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spiff72 09-12-2006 12:56 PM

I don't know if I can really start an "official" thread, but I don't see one here yet.

I have ordered mine direct from TiVo, with free standard shipping. If they had been shipping same day, I would have sprung for the overnight, but since they are telling me it probably won't ship until Thursday, I cheaped out.

I was just wondering if anyone has ordered theirs yet, and when they told you it will ship...

And who is going to get the first tracking number?!?

GetGray 09-12-2006 01:16 PM

Just ordered mine from CC. Note: Through 9/30, if you navigate to them from this site:

http://dealmac.com/deals/Circuit-Cit...=rss_dealmac_7
(or any affiliate site)
You get 10% off. I did it, was skeptical, worked. $80 off on line order.

May belong in great found deals, no time....

spiff72 09-12-2006 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GetGray View Post

Just ordered mine from CC. Note: Through 9/30, if you navigate to them from this site:

http://dealmac.com/deals/Circuit-Cit...=rss_dealmac_7
(or any affiliate site)
You get 10% off. I did it, was skeptical, worked. $80 off on line order.

May belong in great found deals, no time....

Did you get a ship date? Is it available for immediate shipping?

Keenan 09-12-2006 01:37 PM

Ordered one direct from TiVo early this morning, if it ships Thursday I'll have it Friday.

bierboy 09-12-2006 02:12 PM

Ordered mine from CC -- shipped this afternoon -- FedEx says I should get it Friday.

GetGray 09-12-2006 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by spiff72 View Post

Did you get a ship date?

Order status page says: Estimated ship date: 09/14/2006. BB also had them this AM (sans 10% off coupoun) but later in the day they were not on the site anymore. I presume they sold out.

I can't wait for mine to get here. Now I just have to mess with getting a lifetime gift card applied to it. Then that POS Motorola/Comcast HD DVR won't be able to come off my rack fast enough.

Gotta find an OTA antenna. Not to get too far off topic but anyone have a recommendation on a good one? (no snake oil).

silentbob1974 09-12-2006 02:56 PM

A couple of (potentially dumb) questions:

1) TiVo sent me an e-mail saying that if I bought the Series 3 now, for $199 I can transfer the lifetime service on my current non-HD Series 2 to the new unit. This offer applies only if I order directly from TiVo and not, say, Circuit City or elsewhere right? Am I really going to find a better price elsewhere than $800? $199 for lifetime service on the new unit when such a subscription option isn't offered anymore seems like a really good deal.

2) Are the necessary CableCARDs going into the TiVo unit only? If so, does that mean that my HDTV (an NEC) need not CableCARD-compatible (i.e., have slots for the card) itself?

dssturbo1 09-12-2006 03:02 PM

Good work Getgray, the 10% off coupon worked for me, total $782 with tax and one day shipping supposed to be here Thursday.

yes, silentbob the S3 has two cablecard slots.

dssturbo1 09-12-2006 03:09 PM

depends on your area GG. have you checked antennaweb.org to see what stations and direction distance you are from towers.

warren electronics has a good range of antennas. the channel master 4228 usually gets great reviews. I use a old style looking rca large outside uhf/vhf bought it at home depot for $60, and 3x 5 ft poles to put it 15ft in the air. i am 25 miles from my towers and get good solid reception.

GetGray 09-12-2006 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dssturbo1 View Post

depends on your area GG. have you checked antennaweb.org to see what stations and direction distance you are from towers.

warren electronics has a good range of antennas. the channel master 4228 usually gets great reviews. I use a old style looking rca large outside uhf/vhf bought it at home depot for $60, and 3x 5 ft poles to put it 15ft in the air. i am 25 miles from my towers and get good solid reception.

Thanks. I had not looked but have now. Of the stations marked "DT" ( I presume those are the HD channels), all but one requred the lowest antenna (yellow); the other one had red. All of the are basically at the same angle. Most are are about 7 miles, a couple at 21 miles. I'd like to put my antenna in my huge, empty attic.

