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Opening April 15 (how appropriate), Ayn Rand's masterpiece reduced to film, gets its first review and provides access to a trailer. The film is the first of a planned three after decades of projects based on the book failed to get done. There are three parts because the book would be impossible (1200 pages) to condense to a single showing. The actors are not big names and the budget was modest by today's standards - in the twenty million range, as I have read. None-the-less, I am hoping the character of the work will show. The previous well-known movie of her best seller, The Fountainhead, was excellent and starred big names for the time when made in the late forties.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/je...mely-must-see/

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Because the Hollywood lefties don't like it and funds are limited so not as many prints as a blockbuster, it won't be show in a whole lot of theaters from what I can find. The closest to KC is Dallas.

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Not as close as I'd like, but I have these choices:

Dallas - Studio Movie Grill
11170 N. Central Expy, Dallas, TX 75243

Fort Worth - West 7th Street Movie Tavern
2872 Crockett Street, Fort Worth, TX 76107

Frisco - AMC Stonebriar
2601 Preston Road, Frisco, TX 75034

Plano - Cinemark West Plano
3800 Dallas Parkway, Plano, TX 75093

Southlake - Harkins Southlake 14
1450 Plaza Place, Southlake, TX 76092-7664

Even though it's a bit of a drive and it would be cheaper to wait for the DVD, it might be good to go and support this film.
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I hope this succeeds. That means more than I can describe on AVS.

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Don't "resent" the production; anyone can make any movie they like (if they have the rights).

Awhile back I read (can't remember where) many wealthy AR advocates passed on investing in this one.
Most likely due to a very likely low B.O., as the verdict on Rand's ideas has already been dismissed by the majority.

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Most likely due to a very likely low B.O., as the verdict on Rand's ideas has already been dismissed by the majority.

Interesting statement. I guess I'd like to know when that poll was taken. Limited government and strong, creative businesses seem to be pretty popular in free, democratic, capitalistic societies.
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Let's keep focused on the movie. Thanks.

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Wonder why Texas is getting so many and KC none to date. Hmmm.

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Who is supposed to be the audience for this film?

The trailer I saw didn't leave me wanting to see it. The protaganist proclaiming all he cares about is profit, and a government conspiracy against his company because it is "too" productive?
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Who is supposed to be the audience for this film?

The trailer I saw didn't leave me wanting to see it. The protaganist proclaiming all he cares about is profit, and a government conspiracy against his company because it is "too" productive?

As I said in an earlier post, Rand's ideas have been discredited.

Because of this, no major studio was willing to support this film.

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As I said in an earlier post, Rand's ideas have been discredited.

What were her ideas?

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What were her ideas?

And where were they discredited?

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Remembering the Real Ayn Rand
The author of "Atlas Shrugged" was an individualist, not a conservative, and she knew big business was as much a threat to capitalism as government bureaucrats.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...pinion_LEADTop
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I'm only part-way through "Atlas Shrugged," but thus far I find these ideas from Ayn Rand:

-- individuals should be responsible for themselves as much as possible
-- "for-profit businesses" exist to earn profit, not to provide charity to various causes
-- indecision is the mother of inaction, which leads to decay
-- refusal to be accountable for one's actions is a dishonorable trait

I am unaware of any of those ideas ever being discredited; however, I have more of the book to get through, so there may be more ideas in it that are less-obviously true.

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As far as I know, Rand's biting novel is even more on-point in today's society with today's societal structure than when it was written. We are today more sharply divided into the Haves/Have Nots, with a relatively tiny cadre of elites and a disappearing Middle Class.

Rand's Objectivism is of course the polar opposite of the Marxist theories of government so popular with today's "ruling class" elites.

For fans of the Rand novel, let me reccomend that other literary work of Libertarian revolution, Robert A. Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

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I will note that as much as I am enjoying "Atlas Shrugged," I'm not really seeing it as a likely hit on the big-screen. We shall see...

Gary, your recommendation of some Heinlein makes me wonder: will we ever get movies of some of his works? "Stranger in a Strange Land," or "The Cat Who Walked Through Walls," for examples?

