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ding ding ding

World War Z series with the quality of production and writing of something like Boardwalk Empire. Whoa.....

Yeah, I keep waiting for HBO, which has such a healthy balance sheet that they measure their profits in the billions, to take a serious foray into serious science fiction (no, GoT doesn't count - that's fantasy fiction, a different genre). Showtime tried it early on with 'Stargate: SG1' and 'Odyssey 5', perhaps as a way to separate them from HBO, but soon abandoned that approach in favor of more pedestrian fare.

I don't understand it. The niche for thought-provoking, serious sci-fi is wide open. If they want to increase their subscriber base in a significant fashion in this day and age where budget-challenged cablenets like AMC and FX are doing the stuff HBO has traditionally done just as well, it would seem that's one way to do it.
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Yeah, I keep waiting for HBO, which has such a healthy balance sheet that they measure their profits in the billions, to take a serious foray into serious science fiction (no, GoT doesn't count - that's fantasy fiction, a different genre). Showtime tried it early on with 'Stargate: SG1' and 'Odyssey 5', perhaps as a way to separate them from HBO, but soon abandoned that approach in favor of more pedestrian fare.

I don't understand it. The niche for thought-provoking, serious sci-fi is wide open. If they want to increase their subscriber base in a significant fashion in this day and age where budget-challenged cablenets like AMC and FX are doing the stuff HBO has traditionally done just as well, it would seem that's one way to do it.
There are a number off great sci-fi franchises out there that could work well.
Frank Herbert's Dune series, for example.

I think a lot of it is there is a certain amount of fear among the suits regarding big-time sci-fi on the boob tube.
For one thing, to do it right, the production costs are considerably higher than normal.
For another, it takes someone with a lot of talent to make it all work (financially and creatively) and those folks are kinda rare.
Someone with those types of skills are more likely to be in filmmaking, rather doing stuff for the small screen.

Fear and rarity work against the willingness of producers/networks to take a gamble on this genre.

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ding ding ding

World War Z series with the quality of production and writing of something like Boardwalk Empire. Whoa.....

You could even go the "different director for each episode" route like Masters of Horror given the vignette style of the book. Sure some would be weaker than others but it could work.
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Watched a 2D presentation today....4 1/2 stars IMO.

This is one of the best Z movies ever, Edge-of-my-Seat experience.

Kudos to Marc Forster....job well done, Sir.smile.gif

BP was excellent (as always).

My only reservation is the Hollywood Ending.
I would love to see the original, before the re-filming.wink.gif

For those of us who have read the book, we know a trilogy can be done with what's left from the original material (and hopefully with the same folks involved).

One of this year's Best Flicks.....more, please.cool.gif

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Heaven forbid there is not an oils well that ends well ending. I haven't seen the movie, just guessing, but it is PG-13.

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Regarding the "controversial" PG-13 rating....

I didn't find it a barrier to getting wrapped up in this movie at all.
There is PLENTY of Z-violence, without the usual throwing of entrails at the camera.
To say this movie doesn't work because there isn't enough close-ups of blood&guts is simply ridiculous.

The tension and suspense is non-stop IMO and well worth a watch by Horror Hounds.wink.gif

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Regarding the "controversial" PG-13 rating....

I didn't find it a barrier to getting wrapped up in this movie at all.
There is PLENTY of Z-violence, without the usual throwing of entrails at the camera.
To say this movie doesn't work because there isn't enough close-ups of blood&guts is simply ridiculous.

The tension and suspense is non-stop IMO and well worth a watch by Horror Hounds.wink.gif

Yeah, it was ok. But a zombie movie by definition needs to be bloody. Perhaps on the BD release we'll get our blood. Hey, CGI blood is better than no blood. wink.gif

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But a zombie movie by definition needs to be bloody.
That's like saying a Romantic Drama needs to show penetration....tongue.gif

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That's like saying a Romantic Drama needs to show penetration....tongue.gif

I'd watch more of them if they did.biggrin.gif

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I'd watch more of them if they did.biggrin.gif
Well, yeah, who wouldn't?wink.gif

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Yeah, it was ok. But a zombie movie by definition needs to be bloody. Perhaps on the BD release we'll get our blood. Hey, CGI blood is better than no blood. wink.gif

*sigh* Yes, I know it's not a zombie movie but...how far we've fallen since Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho." wink.gif

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saw it over holiday. fun entertaining light fare.

had nothing in common with book other than title and reference to israel

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I still am having a hard time believing this is my second favorite film of the summer (Man of Steel being an easy #1). Everything else has disappointed me.

