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post #1261 of 1397 Old 05-24-2012, 01:04 AM
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Even though you didn't like Firefly

OK, I'm sorry...I wasn't clear.
Firefly/Serenity was "OK" in my book, but I expected JW to move "up the ladder."
This is a guy with boatloads of talent, and I expected him to EXCEED Buffy/Angel with his next project.....


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you gotta admit it's interesting how beloved yet another Whedon series was and how dedicated and hardcore its fans were for similar reasons to his other series. He always finds a hardcore loyal group of fans who really bond with his series; Not all of them previous fans either. Whedon's work really resonates with people, because he loves telling great character stories, blends genres so well, writes great witty dialogue/banter....blends comedy, drama, action, horror, etc all so well and always has some charm and heart somewhere.

I absolutely, positively admire his ability to develop his fan base (kinda reminds me of what Kevin Smith has done).
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OK, I'm sorry...I wasn't clear.
Firefly/Serenity was "OK" in my book, but I expected JW to move "up the ladder."
This is a guy with boatloads of talent, and I expected him to EXCEED Buffy/Angel with his next project.....

Well, sadly, with only around 14 episodes it didn't have much of a chance to exceed either one. I wouldn't expect any show to do that with merely one season. Joss' shows generally become far greater after the first seasons 1 & 2 and I have no doubt season 2 and 3 of Firefly, had it gone on that long, would have become richer, deeper and much greater of a series (though I wouldn't say it'd have become greater than Buffy or Angel in my eyes, but I believe it would have become an even greater series than season 1). Unfortunately, it never got that chance and thanks Fox for airing the episodes out of order and airing the pilot episode DEAD Last!

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Well, sadly, with only around 14 episodes it didn't have much of a chance to exceed either one. I wouldn't expect any show to do that with merely one season. Joss' shows generally become far greater after the first seasons 1 & 2 and I have no doubt season 2 and 3 of Firefly, had it gone on that long, would have become richer, deeper and much greater of a series (though I wouldn't say it'd have become greater than Buffy or Angel in my eyes, but I believe it would have become an even greater series than season 1). Unfortunately, it never got that chance and thanks Fox for airing the episodes out of order and airing the pilot episode DEAD Last!

+1! Firefly's cancellation made me sick, sick, sick. As one expects from any Whedon venture, it was brilliantly written and, like Buffy before it, had a deep ensemble cast.

Speaking of the Firefly ensemble, one of the best Castle episodes of the season guest starred Adam Baldwin as a brutal but effective NYPD gang cop. Nathan Fillion's Castle rode along with the Baldwin character and feared for his life every foot of the way. We never know when another member of The Joss Whedon Stock Company will show up, do we?
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Firefly was a "perfect" TV show, IMHO. Had something for everyone, yet it all tied together so imaginatively. Even my mother-in-law, who has no interest in science fiction or westerns, loved it. In fact, I've only known one person who didn't love it, and he's already made his opinion known on these pages.
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We never know when another member of The Joss Whedon Stock Company will show up, do we?

They might even pop up during the credits

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Firefly was a "perfect" TV show, IMHO. Had something for everyone, yet it all tied together so imaginatively. Even my mother-in-law, who has no interest in science fiction or westerns, loved it. In fact, I've only known one person who didn't love it, and he's already made his opinion known on these pages.

I didn't love it. I thought it was only OK. And I am a big fan of Sci-Fi in general. In terms of Space-Westerns, I had much more fun with Cowboy Bebop.

That all being said, I LOVED The Avengers and have great respect for JW. I can't wait for the Blu-ray.

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Not sure how Firefly became a topic here, but let me say thanks to AVS for bringing the show to my attention three years ago. My wife and I rarely watch TV anymore, but I got the Blus on your collective recommendations and we absolutely LOVED the show. It is in my top 5 all-time, and I wish it lasted longer (would've helped if we watched it live, huh?).