JFKLS1 09-12-2006 03:41 PM

Just ordered mine from CC. $768 total. It says 9-14-06 as ship date. I hope that means shipped to me. Man I can't wait. With this and my HDD-250 I will be able to record 3 HD channels at the same time. Hot diggity. I will post back after tryin it out.

dssturbo1 09-12-2006 04:38 PM

GG, at 7 miles most any antenna should work and if in the same direction at 21 probably will too. attics usually work fine too. (just with ota there are always variables), hills, trees, other houses/buildings etc..

do you check to see if you have any uhf digital stations? most use vhf but also remember some may revert back to vhf in a few years. you can always start with a small antenna in the attic from radio shack or home depot or lowes and if that doesnt work try a larger one. with those local sources it is easy to return if it doesn't work.

if you can't find an antenna locally try warrenelectronics.com or starkelectronics.com. i've used warren a couple times and they have good prices and shipped fast.

some UHF only like the Channel master 4228 will also pick up channels in the upper vhf range 7-13.

spiff72 09-12-2006 04:57 PM

I just ordered one from CC too with the coupon code. Nice find, GetGray.

I am on the phone (on hold) to cancel the order from TiVo.com. I got a ship date of 9/13 with arrival on the 14th since I sprung for express shipping.

If CC changes this date I am going to be super-pi$$ed!

I have an HDD-250 as well, and I don't intend to stop using it, either...

Chip Chanko 09-12-2006 06:05 PM

HDD-250 I thought I'd get at CC was $339 (couldn't talk them down lower than that and $200 was my cut-off) so i'm gonna roll w/ the Tivo instead. Coupon worked for me, too.

skitime2 09-12-2006 08:11 PM

Does anyone know if the Tivo wireless network adapter works with the series 3? I plan on using it with the Airport extreme, should be a good set-up I hope!

bfdtv 09-12-2006 09:28 PM

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Does anyone know if the Tivo wireless network adapter works with the series 3?

Yes, it does.

That said, you'd probably get better network performance by using a 100mbps ethernet -> wireless bridge or an ethernet -> wireless gaming adapter. One example of a wireless bridge would be Apple's Airport Express.

Cheaper alternatives are available if you don't care whether it's from Apple.

The extra performance wouldn't really make a difference now, but it would if/when Tivo releases updated software with TivoToGo and MRV support.

Bear5k 09-12-2006 09:51 PM

Thanks Scott! I'm in at <$800 and can finally use my lifetime card to good effect.

MissOtis 09-12-2006 10:05 PM

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[ TiVo sent me an e-mail saying that if I bought the Series 3 now, for $199 I can transfer the lifetime service on my current non-HD Series 2 to the new unit. This offer applies only if I order directly from TiVo and not, say, Circuit City or elsewhere right?]

From the Tivo thread I read this morning, that's correct. It has to be purchased directly from Tivo.

I'm waiting until I hear some reviews - at $800 plus $199...damn. It better be great - but I would like the dual tuners.

bfdtv 09-12-2006 10:57 PM

Hold out a few weeks for the dot.com vendors like Amazon.com and Buy.com to sell 'em for $600-$650.

At a wholesale price of $500, there is certainly some room for differentiated pricing, assuming Tivo doesn't set MRP.

srothkin 09-13-2006 06:50 AM

I noticed it only has 32 hours of HD storage and no mention of any ability to add additional hard drives. Plus it says the eSata port is "reserved for future use".

What's the chance of TIVO offering larger internal hard drive sizes in the near future?

If I buy it now and they later enable either the eSata or USB ports for expanding storage, will that be a software upgrade that I can download (or that gets automatically pushed to the box) or will I need to replace the whole box?

jmj12 09-13-2006 06:55 AM

Does the series 3 have two live buffers, and if so how many minutes do they allow?

Thanks,
Jim

bierboy 09-13-2006 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by srothkin View Post

I noticed it only has 32 hours of HD storage and no mention of any ability to add additional hard drives. Plus it says the eSata port is "reserved for future use".

What's the chance of TIVO offering larger internal hard drive sizes in the near future?

If I buy it now and they later enable either the eSata or USB ports for expanding storage, will that be a software upgrade that I can download (or that gets automatically pushed to the box) or will I need to replace the whole box?

