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Agreed. Caught it yesterday. Call me crazy, but it moved me more than TS1 or 2. Great film.

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Yeah, the incinerator scene was the most intense part of the movie for me. When Jessie looks to Buzz as if to ask how they're going to get out of this predicament, and Buzz looks right back into her eyes, pauses, and takes her hand - oh wow. What a moment...
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Yeah, the incinerator scene was the most intense part of the movie for me. When Jessie looks to Buzz as if to ask how they're going to get out of this predicament, and Buzz looks right back into her eyes, pauses, and takes her hand - oh wow. What a moment...

yeah that scene got me also.

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Yeah, the incinerator scene was the most intense part of the movie for me. When Jessie looks to Buzz as if to ask how they're going to get out of this predicament, and Buzz looks right back into her eyes, pauses, and takes her hand - oh wow. What a moment...

Yup I will second that scene also. Very touching scene. Then seeing some of the characters trying to run up the mound still away from the..... oh man. Part of me wishes they would have ended it right there...... I know it would of been a downer but heh.

I like the movie over all, but part two is still the best for me!

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Saw the 3D version today (free tickets!).

Starts a little slow, but the 2nd half goes well.
IMO, the plot turns a little too dark for the kiddies.
Some of the kids in the theater became upset.

The 3D is so-so...feels tacked on.

Overall, a thumbs up, but not way up.
And it did help to watch TS 1&2 last night.

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Saw the 3D version today (free tickets!).

Starts a little slow, but the 2nd half goes well.
IMO, the plot turns a little too dark for the kiddies.
Some of the kids in the theater became upset.

The 3D is so-so...feels tacked on.

Overall, a thumbs up, but not way up.
And it did help to watch TS 1&2 last night.

I saw it in 2D, so I can't really comment on the 3D in the movie, but I'm curious why you felt it was tacked on. The movies are all rendered in 3D to start. Adding a second "camera" for a stereoscopic presentation is simply a matter of rendering the frame from a slightly different perspective. This should give a true 3D appearance every time.
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I saw it in 2D, so I can't really comment on the 3D in the movie, but I'm curious why you felt it was tacked on. The movies are all rendered in 3D to start. Adding a second "camera" for a stereoscopic presentation is simply a matter of rendering the frame from a slightly different perspective. This should give a true 3D appearance every time.

The 3D effect appears to be more of an afterthought, rather than native to the genesis of the movie.

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The 3D effect appears to be more of an afterthought, rather than native to the genesis of the movie.

Exactly didn't even need it.

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The 3D effect appears to be more of an afterthought, rather than native to the genesis of the movie.

Therein lies the problem with 3D. It has to be an "afterthought". If not, then it has altered the movie from what we would have gotten had it been planned only to be 2D from the start...which has been and still is my argument against it.

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^I can see where the use of 3D can impact the story-making process (Avatar).
And I can see where it adds nothing (TS3).

If the creator decides to use 3D tech as a tool for creating the visuals (Cameron), I am for it.
But if the artist didn't conceive of the use of 3D until after visuals are "completed," it becomes a somewhat gratitous gesture...IMO, of course.

Noticed how no other movie other than Avatar has been praised for the use of this new 3D?

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Noticed how no other movie other than Avatar has been praised for the use of this new 3D?

...and Avatar had the benefit of a collosal hype machine (not that it wasn't impressive).

How to Train Your Dragon was praised for its 3-D, particularly its flight sequences.

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The movies are all rendered in 3D to start.

Indeed, 'Up' and TS3' were conceived with 3-D from the begining, not as an afterthought. Pixar has obviously embraced 3-D. 'Toy Story 3' is probably the best (most natural, least distracting) use of 3-D I've ever seen. Like watching a movie where you never notice the cinematography, visual effects or surround mix. Some people find that unimpressive.

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Indeed, 'Up' and TS3' were conceived with 3-D from the begining, not as an afterthought. Pixar has obviously embraced 3-D. 'Toy Story 3' is probably the best (most natural, least distracting) use of 3-D I've ever seen. Like watching a movie where you never notice the cinematography, visual effects or surround mix. Some people find that unimpressive.

I think my point was missed. All computer-animated movies are created in a 3D space and then rendered into a movie using one "camera". Adding another "camera" for a 3D presentation is a click of the mouse.

I do agree though; the best 3D is the one where you forget it's in 3D. I thought Avatar was that way.
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How to Train Your Dragon was praised for its 3-D, particularly its flight sequences.

