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Maybe this sucker will be better than avatar after all.

This will be better than Boratar.

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I like Stanton and hope this does well and finds it's audience. We usually do a spring break, family movie, but no interest from my two daughters on this one. They might end up liking it for a home viewing but not worth the risk in a theater.

My kids are kind of excited to see this. Planning on going this weekend. Maybe even tonight.

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This will be better than Boratar.



My kids are kind of excited to see this. Planning on going this weekend. Maybe even tonight.

Boys right?

My youngest is down with anything involving fighting as long as it is cartoonish fighting, which I suspect this is all about. Her favorite show is Dragonball Z Kai, but the oldest is all about Footloose, Twilight, teen angst drivel...

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Boys right?

My youngest is down with anything involving fighting as long as it is cartoonish fighting, which I suspect this is all about. Her favorite show is Dragonball Z Kai, but the oldest is all about Footloose, Twilight, teen angst drivel...

Yep, boys. They're into the Marvel movies (really looking forward to Avengers), and typical action movies. We just bought a Dragonball Z Kai game for the PS3. It's funny, my wife is into that Twilight crap. I tell her that real vampires don't use excessive hair gel and shimmer in the sunlight. I get the rolled eyes look back with the sarcastic "real" vampires, huh. Then I say, there can be only one daywalker!

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I get the rolled eyes look back with the sarcastic "real" vampires, huh. Then I say, there can be only one daywalker!

Love it! Wanna see what happens NEXT!

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Poor results so far... it's gonna have to be very strong overseas...

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how is the 3d in this? cutting edge or just the usual garbage?

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how is the 3d in this? cutting edge or just the usual garbage?

I saw the 3D IMAX trailer for John Carter in a brand new IMAX theater, which has the largest digital IMAX screen in the country. I thought the trailer looked muddy and that the 3D effects were unimpressive.
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I hope Battleship and Prometheus are good..

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Yep, boys. They're into the Marvel movies (really looking forward to Avengers), and typical action movies.

Which makes you wonder WHY Disney didn't do a Marvel movie.
Afterall, they OWN Marvel now....


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It's funny, my wife is into that Twilight crap. I tell her that real vampires don't use excessive hair gel and shimmer in the sunlight. I get the rolled eyes look back with the sarcastic "real" vampires, huh. Then I say, there can be only one daywalker!

I enjoy the Twilight series...there, I said it.
It isn't great, but OK to sit thru IMO (although the last one dragged a little).

BTW, where the he!! is my Blade BD set?

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OK, I saw the premier showing in 3D with D-Box motion seating. I would say:

1) Skip the 3D presentation in favor of the 2D version. This movie was shot in 2D and converted to 3D. Most of the scenes are composited and have foreground/intermediate/background deliniation, three distinct levels, which looks pretty fake, and not at all like a movie actually captured in 3D.

2) The D-Box encoding isn't so great either - not BAD exactly, but not above average, and not present for the bulk of the movie, it's just used for shock and emphasis, and IF I were to view this again, I'd do my favorite trick of sitting just behind the D-Box section, and using the seats in effect as bass shakers.

I saw a RealD D-Cinema print on a Sony CineAlta 4K projector. The information in IMDB is wrong - the 3D presentation was in fact in an AR of 2.35:1. Audio was adequate, a good center stage and clear vocals, not a lot of surround content and distinctly light on the bass effects.

The outdoor shots are Utah with a color filter that gives Barsoom (Mars) a distinctly yellowish tone - but it's Utah (I go Jeeping there a lot). At least they avoided Monument Valley in favor of some less commonly seen areas - I'm weary of seeing the same recognizable rocks in every film. The exterior urban shots and soundstage were made at Shepperton Film Studios in the UK. The problem being, they were supposed to be in post Civil War Virginia - and instead they have that distinctly Victorian England look.

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The plot is lifted fairly straight from the books. A band of Apaches do in fact chase JC into a "Cave or Gold" where a few syllables of Barsoomian transport him to Barsoom.

Political correctness abounds. Instead of being a gorgeous and entirely naked captive of the Green Men, the Princess kicks butt, and is second only to JC himself in swordsmanship. Half or more of the warriors appear to be females, judging by the impressive breasts molded into their plastic armor.