From the information in TCF, the eSATA port could be enabled through a software update. And, initially, it was thought the internal drive would be IDE. But it's a SATA drive, which, in theory, could be replaced (upgraded). TiVo's plan all along (and it was shown at CES 2006) has been to allow adding an external SATA (eSATA) drive to increase storage. An external drive was on display at CES this year.

spiff72 09-13-2006 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by srothkin View Post

I noticed it only has 32 hours of HD storage and no mention of any ability to add additional hard drives. Plus it says the eSata port is "reserved for future use".

What's the chance of TIVO offering larger internal hard drive sizes in the near future?

If I buy it now and they later enable either the eSata or USB ports for expanding storage, will that be a software upgrade that I can download (or that gets automatically pushed to the box) or will I need to replace the whole box?

It has been widely reported that the unit will support eSATA drives, but it seems that it wasn't ready for initial launch. It should just be a software upgrade when (or if) it becomes available. (This is all just my own speculation, though).

bierboy 09-13-2006 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jmj12 View Post

Does the series 3 have two live buffers, and if so how many minutes do they allow?

Thanks,
Jim

Yes, 30 minutes for both.
There's an S3 FAQ here.

spiff72 09-13-2006 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bierboy View Post

But it's a SATA drive, which, in theory, could be replaced (upgraded).

Probably not by the user, though... TiVo usually requires the drive to be "blessed", and this would probably need to be done for an "upgrade" to work. It is possible that a third party may do this in the future (like weaknees.com), or make it possible for DIY'ers. I suspect that TiVo might have stronger DRM/encryption than the previous models to protect the HD content, though.

bierboy 09-13-2006 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by spiff72 View Post

Probably not by the user, though... TiVo usually requires the drive to be "blessed", and this would probably need to be done for an "upgrade" to work. It is possible that a third party may do this in the future (like weaknees.com), or make it possible for DIY'ers. I suspect that TiVo might have stronger DRM/encryption than the previous models to protect the HD content, though.

Certainly it's all speculation at this point. I believe that TiVo's intent in providing the eSATA port was to discourage users from replacing the internal HD. Fact is, it would be a much wiser investment (when the port is enabled) to buy an eSATA enclosure and drop an internal SATA drive in it. You could double the S3's storage for under $100. And I'd be much more comfortable doing that than swapping out the internal HD. I've swapped out/installed many internal hard drives, so I'm not a novice. But TiVo is making it easier to increase storage (hopefully when, and not if, they enable the eSATA port).

spiff72 09-13-2006 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bierboy View Post

Certainly it's all speculation at this point. I believe that TiVo's intent in providing the eSATA port was to discourage users from replacing the internal HD. Fact is, it would be a much wiser investment (when the port is enabled) to buy an eSATA enclosure and drop an internal SATA drive in it. You could double the S3's storage for under $100. And I'd be much more comfortable doing that than swapping out the internal HD. I've swapped out/installed many internal hard drives, so I'm not a novice. But TiVo is making it easier to increase storage (hopefully when, and not if, they enable the eSATA port).

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the external drive, once you put it into place will need to stay attached, since it can use both drives (in other words, the internal drive won't fill first).

bierboy 09-13-2006 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by spiff72 View Post

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the external drive, once you put it into place will need to stay attached, since it can use both drives (in other words, the internal drive won't fill first).

Spiff, I believe that's true (operationally). I believe you can disconnect it, but certainly would have to reconnect for the TiVo to function properly. I don't believe disconnecting it would "damage" anything. I'm stating this from memory (can't find the info right now on TCF).

PhillyC 09-13-2006 09:10 AM

A recorded program can exist across both the internal and external drives. Someone wrote that removing the external drive would cause such a program to vanish from the recorded programs list.

spiff72 09-13-2006 09:27 AM

I got an email from Circuit City this morning saying that my order was ready to ship, but I haven't seen a tracking number email yet...

This might be a good sign that they really do have them in inventory! I might just call my cableco back and re-re-schedule for Friday if they have an opening for a triple cablecard install.

I wasn't able to cancel my TiVo.com order, so I am going to have to refuse delivery (this will be tricky, since I had it shipped to my office).


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