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I know there aren't too many of you that have added the Front Height speakers yet, but for those that have, please recommend some movie titles with great effects for this new intriguing dimension of sound.

I have setup my 9.1 HT system and here are some movies that have WOW'ed me already!

Highly Recommended for Front Height Effects:
300
Matrix Revolutions
Blade Runner!!!
Top Gun DTS WOW!
2012 Audio Euphoria
Twilight Saga: New Moon
Ninja Assassin
U-571 and even better to test ur Subwoofer
the animated film 9 Lots of great sound!
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
The Day the Earth Stood Still
The Last Castle
Rambo (2008)
Twister
Wall-E
Star Trek
Point Break
Death Race
Terminator: Salvation
IMAX Fighter Pilot
IMAX Super Speedway
The Notebook (the rain scene on the lake)
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Well, the height channels are supposed to be use for ambient effects like wind and rain. I'd guess that Hard Rain would be a good candidate. (It's not a good movie, though.)

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Well, the height channels are supposed to be use for ambient effects like wind and rain. I'd guess that Hard Rain would be a good candidate. (It's not a good movie, though.)

Twister?
A Perfect Storm?
2012?
Whiteout?

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Twister?
A Perfect Storm?
2012?
Whiteout?


Twister was a great recommendation, watched it tonight!
I'll definitely put 2012 to the test when it comes out this Tuesday.

Thanks. Keep the suggestions coming. I will be sure to keep putting up movies that I find exceptionally amazing with this new room dimension technology.
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Highly Recommended for Front Height Effects:

Rambo (2008)
Twister
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I've been looking at doing height speakers ( have been told were getting the update soon ) does it work well?

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I know it's not a movie, but if you have a Playstation 3 I highly recommend Uncharted 2. It has amazing 7.1 PCM surround sound and would probably be even better in IIz.

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I've been looking at doing height speakers ( have been told were getting the update soon ) does it work well?

I couldn't be happier having added another dimension to my room space. Its fantastic to hear those sound effects moving down from atop at the ceiling to the front mains.

I can't believe that some find it to be worthless. They obviously did not experience the proper 9.x setup.
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I couldn't be happier having added another dimension to my room space. Its fantastic to hear those sound effects moving down from atop at the ceiling to the front mains.

I can't believe that some find it to be worthless. They obviously did not experience the proper 9.x setup.

Thanks for that will looking forward in giving them ago when we get our update.

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2012 was a great recommendation for Front Height speaker effects, if you can withstand the unrealistic heroic scenes in the movie.
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(Sorry to necro this thread)
I have a question about this.

I just hooked up some height speakers to my receiver (Denon 2310), but it only supports 7.1 DPLIIz (not 9.1), so that means I had to sacrifice the rear two speakers to do it. I wanted to see the difference the height speakers would make by comparison.

My Question is just for clarity in understanding. If a movie has a discrete 7.1 track (3:10 to Yuma, Toy Story 3), am I wasting that extra information by using a 5.1 system + Heights? Or does a 7.1 track help make better height channels?

From what I understand Dolby PLIIz takes a 5.1 track and fakes a height channel. Some of the movies listed above only have 5.1 tracks (Star Trek), so I assume that's correct.

Of the above list, I have Terminator:S, Star Trek, Wall-E. Any new ones to add to the list from the past year?
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My Question is just for clarity in understanding. If a movie has a discrete 7.1 track (3:10 to Yuma, Toy Story 3), am I wasting that extra information by using a 5.1 system + Heights?
It doesn't waste the rear surround tracks. A 7.1 discrete soundtrack's back surround channels just get folded into the regular surround channels of the 5.1+heights. Or even a 5.1 setup without front heights.

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It's no better or worse than a 5.1 soundtrack. The front height channels are extracted from the front L-R channels.

FWIW, I also went from a 7.1 with back surrounds to a 5.1 with front heights (technically, should be called a 7.1 heights, as the two heights count as channels.)