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Not sure how Firefly became a topic here, but let me say thanks to AVS for bringing the show to my attention three years ago. My wife and I rarely watch TV anymore, but I got the Blus on your collective recommendations and we absolutely LOVED the show. It is in my top 5 all-time, and I wish it lasted longer (would've helped if we watched it live, huh?).

Probably because it, along with the Avengers is also made by Joss Whedon. That's just an assumption though.

And honestly, it wouldn't have helped if you watched it live unless you're one of the very few who have a Nielson's box. They track a small group of people and estimate ratings based on those few. It's absolutely retarded. A very flawed system for sure.
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I strongly doubt it will beat THE DARK KNIGHT (USA BO) let alone TITANIC

2 Titanic Par. $658,160,411
3 The Dark Knight WB $533,345,358

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm

Just curious what do you think now?

Two or three more days and it surpasses The Dark Knight Domestically and Deathly Hallows Part II worldwide for #3 of all time. Fastest (Domestically) to $100, $150, $200, $250, $300, $350, $400, $450 and now $500 million. Fastest to $500 by 9 days vs Avatar and 22 days faster than The Dark Knight. Should be the fastest to $550 as well. Here's to hoping it'll sink Titanic next (though the re-release does make that task more difficult).

Go ahead and make down this prediction of mine. The Avengers will surpass Titanic domestically. Probably won't top Avatar in the US, but I do think it has a chance.
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Just curious what do you think now?

Two or three more days and it surpasses The Dark Knight Domestically and Deathly Hallows Part II worldwide for #3 of all time. Fastest (Domestically) to $100, $150, $200, $250, $300, $350, $400, $450 and now $500 million. Fastest to $500 by 9 days vs Avatar and 22 days faster than The Dark Knight. Should be the fastest to $550 as well. Here's to hoping it'll sink Titanic next (though the re-release does make that task more difficult).

Go ahead and make down this prediction of mine. The Avengers will surpass Titanic domestically. Probably won't top Avatar in the US, but I do think it has a chance.

Why is "sinking Titanic" so important to you (or anyone else for that matter)?
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Why is "sinking Titanic" so important to you (or anyone else for that matter)?

Its a question to ponder. And the ultimate answer is it doesn't matter. But after Firefly, Serenity, the debacle of Wonder Woman, Dollhouse...you have to forgive a certain euphoria among us longtime Whedon fans at finally seeing a popular triumph...and we're feeling greedy But its time to take a deep breath and be happy with what we got...all I ever wanted was for him to make enough money to do whatever he wanted, and I think he has acheived that, at least for a while.

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Its a question to ponder. And the ultimate answer is it doesn't matter. But after Firefly, Serenity, the debacle of Wonder Woman, Dollhouse...you have to forgive a certain euphoria among us longtime Whedon fans at finally seeing a popular triumph...and we're feeling greedy But its time to take a deep breath and be happy with what we got...all I ever wanted was for him to make enough money to do whatever he wanted, and I think he has acheived that, at least for a while.

Yep those of us who have always loved Joss Whedon's work, including the underappreciated Firefly, Serenity, and Dollhouse, it's hard not to gloat over the grand slam Whedon hit with The Avengers. As for Titanic, I love it too but recognize that there is a lot of anti James Cameron sentiment out there. I don't get it but there it is.
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Yep those of us who have always loved Joss Whedon's work, including the underappreciated Firefly, Serenity, and Dollhouse, it's hard not to gloat over the grand slam Whedon hit with The Avengers. As for Titanic, I love it too but recognize that there is a lot of anti James Cameron sentiment out there. I don't get it but there it is.

A lot of it is due to his success. I'm already bracing myself for the inevitable backlash that the success of The Avengers will probably cause for Joss.

Another thing about ticket sales and catching the Titanic...you have to remember its a drastically different economy now. BO totals are down over 30% from last year, and I read somewheres MIB 3 is the fifth major studio release of the year to underperform. Its in that climate that The Avengers acheived what it has,,, I think Titanic was driven by repeated viewings, I remember stories of teenage girls reportedly seeing it 10 or 20 times. Not too many could do that now...