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I really enjoyed reading "The Fountainhead" when I was a student in architecture school, probably because I could identify with the struggles of its architect/protagonist Howard Roark, very loosely based on Frank Lloyd Wright. I thought the Gary Cooper movie was an over-the-top hoot, and still break it out from time to time.

But "Atlas Shrugged" - different story. Got about 50 pages in and couldn't stomach another thousand of the same. Yeah Ayn, I get it - "Profit (and profiteers) good, social consciousness bad!" Put it down and had no desire to ever pick it back up. But I may go see the movie(s) - more time efficient. That's more time I can spend pursuing profits and making the world a better place for the multitudes of wretched and unworthy lemmings that surf in my illustrious wake.
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I'm only part-way through "Atlas Shrugged," but thus far I find these ideas from Ayn Rand:

-- individuals should be responsible for themselves as much as possible
-- "for-profit businesses" exist to earn profit, not to provide charity to various causes
-- indecision is the mother of inaction, which leads to decay
-- refusal to be accountable for one's actions is a dishonorable trait

I am unaware of any of those ideas ever being discredited; however, I have more of the book to get through, so there may be more ideas in it that are less-obviously true.

and promoted ethical egoism while rejecting the ethic of altruism
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Ayn Rand would have thought Inside Job was a romantic comedy.
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Yeah Ayn, I get it - "Profit (and profiteers) good, social consciousness bad!"

She seemed to have the railroad company's VP-Ops make that case, but only in the context of saving/running a "for-profit business." Therefore, the point seems obviously valid, if cartoonishly overstated.

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and promoted ethical egoism while rejecting the ethic of altruism

Altruism -- while a noble ideal -- does not exist in practical reality. Basing a system on an assumption to the contrary is doomed to failure. Catastrophically so.

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Altruism -- while a noble ideal -- does not exist in practical reality. Basing a system on an assumption to the contrary is doomed to failure. Catastrophically so.

Egoism -- while despicably selfish a fraught with greed -- thrives as a whole and benefits 2% of the planet. Outrageously so.
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Altruism -- while a noble ideal -- does not exist in practical reality. Basing a system on an assumption to the contrary is doomed to failure. Catastrophically so.

that was from Wikipedia.
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Ayn Rand would have thought Inside Job was a romantic comedy.

That is funny
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And where were they discredited?

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Where shall we begin?

I would love nothing more than a discussion of Rand and her legacy and its influence on the right-wing down to this very day.

But Larry has already put out a warning.
I'll leave it at that...

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that was from Wikipedia.

If so, I did not see it there. It is what I think.

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Oink, were her ideas those I posted from my vantage? (None of those were political, and therefore are valid for on-topic discussion related to this movie.) Or, were her ideas other than those I posted?

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If so, I did not see it there. It is what I think.

No, my post was from wikipedia just to add to her views. I know your post was your views. Sorry to be so confusing. My theory is there is no perfect theory.
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Altruism -- while a noble ideal -- does not exist in practical reality. Basing a system on an assumption to the contrary is doomed to failure. Catastrophically so.

If you are looking for it on the head of a pin you may not find it. Otherwise, altruism is alive and well. We need more altruistic people. How anyone could see altruism as a negative is beyond me. Unfortunately, I'm only altruistic about once every 10 years.
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If you are looking for it on the head of a pin you may not find it. Otherwise, altruism is alive and well. We need more altruistic people. How anyone could see altruism as a negative is beyond me. Unfortunately, I’m only altruistic about once every 10 years.

I greatly admire people who become wealthy and then dedicate themselves and their wealth to better society. Hard time seeing how that is bad. In addition my company along with many other companies large and small devote time and money to better society by doing volunteer work (mine has one day when the whole firm commits to doing community projects to help deserving charities etc.). I think most would agree it is "good business", but certainly not done for anything but a "payback" to society.

My best friend is a pediatrician that devotes a couple days a week to treating underpriledged children for free at a local clinic. Many doctors do the same. My wife is retired and works 1-2 days a week at a local hospital as a volunteer. These things are bad or not good for society and not real? How? Perhaps Rand would not do them or advocate for them, but I sure do.

That said, I will check out the movie when it comes out on DVD.
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