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Indeed, 'Up' and TS3' were conceived with 3-D from the begining, not as an afterthought. Pixar has obviously embraced 3-D. 'Toy Story 3' is probably the best (most natural, least distracting) use of 3-D I've ever seen. Like watching a movie where you never notice the cinematography, visual effects or surround mix. Some people find that unimpressive.

Not noticing cinematography, visual effect, mix, or 3D is "impressive?"
Uh....no, that's a book.

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Not noticing cinematography, visual effect, mix, or 3D is "impressive?"

Yup. The more invisible the filmmaking, the better the storytelling.
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I do agree though; the best 3D is the one where you forget it's in 3D. I thought Avatar was that way.

Agreed. I would urge you to catch 'TS3' in 3-D if you can. I found the 3-D more seamlessly integrated than in 'Avatar'.

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Therein lies the problem with 3D. It has to be an "afterthought". If not, then it has altered the movie from what we would have gotten had it been planned only to be 2D from the start...which has been and still is my argument against it.

You could have claimed exactly the same thing about the use of colour back in the black-and-white movie days, and for some films you'd have been absolutely right. But I think colour has proved its worth over the years.

3D is still in its infancy. The best movies have proved that it can be done right and that it can add to the impact of the film without detracting anything from it. Don't write it off altogether it just because some movies have botched it.
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I don't think the 3d in TS3 added much overall to the cinematic experience.
Didn't seem much different to a 2d presentation.

I paid like $13 bucks for each ticket and didn't think the 3d was worth the
extra charge. From now on, I will be satisfied to watch any animated movie
on b.r.

Unless you film a movie like cameron did in avatar, don't think
you get a worthwhile 3d experience.

These observations certainly are not motivating me to go out
and get one of these 3d televisions that are now all the rage.
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I don't think the 3d in TS3 added much overall to the cinematic experience.
Didn't seem much different to a 2d presentation.

I paid like $13 bucks for each ticket and didn't think the 3d was worth the
extra charge. From now on, I will be satisfied to watch any animated movie
on b.r.

Unless you film a movie like cameron did in avatar, don't think
you get a worthwhile 3d experience.

These observations certainly are not motivating me to go out
and get one of these 3d televisions that are now all the rage.

Have to agree.

Although I haven't seen all of the new 3D releases, I have seen a few.
Avatar is the only one where the 3D was clearly inspiring.
And I do have it on 2D BD.
Looks and sounds great, but not the same experience either.

Animated BD usually looks terrific, so, like you, I'll be happy with 2D for now.

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I chose not to bother with the 3D presentation. I now view 3D as a gimmick that has worn out its welcome. It simply doesn't add significantly to the experience.
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Have to agree.

Although I haven't seen all of the new 3D releases, I have seen a few.
Avatar is the only one where the 3D was clearly inspiring.
And I do have it on 2D BD.
Looks and sounds great, but not the same experience either.

Animated BD usually looks terrific, so, like you, I'll be happy with 2D for now.


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Is cameron's 3d tech proprietary, and if so, can anyone license
its use to use in making a movie, or
do we have to wait for Pocahontas II, Dancing with Wolves II, and
Fern Gully II to see it again?
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Have to agree.

Although I haven't seen all of the new 3D releases, I have seen a few.
Avatar is the only one where the 3D was clearly inspiring.
And I do have it on 2D BD.
Looks and sounds great, but not the same experience either.

Animated BD usually looks terrific, so, like you, I'll be happy with 2D for now.

I agree. I've seen 3 3D movies. Avatar was great (however it looked better at home minus the cool 3D effects). HTTYD was nice but honestly it will look better at home in 2D with a brighter more vivid pic IMO. The 3D in TS3 was completely forgettable.
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My four year old was wowed by the 3d trailers before TS3 and then nothing much during the movie. The 3d lent a nice sense of depth to the movie but there were no exciting, dynamic effects to liven it up. Not worth the extra $20 or so for a family of four.

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Is cameron's 3d tech proprietary, and if so, can anyone license
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do we have to wait for Pocahontas II, Dancing with Wolves II, and
Fern Gully II to see it again?

The upcoming Resident Evil installment has touted in trailers as using the same 3D tech that Cameron developed for Avatar.

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My four year old was wowed by the 3d trailers before TS3 and then nothing much during the movie. The 3d lent a nice sense of depth to the movie but there were no exciting, dynamic effects to liven it up. Not worth the extra $20 or so for a family of four.

My daughter did good with HTTYD, but kept taking the glasses off in TS3 (same theater room). She said she didn't want to go to anymore 3D movies, and she was really excited before we went. My wife didn't get what all the 3D madness was about and didn't really care one way or the other, except she didn't like wearing the glasses.