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Its a question to ponder. And the ultimate answer is it doesn't matter. But after Firefly, Serenity, the debacle of Wonder Woman, Dollhouse...you have to forgive a certain euphoria among us longtime Whedon fans at finally seeing a popular triumph...and we're feeling greedy But its time to take a deep breath and be happy with what we got...all I ever wanted was for him to make enough money to do whatever he wanted, and I think he has acheived that, at least for a while.

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Yep those of us who have always loved Joss Whedon's work, including the underappreciated Firefly, Serenity, and Dollhouse, it's hard not to gloat over the grand slam Whedon hit with The Avengers. As for Titanic, I love it too but recognize that there is a lot of anti James Cameron sentiment out there. I don't get it but there it is.

Same sentiment here. Heck, I'm expecting Whedon's "Much Ado About Nothing" to pass the 1 million mark!

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Another thing about ticket sales and catching the Titanic...you have to remember its a drastically different economy now. BO totals are down over 30% from last year, and I read somewheres MIB 3 is the fifth major studio release of the year to underperform. Its in that climate that The Avengers acheived what it has,,, I think Titanic was driven by repeated viewings, I remember stories of teenage girls reportedly seeing it 10 or 20 times. Not too many could do that now...

I'm not sure I'm totally on board with this statement. While economic times are certainly different I'm not sure there's much impact this year. In fact, I believe people are wanting to get out to the theater. The underperforming releases are the result of weak to poor films. Plenty of people are going to see the Avengers multiple times, which IMO is the even bigger story. You would expect repeat viewership with the likes of Titanic, not The Avengers. But it's no doubt happening. Since Ghost Protocol, Hollywood and movie theaters alike have enjoyed a renewed buzz but the remaining releases this summer (Spidey, Prometheus, TDKR) along with a few others are really going to tell the story. If they are strong films then people will go in droves. There are high expectations for Skyfall on the backend of the year as well.
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Why is "sinking Titanic" so important to you (or anyone else for that matter)?

I wouldn't say it's important, but I'd really like to see it happen (and I liked Titanic, btw). I'm wanting to shoot films. Joss Whedon is my writing/filmmaking idol and his work are the inspirations that rekindled my desire to write and get back into wanting to shoot films. Is that explanation enough? Lol. I felt his work was simply magnificent and while he and his work was greatly loved and appreciated by many on the net I felt it was such a shame to see the treatment he has gotten by Networks and that his work wasn't bigger and was only cult status. I've been telling people for awhile if he got a project like this it'd be amazing and of the biggest films ever. For me, the bigger the better, but it's not that important. #3 is awesome too.

I love Cameron's work, btw, so nothing against him. I'm plenty happy if Whedon's film is at #3; That's amazing, but I think it'd be an even greater feat if his film topped a long time reigning film like Titanic. That's all.
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BO totals are down over 30% from last year, and I read somewheres MIB 3 is the fifth major studio release of the year to underperform.

Hmmm. Everything I've read is different from what you wrote. Box Office MOJO shows a 13.6% increase from last year at this time.
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hmmm. Everything i've read is different from what you wrote. Box office mojo shows a 13.6% increase from last year at this time.

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Why is "sinking Titanic" so important to you (or anyone else for that matter)?

People are paying more attention to Avengers box office, IMO, because it's a 'true geek' sort of film, the kind we grew up hearing would never succeed with a larger audience. Titanic on the other hand, was the essence of Big Event Movie, made by James "God" Cameron, so I think that online geeks are experiencing a sort of vicarious win.

It is turning out to maybe not have the sort of legs that Avatar did, but it's damn close.


