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I find the idea of an "R" rating as being "Adult Filmmaking" to be a bit misleading...
In my mind, it gives the impression adults can't enjoy "G" or "PG-13" and that is not the case IMO.

I could care less which MPAA rating was handed out to a movie I enjoy.
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New, massive Prometheus trailer released today (google it). For those looking to avoid spoilers/overexposure you might want to avoid it. I think this one shows way too much and it's now reaching the point that it feels like I've been told all the major plot points.
(Which the marketers seemed to be studiously avoiding until now).

My own take: the more the movie reveals of the acting, the less enthusiastic I'm getting, at least in terms of characters/acting. I'm such a fan of the low-key naturalistic performances in the original Alien. Nothing in the trailers is striking me as having near the same quality. In this one Charlize Theron is coming off like the one-dimensional corporate bad-guy I imagined. I hope there turns out to be more nuance.
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I find the idea of an "R" rating as being "Adult Filmmaking" to be a bit misleading...
In my mind, it gives the impression adults can't enjoy "G" or "PG-13" and that is not the case IMO.

I could care less which MPAA rating was handed out to a movie I enjoy.
Good filmmaking should never be the result of these silly arbitrary ratings.

Absolutely. Great post.
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New, massive Prometheus trailer released today (google it). For those looking to avoid spoilers/overexposure you might want to avoid it. I think this one shows way too much and it's now reaching the point that it feels like I've been told all the major plot points.
(Which the marketers seemed to be studiously avoiding until now).

My own take: the more the movie reveals of the acting, the less enthusiastic I'm getting, at least in terms of characters/acting. I'm such a fan of the low-key naturalistic performances in the original Alien. Nothing in the trailers is striking me as having near the same quality. In this one Charlize Theron is coming off like the one-dimensional corporate bad-guy I imagined. I hope there turns out to be more nuance.

That is one cool trailer.
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New, massive Prometheus trailer released today (google it). For those looking to avoid spoilers/overexposure you might want to avoid it. I think this one shows way too much and it's now reaching the point that it feels like I've been told all the major plot points.
(Which the marketers seemed to be studiously avoiding until now).

My own take: the more the movie reveals of the acting, the less enthusiastic I'm getting, at least in terms of characters/acting. I'm such a fan of the low-key naturalistic performances in the original Alien. Nothing in the trailers is striking me as having near the same quality. In this one Charlize Theron is coming off like the one-dimensional corporate bad-guy I imagined. I hope there turns out to be more nuance.

ALIEN was one movie . . . PROMETHUS is another. Different casts, different locations, different story lines. Why should they be the same? Because they will have the same Director?
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In this one Charlize Theron is coming off like the one-dimensional corporate bad-guy I imagined.

The one-dimensional corporate bad-guy is the most common (and accepted without anyone ever protesting) stereotype in Hollywood.
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ALIEN was one movie . . . PROMETHUS is another. Different casts, different locations, different story lines.

Well, thanks for that surprising update!

I'm simply expressing that I, like many, have a desire to see more thoughtful, sophisticated, serious science fiction. One element that for me can upgrade the experience is realistic acting, subtlety, maturity. Exactly what Scott and his cast gave us in Alien. (And much of BladeRunner).

There's nothing wrong with expressing a wish to see such elements in a sci-fi film, especially from a Director known to bring just that approach before, to sci-fi.

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Why should they be the same? Because they will have the same Director?

So one doesn't go to certain directors with certain expectations? Why then would anyone care that this is a "Ridley Scott" film if we DIDN'T have certain expectations for that particular director (e.g. amazing attention to detail, cinematography, acting...)

You think people going to see Prometheus aren't hoping/expecting it will be different from a Michael Bay film?
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The one-dimensional corporate bad-guy is the most common (and accepted without anyone ever protesting) stereotype in Hollywood.

Yes. It is. Precisely.

As for "accepted without anyone ever protesting" I'm not sure what that means. If you are talking about audience members, it is exactly what I'd be protesting. (Just hoping for some nuance. If it's a character that I could predict with my eyes closed every time they are on screen...why should I find that character's screen time compelling...when, with some care, it could be otherwise?)
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Yes. It is. Precisely.

As for "accepted without anyone ever protesting" I'm not sure what that means.

I mean that it's never been considered the least bit unfair or problematic in any way in the popular media.
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You think people going to see Prometheus aren't hoping/expecting it will be different from a Michael Bay film?

I hope the Michael Bay ding dongs buy a ticket and see something they never expected and like it.

I know, it a long shot
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Spoils, I love it!

Between this and the multitude of Wayland sites, is it too much? Anything left for the film?

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Lol. Michael Bay sure doesn't get much love around here. I don't mind me some Bayhem.

