent of the law, or regulation in this case. In any event, the FCC can always adopt a new reg if a court finds differently.

I doubt any cable company would bother arguing this point -- its easier just to comply (have SA update the firmware!) rather than spend the money to litigate it only to have the fcc modify the reg.

HDTVFanAtic was replying to MY statement, which had nothing to do with supplied firewire ports being functional, because i agree with you on this issue, if firewire is there and the box supports it, IT SHOULD FUNCTION, period. If you had read my statement, you would know that i was referring to the fact that they ARE NOT obligated to supply consumers with a firewire enabled DVR or a specific STB with firewire, but ANY HD STB with firewire (which SHOULD BE FUNCTIONAL). In other words, if you have a 6412 without firewire and you want firewire functionality, the cable company does not have to give you another 6412 with active firewire, the law simply states they need to give you A box with firewire, so you may very well get a non DVR 6200.
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There are two regs -- the reg requiring the CC to provide a firewire enabled box to the consumer and the reg requiring all boxes purchased by the cable company after 6/30/05 include a firewire port.

For the latter reg, clearly TWC has been purchasing the 8300HD box after the effective date of the reg. These boxes do not have functional firewire ports as everyone here has posted. TWC is in violation.
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There are two regs -- the reg requiring the CC to provide a firewire enabled box to the consumer and the reg requiring all boxes purchased by the cable company after 6/30/05 include a firewire port.

For the latter reg, clearly TWC has been purchasing the 8300HD box after the effective date of the reg. These boxes do not have functional firewire ports as everyone here has posted. TWC is in violation.

I know about the second regulation, however, your assertion as to when the boxes were purchased is PURE speculation. While it is definately possible, these boxes were being produced WELL before the cutoff date, so there's no way to tell unless you dig into the situation. You can't just say, well it looks new, so they're violating the law. It doesn't work that way. Perhaps you should look for a manufacturer date code or something of that nature on the box itself so you will have proof that they did indeed violate the FCC mandate. I'm sure you could also, through the proper channels, find out when the cable company purchased your batch of DVR's.
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I know about the second regulation, however, your assertion as to when the boxes were purchased is PURE speculation. While it is definately possible, these boxes were being produced WELL before the cutoff date, so there's no way to tell unless you dig into the situation. You can't just say, well it looks new, so they're violating the law. It doesn't work that way. Perhaps you should look for a manufacturer date code or something of that nature on the box itself so you will have proof that they did indeed violate the FCC mandate. I'm sure you could also, through the proper channels, find out when the cable company purchased your batch of DVR's.


Here we are sitting almost one year later and you're telling me its speculation that new boxes have not been purchased since that time? Come on.

The bottom line is the newest version of firmware for the 8300HD does not include fully functional support for firewire. The newest firmware has been applied to 8300HD boxes regardless of the manufacter date.

And yes, I had verified with TWC that my 8300HD was purchased by TWC after the cutoff date. Before the cutoff date, my local TWC was purchasing 8300HDs without a firewire port. After the cutoff date, all the boxes they purchased had them.
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Here we are sitting almost one year later and you're telling me its speculation that new boxes have not been purchased since that time? Come on.

The bottom line is the newest version of firmware for the 8300HD does not include fully functional support for firewire. The newest firmware has been applied to 8300HD boxes regardless of the manufacter date.

And yes, I had verified with TWC that my 8300HD was purchased by TWC after the cutoff date. Before the cutoff date, my local TWC was purchasing 8300HDs without a firewire port. After the cutoff date, all the boxes they purchased had them.

In that case, TWC should be reported to the FCC, although you may not get results as these things are difficult to enforce.
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In some cases, yes, but if you can find the correct channels at the FCC and you complain loud enough, you will be surprised what you can get accomplished.
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Guys, I am unclear about the purpose of 5c. Was 5c implimented to completely prevent the recording and streaming via firewire?
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Guys, I am unclear about the purpose of 5c. Was 5c implimented to completely prevent the recording and streaming via firewire?

Almost - "5C was implemented to prevent the unauthorized recording and streaming via firewire." You must have a device that properly implements the controls specified by DTCP (is that the right spec or entity?) in order to properly record, stream, or display via firewire. As of today, a PC does not qualify.

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Almost - "5C was implemented to prevent the unauthorized recording and streaming via firewire." You must have a device that properly implements the controls specified by DTCP (is that the right spec or entity?) in order to properly record, stream, or display via firewire. As of today, a PC does not qualify.

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And Software canot fix this? This is really obnixious
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And Software canot fix this? This is really obnixious


You mean software cannot crack this?

Would not be very good content control if that was the case.
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You mean software cannot crack this?

Would not be very good content control if that was the case.

Well look what happened to dvds.
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