Next Tuesday I'll see PACIFIC RIM and hope to be impressed by a film that is now looking to be a huge financial disaster for Legendary Pictures (tracking is abysmal, despite positive reviews). Lucas and Spielberg's prediction is coming true far faster than any could imagine. So many big budget films are taking this Summer its freaky.

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I still am having a hard time believing this is my second favorite film of the summer (Man of Steel being an easy #1). Everything else has disappointed me.

Next Tuesday I'll see PACIFIC RIM and hope to be impressed by a film that is now looking to be a huge financial disaster for Legendary Pictures (tracking is abysmal, despite positive reviews). Lucas and Spielberg's prediction is coming true far faster than any could imagine. So many big budget films are taking this Summer its freaky.

don't recall lucas/speilberg prediction.

can you elaborate?

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don't recall lucas/speilberg prediction.

Lucas and Speilberg predicted that several big budgeted movies failing in quick succession (like five or six) could lead to a drastic situation in Hollywood. With the recent emphasis on franchise-based properties and bloated budgeted films, it's not a farfetched scenario.

So after several blockbusters crash and burn, one or more major studios could go out of business, most small/medium budget films will be released online or on television and not in the theater. The studios that survive would adopt a "Broadway" approach to the movies that actually make it into theaters, where the ticket prices go up dramatically, fewer films overall, and they stay in the theater for longer periods.

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/13/lucas-and-spielberg-predict-massive-implosion-of-hollywood-caused-by-tech-industry/

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Lucas and Speilberg predicted that several big budgeted movies failing in quick succession (like five or six) could lead to a drastic situation in Hollywood. With the recent emphasis on franchise-based properties and bloated budgeted films, it's not a farfetched scenario.

So after several blockbusters crash and burn, one or more major studios could go out of business, most small/medium budget films will be released online or on television and not in the theater. The studios that survive would adopt a "Broadway" approach to the movies that actually make it into theaters, where the ticket prices go up dramatically, fewer films overall, and they stay in the theater for longer periods.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/13/lucas-and-spielberg-predict-massive-implosion-of-hollywood-caused-by-tech-industry/
Frankly, I would love to order movies on opening day and downloaded to my HT (with BD quality AV), while avoiding sh!tty theaters with their sh!tty food and coughing, farting, talking morons in seats near me.

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Frankly, I would love to order movies on opening day and downloaded to my HT (with BD quality AV), while avoiding sh!tty theaters with their sh!tty food and coughing, farting, talking morons in seats near me.

The thing is, most films will become like the made for TV variety. Fairly low budget, maybe the writing is good, but mostly shot on the cheap. The theaters will get all the big budget stuff (all test marketed to hell and back.) If you want to see Avengers 5, you'll have to trek out to the theater for its four to six month run before they release it at home, and pay at least twice as much as you do now.

There won't be much, if any, middle ground.

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The thing is, most films will become like the made for TV variety. Fairly low budget, maybe the writing is good, but mostly shot on the cheap. The theaters will get all the big budget stuff (all test marketed to hell and back.)

There won't be much, if any, middle ground.
Gee, thanx for that uplifting thought....I think I'll have another scotch.eek.gif

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Gee, thanx for that uplifting thought....I think I'll have another scotch.eek.gif

Sorry. frown.gif

Speilberg and Lucas aren't the only ones who think this, BTW. It's been a scenario kicking around the industry for some time.

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Sorry. frown.gif

Speilberg and Lucas aren't the only ones who think this, BTW. It's been a scenario kicking around the industry for some time.
The interesting thing is these super-expensive CGI blockbusters continue to cost more and are released more frequently.