I'm too chicken to watch that new Prometheus trailer.

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I mean that it's never been considered the least bit unfair or problematic in any way in the popular media.

I saw some poll somewhere recently indicating the public, at this moment in time, doesn't think too highly of the Masters of the Universe (as Tom Wolfe infamously dubbed 'em).


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Lol. Michael Bay sure doesn't get much love around here. I don't mind me some Bayhem.

I'm too chicken to watch that new Prometheus trailer.

Watch it wabo.

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I just can't do it...I am afraid I know too much as it is.

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Watch it wabo.

Lol. I already know too much about The Avengers and this too.

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I just can't do it...I am afraid I know too much as it is.

Exactly. I still want to go in knowing as little as possible. Which is getting more and more difficult to do.

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I saw some poll somewhere recently indicating the public, at this moment in time, doesn't think too highly of the Masters of the Universe (as Tom Wolfe infamously dubbed 'em).

I'm guessing you voted early and often in that poll, right Oink?

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I just can't do it...I am afraid I know too much as it is.

Looks quite good oink

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Did you watch it, Franin?

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I saw some poll somewhere recently indicating the public, at this moment in time, doesn't think too highly of the Masters of the Universe (as Tom Wolfe infamously dubbed 'em).

Oh, I don't think too highly of our government (who indeed fancy themselves our Masters) and their corporate state clients either.
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Well, thanks for that surprising update!

I'm simply expressing that I, like many, have a desire to see more thoughtful, sophisticated, serious science fiction. One element that for me can upgrade the experience is realistic acting, subtlety, maturity. Exactly what Scott and his cast gave us in Alien. (And much of BladeRunner).

There's nothing wrong with expressing a wish to see such elements in a sci-fi film, especially from a Director known to bring just that approach before, to sci-fi.

LOL and you can tell all of that from a trailer?

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So one doesn't go to certain directors with certain expectations? Why then would anyone care that this is a "Ridley Scott" film if we DIDN'T have certain expectations for that particular director (e.g. amazing attention to detail, cinematography, acting...)

Sure - but John Hurt isn't in PROMETHEUS. Nor is Harry Dean Stanton or Yaphat Koto.

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They don't "hope or expect." They know it will be totally different. Everyone knows that. You couldn't have picked a more apples to bricks comparison if you tried.
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That last trailer really does show way to much.....
Maybe the advertising did not do so well so they've resorted to this? who knows.
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That last trailer really does show way to much.....
Maybe the advertising did not do so well so they've resorted to this? who knows.

Didn't they show 10 minutes and even 25 minutes of AVATAR before it premiered? So how did that work out?
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Lol. I already know too much about The Avengers and this too.



Exactly. I still want to go in knowing as little as possible. Which is getting more and more difficult to do.

I think we've seen most of the highlights of the movie already.... No problem now waiting for the BD.

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Sure - but John Hurt isn't in PROMETHEUS. Nor is Harry Dean Stanton or Yaphat Koto.

So what? What does that fact have to do with the GENERAL desire to see sci-fi movies with quality characters and acting?

Can you not distinguish between:

1. Wanting Ridley to make the "SAME" movie - a strawman you keep throwing up, and not something I'm demanding.

and:

2. Hoping for SIMILAR qualities to a Director's best work? Which IS what I'm hoping for.

You know...like how we come to a Ridley Scott sci-fi film because we expect it will show the qualities he's produced before in sci-fi: Incredible attention to detail, believability of entirely created worlds, maturity, complexity, that certain Ridley scott "look" to the cinematography etc. No one is expecting the SAME movie (that's a strawman) but we reasonably expect or hope for SIMILAR qualities in his sci-fi work. Otherwise...who would care that it's Ridley Scott doing the film in the first place?

The problem is that, while the quality of the look of a film is usually there in a Ridley Scott film, the quality of nuanced, believable characters and a great script are not always there . Ridley is the guy who gets this aspect so right in a movie (as he did with his earlier sci-fi) and sometimes he's a guy who get's it so horribly wrong (as many of his subsequent efforts featured paper-thin or cliche characters). It's completely reasonable for me to hope for the former! And Alien is simply an example of Ridley getting it all together in one film.

Dude...chill. No need to come down like a ton o bricks here. All us Ridley-geeks are bringing our hopes to this movie and having fun analyzing what the trailers seem to indicate. It's no crystal ball and no one has said anything to that effect. I've simply noted that, for instance, in the new trailer featuring sections of dialogue, Charlize to me is coming off as a one-note corporate baddie. I have not therefore declared the acting in the film a failure: I have simply expressed hope that there will be more nuance (and hence that we get a good script/performance from Ridley on this one). We'll see.
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