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FWIW, I also went from a 7.1 with back surrounds to a 5.1 with front heights (technically, should be called a 7.1 heights, as the two heights count as channels.)
Like it better?

I've been messing with it, and I suspect I'm hearing a more full sound up front, but I'm not really sure I'm telling the difference yet. But in 7.1 I know I'm hearing stuff behind me, but that doesn't mean I like that better.

Really I just want 9.1 receivers to be cheaper. :|
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I bi-amp my front speakers. I wonder if I would be better off to use the extra two channels as height channels and not bi-amp the front. Thoughts?
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bump for more input. I'm trying it tonight with a couple movies and I think it may just be placebo!

I'm using the Onkyo TX-NR1007, a full set of Wharfedale sapphire 7.1 speakers, and some cheap outdoor speakers hung from a couple ceiling hooks for the front heights until I decide if I want to permanently mount a set of wharfedale center channels -- if the sound impresses me.

So far -- not so much. I can't even tell if I'm hearing anything different. My ceiling is only about 7 foot high though and that might be part of it.

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I've been switching back and forth here for a few weeks. I can't really say that I distinguish anything different height-wise (spatially), but the sound up front does sound 'fuller'. Then I set up a macro to switch to 7.1 and manually walk the height speakers around to be back speakers. Now I feel like there's more going on behind me, and all speakers feel like they're on a single plane.

I can't say which is 'better'. Really all it makes me want is a true 9.1 receiver so I don't have to choose.
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I wonder if I would be better off to use the extra two channels as height channels and not bi-amp the front. Thoughts?
I never believed much in bi-amping. Just try to see if you hear a difference between the bi-amped fronts or the single amped fronts w/o adding the heights. If you don't have any difference use the two amps for the heights.
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Like it better?

Sorry, missed the reply. For me it wasn't much choice, as my new room doesn't allow for rears (but in my old place I didn't have a PLIIz receiver. I bought my Onkyo 807 when I moved in.) I agree it sounds fuller up front, but the rear could use a couple more, too.

I'd say it's a wash, and like you, wish I could have both.

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How high are you guys placing your Height speakers? Dolby states "at least 3 feet" but doesnt have a max recommendation. My cieling extremely high, there's basically no limit on how high i can put them. How high is too high?

Someone else told me "3 to 4 feet" which suggests that 4 is the max

Audyssey says "45 degrees or as high as you can get them" but i guess DSX is totally different then PLIIZ





in short, how high is too high ?
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Did you ever figure out what the appropriate placement for your height speakers? I just got a 7.1 setup and I too have a really high ceiling. I was thinking of placing them as high as possible at a 45 degree angle. What do you think?
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Transformers Dark of the Moon Blu ray &/or 3D Blu ray: Dolby True HD 7.1

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I have 11.1with my onkyo 818 but I have to choose between height or width speakers because both cant run at the same time. Depends on the movie but both have their merits. Try dredd or expendables 2 they both have 11.1 neo x and dredd has an 11.1 optimization demo to check speaker placement that sounds pretty cool
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"Memoirs of a Geisha" has one scene with helicopters flying overhead and tanks driving behind you; it's quite something to experience but very short. It made me wonder what it would be like to re-watch some war cinema like "Band of Brothers".

"Batman: The Dark Knight" has a couple scenes with height effects such as the bank robbery where it sounded like they shot holes in my living room ceiling.
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Lots of Rain, Arrow & other Height Type material in LotR Series, dts-HD 6.1.

Bit Off Topic, but...

Have a Denon 3312; split my Height signal to external amps (2 old AVRs), using that to create simulated Rear Height & Wides. With PLIIz know there is no Wide Option, but sounds pretty good, nonetheless; & if you have A-DSX, bet there's not 10 Cents Differ between Height & Wide...

Also split Surround signal to old AVR to create Surround BACK.

So, if anyone has extra speakers, wire & AVRs not being used...as always, YMMV...
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Nice Height Material, at times, in Band of Bros.; although the dts-HD is only 5.1...
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