Kinda reminds me of the Wall Street crooks with their self-induced mortgage crisis.
Leverage?
What's that?

Debt?
What's that?

What, me worry?
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Lucas and Speilberg predicted that several big budgeted movies failing in quick succession (like five or six) could lead to a drastic situation in Hollywood. With the recent emphasis on franchise-based properties and bloated budgeted films, it's not a farfetched scenario.

So after several blockbusters crash and burn, one or more major studios could go out of business, most small/medium budget films will be released online or on television and not in the theater. The studios that survive would adopt a "Broadway" approach to the movies that actually make it into theaters, where the ticket prices go up dramatically, fewer films overall, and they stay in the theater for longer periods.

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/13/lucas-and-spielberg-predict-massive-implosion-of-hollywood-caused-by-tech-industry/


Wow, this is a very near possibility. Disneys dropping a 100 million+ bomb each year. Sony is doing 2 this year.

I don't think there are too many releases at one time, just the studios having no clue as to how to evaluate the quality and potential public approval for these cinematic productions

I know it can't be the easiest thing' but some of these release that have bombed, to me, were quite predictable. Never should have been funded.

Also the Weinstein model would seem to be exempt from this prediction. Backing high qualtiy, well written and acted, low budget films has made them one of the more successful studios of late.

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Wow, this is a very near possibility. Disneys dropping a 100 million+ bomb each year. Sony is doing 2 this year.

Disney had already forgotten the John Carter fiasco with The Avengers... They will forget The Lone Ranger with Iron Man 3 and Monsters University, two huge hits for them this year. Sony will lose much more than them I think.
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Why are people picking on John Carter? I realize it's not a cinematic giant nor the cash cow Disney was hoping for. But at last count Box Office Mojo has JC with $282 million worldwide with a production cost of $250 million. I know there are advertising costs and so on which cut into the profits but then Disney is also pulling in revenues from video sales, etc. So yes it lost Disney money but it's not the bomb some people make it out to be. I have it in my Blu-ray collection whereas I'll never rent or buy The Lone Ranger.

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Why are people picking on John Carter? I realize it's not a cinematic giant nor the cash cow Disney was hoping for. But at last count Box Office Mojo has JC with $282 million worldwide with a production cost of $250 million. I know there are advertising costs and so on which cut into the profits but then Disney is also pulling in revenues from video sales, etc. So yes it lost Disney money but it's not the bomb some people make it out to be. I have it in my Blu-ray collection whereas I'll never rent or buy The Lone Ranger.

I bought JC when I first got my blu ray player and it didn't even occur to me to check if it made money at the box office or not because I just don't pay attention to that type of thing. I just thought it would look cool on blu ray and my grand kids might like it when they come to visit. Anyway, it was worth the money and I'm glad I have it in my library but I'm still uncertain about The Lone Ranger.

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I still am having a hard time believing this is my second favorite film of the summer (Man of Steel being an easy #1). Everything else has disappointed me.

Next Tuesday I'll see PACIFIC RIM and hope to be impressed by a film that is now looking to be a huge financial disaster for Legendary Pictures (tracking is abysmal, despite positive reviews). Lucas and Spielberg's prediction is coming true far faster than any could imagine. So many big budget films are taking this Summer its freaky.

I was thinking of that prediction when reading about how bad the Lone Ranger is. As for Pacific Rim, I'm disappointed to hear it's tracking poorly. I have high hopes for that film and want it to not only be good but do well at the box office.
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I was thinking of that prediction when reading about how bad the Lone Ranger is. As for Pacific Rim, I'm disappointed to hear it's tracking poorly. I have high hopes for that film and want it to not only be good but do well at the box office.
"They" said the same thing about WWZ and MOS.
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John Carter was entertaining. I didn't connect very well with the JC actor (I don't even remember his name), but I have seen a lot worse movies draw better box office. Some movies just suffer based on bad timing or studio neglect in marketing.
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no comments on whether the weinstein model is more sustainable than the studios investing hundreds of millions on these speculative over the top cinematic efforts?

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