Slightly off topic, but seeing "IN 3D!" for every damn movie trailer is just annoying now. I was ready for it to go away a long time ago, and feel even more strongly about it now. I know, I know....it's not going anywhere.

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My daughter did good with HTTYD, but kept taking the glasses off in TS3 (same theater room). She said she didn't want to go to anymore 3D movies, and she was really excited before we went. My wife didn't get what all the 3D madness was about and didn't really care one way or the other, except she didn't like wearing the glasses.

Slightly off topic, but seeing "IN 3D!" for every damn movie trailer is just annoying now. I was ready for it to go away a long time ago, and feel even more strongly about it now. I know, I know....it's not going anywhere.

As with Up, you could skip 3D & still get a great movie out of it.

Disney knows 3D is the "thing" right now. And animated films to tend to work well in 3D. But Pixar is not about chucking things @ your face for 90-120 minutes.

I'd say TS3's 3D has certainly subtle - nice layer of depth, but not needed to "make" the movie or it's story.

Same for the most part w/ Up, although much like Avatar, every scene involving flight really benefitted from the 3D thing. I know several people - my wife included - that got serious cases of vertigo (in a good way) - from the flight moments in both films.

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thank goodness the sorcerers apprentice isn't in 3d.

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My daughter did good with HTTYD, but kept taking the glasses off in TS3 (same theater room). She said she didn't want to go to anymore 3D movies, and she was really excited before we went. My wife didn't get what all the 3D madness was about and didn't really care one way or the other, except she didn't like wearing the glasses.

Slightly off topic, but seeing "IN 3D!" for every damn movie trailer is just annoying now. I was ready for it to go away a long time ago, and feel even more strongly about it now. I know, I know....it's not going anywhere.

I will pick and choose which movie I see in 3d or 2d. I think it needs to be a more dynamic, action oriented flic for the 3d to make a difference (for me). In some ways I prefer the 2d image as it is brighter, clearer and seems bigger to me.

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I'd say TS3's 3D has certainly subtle - nice layer of depth, but not needed to "make" the movie or it's story.
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And I applaud them for not abusing it to try and make their movie better. I just don't yet get what 3D is supposed to ad to the cinema. Theme park rides and shows/documentaries/movies that are made specifically to show off themselves using 3D have use for it. Oh, and crappy movies....they need it too.

How do good movies benefit from it? Toy Story didn't need it at all. I don't buy the "we see in 3D so movies should be in 3D" argument. 3D in the cinema is about as realistic as looking at a comic book. Toy Story, Up, and How to Train Your Dragon had NO reason to be in 3D, other than increased ticket prices and the "IT'S IN 3D!" factor. Tremendous movies all by themselves without gimmicks. I praised HTTYD for its use of 3D, and now I realize why I liked it - the 3D was done the way Toy Story used it, which was to do nothing more than (needlessly) put a great movie in 3D. The 3D had no effect whatsoever, except we had to pay more and wear some funky glasses. The third dimension was simply "running in the background".

I mean, even the new Narnia movie is throwing the "IN 3D!" card around. What the hell...Narnia? Pathetic (though it will probably suck and they know it, hence the 3D).

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And I applaud them for not abusing it to try and make their movie better. I just don't yet get what 3D is supposed to ad to the cinema. Theme park rides and shows/documentaries/movies that are made specifically to show off themselves using 3D have use for it. Oh, and crappy movies....they need it too.

How do good movies benefit from it? Toy Story didn't need it at all. I don't buy the "we see in 3D so movies should be in 3D" argument. 3D in the cinema is about as realistic as looking at a comic book. Toy Story, Up, and How to Train Your Dragon had NO reason to be in 3D, other than increased ticket prices and the "IT'S IN 3D!" factor. Tremendous movies all by themselves without gimmicks. I praised HTTYD for its use of 3D, and now I realize why I liked it - the 3D was done the way Toy Story used it, which was to do nothing more than (needlessly) put a great movie in 3D. The 3D had no effect whatsoever, except we had to pay more and wear some funky glasses. The third dimension was simply "running in the background".

I mean, even the new Narnia movie is throwing the "IN 3D!" card around. What the hell...Narnia? Pathetic (though it will probably suck and they know it, hence the 3D).

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3d right now is just another gimmick to get folks to pay more for ticket prices and television sets.

if cameron's technology is not used in filming the entire movie, why bother.

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I've seen this mentioned before, so I'm confused. What 3D technology did Cameron invent? I know he invented some apparatus to get better facial rendering of the CGI, but filming 3D is as simple as using a camera with two lenses at eye width.
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