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I'm hoping the sequal can salvage this. The cinematography was great but the story was terrible. It was a triple A movie that turned out to be B movie quality. The exact opposite of the original Alien sadly.
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It was a triple A movie that turned out to be B movie quality.
Interesting concept of rating there.
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Interesting concept of rating there.
You're much too polite cruiser. Triple A is what how it was received by the public, the B is one of the minority meaningless futile markdown Mr. "I want to be a hipster & not be like everyone else" attempted but is both wrong n confusing.

You don't have to like or support the epic great sci-fi film that it is, which is nothing wrong with that your opinion. But you're nuts if you think you can try to persuade everyone else that Ruth Chris steakhouse is not prime grade but usda select.

Nice try but don't confuse us with something that is objective the high quality production value vs the subjective that is ones opinion n perception.
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Nicely summarized. I couldn't have done it better.
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You should say it one more time and see if that changes the opinion of the majority who have already approved this movie.
Ironic that you mock repetitive comments that you feel are a futile attempts to change someone else's opinion.

Plenty of opinions on every movie out there. Prometheus gets more intense response than most because of its Alien(s) heritage, its director and its beautiful imagery. Whether or not it delivered on all those promises is obviously the point of contention, but neither the supporters nor the critics are necessarily wrong.

But either group certainly doesn't stand a good chance of changing the others' minds. No matter how many times it makes the same argument.

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You're much too polite cruiser. Triple A is what how it was received by the public, the B is one of the minority meaningless futile markdown Mr. "I want to be a hipster & not be like everyone else" attempted but is both wrong n confusing.
OK then please let us know how you reached the conclusion that the public gave it an objective AAA rating.

The movie received 73% from critics at Rottentomatoes and 69% from viewers. Not bad but not stellar either. The public hasn't thrown huge approval ratings at it online.

It was the 24th highest grossing film of 2012, behind others such as The Lorax, 21 Jumpstreet, Hotel Transylvania and Taken 2. So the public didn't throw tons of money at it.

I'm genuinely open to your conclusion, but you hurt your chances to influence people when you mock them.

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Ironic that you mock repetitive comments that you feel are a futile attempts to change someone else's opinion.
You misinterpreted my post. I was not trying to change Josh Z's opinion about this movie. I was asking him to move on. Before that, I was calling out his mistakes on the details of the scenes he was criticizing about.
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Plenty of opinions on every movie out there. Prometheus gets more intense response than most because of its Alien(s) heritage, its director and its beautiful imagery. Whether or not it delivered on all those promises is obviously the point of contention, but neither the supporters nor the critics are necessarily wrong.
What do you think about the critics who's can't remember the details of the movie that they criticize?
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But either group certainly doesn't stand a good chance of changing the others' minds. No matter how many times it makes the same argument.
That's not what was really going on here.
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You misinterpreted my post. I was not trying to change Josh Z's opinion about this movie. I was asking him to move on. Before that, I was calling out his mistakes on the details of the scenes he was criticizing about.
Yes, that changes things somewhat. But I believe Josh has stated at least once or twice that he has hidden your posts from his view, so asking him to do anything probably won't be very productive. This thread had basically been dead for six months, and after someone came in with a critical comment/picture you blasted multiple quotes from Josh Z (not from this thread though). It seemed out of place but maybe it makes sense if we think of the two Prometheus threads as one. Perhaps they should be merged?

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What do you think about the critics who's can't remember the details of the movie that they criticize?
Sure, I'm open to challenging that type of critique. And I'm also leery of narrative gymnastics that reference two other versions of the script to make loose ends tie up neatly. In general I want the movie as presented to speak for itself and play fair with the world it builds, and the characters who inhabit it.

I can see how after reading plenty of other supplemental material (scripts, interviews, etc...) you can start to make a pretty cool story out of Prometheus. But others thought that with better editing and direction these supplements would have been unnecessary.


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It was the 24th highest grossing film of 2012, behind others such as The Lorax, 21 Jumpstreet, Hotel Transylvania and Taken 2. So the public didn't throw tons of money at it.
If this domestic box office result is what you were looking at, out of those 24, 6 of them are R rated including this movie. Top 7 are all PG-13, 8 = PG, 9 = R (Ted), 10 = PG. Once you break down the ratings and genre, you see a different picture. Also, if you add the international box office, it shows a different result.
How Alien and Aliens did in the year they were released was also discussed already.
BTW, do you judge the quality of movie based on the box office receipts?
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I'm genuinely open to your conclusion, but you hurt your chances to influence people when you mock them.
Perhaps you should go to the beginning of this thread and (re)read because you will see a lots of mocking were already done and they weren't from who you think.
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Yes, that changes things somewhat. But I believe Josh has stated at least once or twice that he has hidden your posts from his view, so asking him to do anything probably won't be very productive. This thread had basically been dead for six months, and after someone came in with a critical comment/picture you blasted multiple quotes from Josh Z (not from this thread though).
You believe? Was it once or was it twice? Do you not remember the details of the exchanges that you are critiquing about?
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Sure, I'm open to challenging that type of critique. And I'm also leery of narrative gymnastics that reference two other versions of the script to make loose ends tie up neatly. In general I want the movie as presented to speak for itself and play fair with the world it builds, and the characters who inhabit it.

I can see how after reading plenty of other supplemental material (scripts, interviews, etc...) you can start to make a pretty cool story out of Prometheus. But others thought that with better editing and direction these supplements would have been unnecessary.
Looks like you aren't familiar with what really went on on this thread. It would be beneficial for you to get yourself familiarized with it first if you want to debate about it.
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You believe? Was it once or was it twice? Do you not remember the details of the exchanges that you are critiquing about?
So predictable
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Curious how they would handle a prequel. Sure does make me unsure as to how good it will be, though.
 
Probably trash like all things done now SB1 .. I wouldnt see this!!!

Alien 1-4 is excellent!!!!!
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It's been 5 days since this. Have you watched this movie again to prepare yourself better so that you don't fumble your debate again?
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It's been 5 days since this. Have you watched this movie again to prepare yourself better so that you don't fumble your debate again?
See paragraph 3.
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It's been a while since I've seen it so I don't remember what was being said but I believe that you had nothing to discuss about the movie at that time and that was your attempt to troll. Even if I'm wrong about that paragraph, I don't care because my opinion counts more than yours so I won't move on. So, there it is.
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