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post #271 of 297 Old 03-03-2010, 08:34 PM
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TiVo had a very difficult time creating a Java version of its software that could run with adequate performance on top of the middleware used by Comcast on its Motorola systems. It is not feasible for TiVo to write a "portable" version of their software for every middleware platform. The platforms aren't engineered that way, which is the main reason for the creation of tru2way/OCAP; OCAP was supposed to provide a common middleware platform that all systems could support, thus providing for some means of code portability. Unfortunately for TiVO, tru2way and OCAP were tailored for the software needs of cable companies, and not third-parties.

Don't you think it's likely though that TiVo designed the new software to work with tru2way and OCAP, even if it wasn't tailored to their needs? From Comcast's reaction above, it would seem pretty foolish if they didn't since they seemed to pounce on TiVo as soon as it was announced.
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Moderators Note:

Should I start a new topic for Premier?

Yes
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oh man..... just looked at the discounts. $239 for Premiere, $399 for XL........ after all this, I still might consider it...... of course I'd feel like a heel.

ugh.

if I did I'd give my parents the TivoHD in the living room, or sell it and just break pretty even.
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oh man..... just looked at the discounts. $239 for Premiere, $399 for XL........

Where are you seeing these discounted prices??

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Where are you seeing these discounted prices??

Did you click this link?
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Moderators Note:

Should I start a new topic for Premier?

Keep this one, but rename it as I asked. I asked it to be changed from Series 4 "UnOfficial" to Series 4 "Official", since apparently TiVo is still using that name. However, I would not object to have it renamed to TiVo Premiere Official (or something similar to that).

Note: I'm the guy who started this thread, so I think the history should be kept to allow someone new to follow and/or review the speculation and questioning that's been going on since December 2007.

I will leave the decision up to the moderators.
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Keep this one, but rename it as I asked. I asked it to be changed from Series 4 "UnOfficial" to Series 4 "Official", since apparently TiVo is still using that name. However, I would not object to have it renamed to TiVo Premiere Official (or something similar to that).

This thread isn't particularly helpful for those seeking information on the Premiere.

By the end of the month, I expect to have a Premiere FAQ similar to the TivoHD FAQ linked in my signature.
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This thread isn't particularly helpful for those seeking information on the Premiere.

By the end of the month, I expect to have a Premiere FAQ similar to the TivoHD FAQ linked in my signature.

I saw the FAQ thread and it's nice, but this was always meant as a discussion (and speculation as well, since there was no 'Series 4' box out there) thread. There are less than 300 entries in it - I don't think it's too difficult to peruse through should it be kept.

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this thread isn't particularly helpful for those seeking information on the premiere.

By the end of the month, i expect to have a premiere faq similar to the tivohd faq linked in my signature.

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Did you click this link?

Yep, I am getting that same price as an existing tivo customer, the funny thing is I am eligible to get $100 off a lifetime service or $100 the Premiere XL but not both. I have tried but it seems if you get one discount then you are not eligible for the other.

Anyone getting both, I'd like to hear about it.
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If I understand correctly you get one discount or the other but not both.
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What a great thread.
I actually paused the laserdisc player running "The King and I" to read the entire thread. (Read ironic here)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...9&postcount=17

Imagine a Tivo Premiere that can copy to a PC so much faster than the Tivo HD which takes 1.5 hours for a 1 hour HD show, even with the bfdtv suggestion to set the Tivo to 'not received' channels

Well, not really, since TWC San Diego has the 'no copy flag' set for just about everything. Only my OTA channels can be copied.

Of course there is always the Haupauge box to circumvent that situation. Component in to USB out.

Decisions, decisions.

But please keep up the posts, it is more exciting to read these than watch the trash on TV.

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Did you click this link?

How do they determine what to offer you?

I currently own a Series 3 with lifetime service. I have another older one but it's not in service.

The offer I see is 50% off the lifetime service on a new XL. That's it. I don't see any hardware discounts.

The thing is, I'd like to get one but if I did then I don't need my Series 3. If they would let me transfer my existing lifetime service and maybe a little hardware discount I'd bite.

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You still have to buy the box for $299. I'd never buy lifetime on a product that is such a volatle technology, plus being tied to an actual physical piece of hardware that can die at any time.

But at $200 for the lifetime how can you lose?

I've had a lifetime contract on my TiVo boxes since my original Sony Series 1. When S3 came out they let me transfer it over for like $100. Also, I think lifetime was waaaay cheaper back when I got it. Anyways it's been great.

So you spend $200 on lifetime now. Even considering the discounted monthly ~$10 your break even point is barely over a year and a half. Everything after that is gravy.
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Ken, thanks for the Tivo on Comcast update. I'll believe this one when I see it...
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Where are you seeing these discounted prices??

Fat*allet is offering:
# $37.50 Cash Back on TiVo Premiere DVR
# $50 Cash Back on TiVo Premiere XL DVR

I placed an order for the Premiere XL DVR yesterday, after signing up for a free account at Fat*allet and received notification today from them for my $50 cashback on my $399 purchase. I was eligible for the 20% TiVo discount offered to present subscribers. This brings the Premiere XL price down to $350 (plus tax).

Just too good to pass up!
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One item in the new Series 4 that I like, and I don't see discussed in this thread, is the new dual core processor that significantly increases the speed of the Series 4 over previous versions.

There are other minor improvements that I would like, but the faster processor would be a reason for me to upgrade from my Tivo HD.
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if they take advantage of it.
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I'm taking my series 4 back. I like me series 3 better.
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I'm taking my series 4 back. I like me series 3 better.

What does your Series 3 offer that the Premiere doesn't?
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What does your Series 3 offer that the Premiere doesn't?

Oled display. Front panel buttons. More outputs on back (including S-video).
THX certification (available on Premiere XL). More sensitive tuners. No restriction on external expansion drive.
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One item in the new Series 4 that I like, and I don't see discussed in this thread, is the new dual core processor that significantly increases the speed of the Series 4 over previous versions.

There are other minor improvements that I would like, but the faster processor would be a reason for me to upgrade from my Tivo HD.

Has TiVo even activated the second core yet?
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Has TiVo even activated the second core yet?

pretty sure no. But the 14.5 software is faster, and I "hear" the beta software is even faster than that.
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I didn't think so, thanks.
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pretty sure no. But the 14.5 software is faster, and I "hear" the beta software is even faster than that.

NO!?! That's like having a Ferrari and running it on cheap gas on only half the cylinders...

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Pretty sure it's not as simple as all that. It is much faster lately though, enough that I left it in the HD UI
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