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I wouldn't say it's important, but I'd really like to see it happen (and I liked Titanic, btw). I'm wanting to shoot films. Joss Whedon is my writing/filmmaking idol and his work are the inspirations that rekindled my desire to write and get back into wanting to shoot films. Is that explanation enough? Lol. I felt his work was simply magnificent and while he and his work was greatly loved and appreciated by many on the net I felt it was such a shame to see the treatment he has gotten by Networks and that his work wasn't bigger and was only cult status. I've been telling people for awhile if he got a project like this it'd be amazing and of the biggest films ever. For me, the bigger the better, but it's not that important. #3 is awesome too.

I love Cameron's work, btw, so nothing against him. I'm plenty happy if Whedon's film is at #3; That's amazing, but I think it'd be an even greater feat if his film topped a long time reigning film like Titanic. That's all.

I get it. Frankly, I'm still pissed that Star Wars has been surpassed.

No, it's just that I hear (and read) many people, not necessarily you, speak of how much they hope Titanic gets beat. And as a "people watcher" so to speak, it's really fascinating to me. It's one thing to say "I hope The Avengers or Wheddon" becomes the biggest movie of all time." But it's another to wish for the overshadowing of another title specified by name.

I guess I never think (or have thought) in these terms for movies because I guess I just want all movies to be good because I enjoy them at the theater and at home. Unlike sports where there are teams I specifically want to win and teams I specifically want to lose, relative to how it affects my team.
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Hmmm. Everything I've read is different from what you wrote. Box Office MOJO shows a 13.6% increase from last year at this time.

It was a Hollywood Reporter story about the disappointing opening weekend for MIB 3. Maybe the decline was just memorial day weekend?

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It was a Hollywood Reporter story about the disappointing opening weekend for MIB 3. Maybe the decline was just memorial day weekend?

maybe mib3 ain't that good. the flicks raking in hundrds of millions survive on good word of mouth. next weekend should be telling. if mib3 drops significantly it's got no legs. and with prometheus coming out the following week they won't have a chance to be #1 again.

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I must be alone on this, but the two characters that stuck out in my mind the day after seeing the film were Hawkeye and Black Widow. Followed by the Hulk and the letter perfect (for me anyways) portrayal of Thor. IronMan came in fourth-and he was perfect too!

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I get it. Frankly, I'm still pissed that Star Wars has been surpassed.

No, it's just that I hear (and read) many people, not necessarily you, speak of how much they hope Titanic gets beat. And as a "people watcher" so to speak, it's really fascinating to me. It's one thing to say "I hope The Avengers or Wheddon" becomes the biggest movie of all time." But it's another to wish for the overshadowing of another title specified by name.

I guess I never think (or have thought) in these terms for movies because I guess I just want all movies to be good because I enjoy them at the theater and at home. Unlike sports where there are teams I specifically want to win and teams I specifically want to lose, relative to how it affects my team.

Yeah, I mean no disrespect to Titanic or Cameraon. A lot of people are haters of that film film and want to see it go down for that reason alone. Not my reason at all. Personally, as a huge fan of Whedon and having loved The Avengers I'd love it to top it because it's a long time reining film film by an all time great director and is a very historic place to be (though #3 is as well really). It was #1 and seemingly untouchable for 12 years until Cameron decided to make another film, so any movie topping it is still a massive feat.
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maybe mib3 ain't that good. it is.

Bingo! This made first weekend dollars on title and stars. It was not very good IMO. Maybe that's the wrong word. It was very different from other MIB movies, so MIB fans should have been disappointed. I expect a major drop for this coming weekend.
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Yeah, I mean no disrespect to Titanic or Cameraon. A lot of people are haters of that film film and want to see it go down for that reason alone. Not my reason at all. Personally, as a huge fan of Whedon and having loved The Avengers I'd love it to top it because it's a long time reining film film by an all time great director and is a very historic place to be (though #3 is as well really). It was #1 and seemingly untouchable for 12 years until Cameron decided to make another film, so any movie topping it is still a massive feat.

Now I will absolutely concede that the better The Avengers does the more Opportunity and flexibility Wheadon will be given. He should be free to fully express and realize his cinematic vision, which is what any artist and fan of said artist wants.
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