JC can jump really, really far. Mars has 1/3rd the gravity of Earth, so he can jump about 300X as high? Apparently so.

The large flying space ships and smaller skycycles work with no apparent mechanisms or engines, except for the (vaguely steampunk in appearance) control mechanisms. What the heck, this is fantasy not SF.

A frantic pace is maintained in most of the scenes, and comic relief is provided by the Tharks (Green Men). An unrecognizable Willem Dafoe plays Tars Tarkus, Jeddak (King) of the Green Men.

My favorite character was a slobbering, entirely animated six-legged dog.

They obviously left room for several sequels.


Overall, a solid "B" movie, made with a big budget that shows, that will not disappoint in entertainment value.

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I enjoy the Twilight series...there, I said it.
It isn't great, but OK to sit thru IMO (although the last one dragged a little).

You are truly brave. I managed to get through the first film and the first book in the Twilight series but was so unimpressed, I, gave up on the rest of the series.
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OK, I saw the premier showing in 3D with D-Box motion seating. I would say:

1) Skip the 3D presentation in favor of the 2D version. This movie was shot in 2D and converted to 3D. Most of the scenes are composited and have foreground/intermediate/background deliniation, three distinct levels, which looks pretty fake, and not at all like a movie actually captured in 3D.

2) The D-Box encoding isn't so great either - not BAD exactly, but not above average, and not present for the bulk of the movie, it's just used for shock and emphasis, and IF I were to view this again, I'd do my favorite trick of sitting just behind the D-Box section, and using the seats in effect as bass shakers.

I saw a RealD D-Cinema print on a Sony CineAlta 4K projector. The information in IMDB is wrong - the 3D presentation was in fact in an AR of 2.35:1. Audio was adequate, a good center stage and clear vocals, not a lot of surround content and distinctly light on the bass effects.

The outdoor shots are Utah with a color filter that gives Barsoom (Mars) a distinctly yellowish tone - but it's Utah (I go Jeeping there a lot). At least they avoided Monument Valley in favor of some less commonly seen areas - I'm weary of seeing the same recognizable rocks in every film. The exterior urban shots and soundstage were made at Shepperton Film Studios in the UK. The problem being, they were supposed to be in post Civil War Virginia - and instead they have that distinctly Victorian England look.

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The plot is lifted fairly straight from the books. A band of Apaches do in fact chase JC into a "Cave or Gold" where a few syllables of Barsoomian transport him to Barsoom.

Political correctness abounds. Instead of being a gorgeous and entirely naked captive of the Green Men, the Princess kicks butt, and is second only to JC himself in swordsmanship. Half or more of the warriors appear to be females, judging by the impressive breasts molded into their plastic armor.

JC can jump really, really far. Mars has 1/3rd the gravity of Earth, so he can jump about 300X as high? Apparently so.

The large flying space ships and smaller skycycles work with no apparent mechanisms or engines, except for the (vaguely steampunk in appearance) control mechanisms. What the heck, this is fantasy not SF.

A frantic pace is maintained in most of the scenes, and comic relief is provided by the Tharks (Green Men). An unrecognizable Willem Dafoe plays Tars Tarkus, Jeddak (King) of the Green Men.

My favorite character was a slobbering, entirely animated six-legged dog.

They obviously left room for several sequels.


Overall, a solid "B" movie, made with a big budget that shows, that will not disappoint in entertainment value.

Nice review. Curious to see the box office #'s for the weekend

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I saw the 3D IMAX trailer for John Carter in a brand new IMAX theater, which has the largest digital IMAX screen in the country. I thought the trailer looked muddy and that the 3D effects were unimpressive.

2nd that..no surprise it was cooked on. Now the Hobbit's 3D looks awesome!
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I loved it... I'll pre-order the 3D version when it is available...
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I enjoy the Twilight series...there, I said it.
It isn't great, but OK to sit thru IMO (although the last one dragged a little).

Have to admit i don't mind it either. I watch it with my wife she got me into it.

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Have to admit i don't mind it either. I watch it with my wife she got me into it.


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Took the family to see this tonight. We saw it in RealD 3D. I have to admit, I didn't mind the 3D at all. It wasn't "muddy" or overly dim like some 3D films can look. My kids and I really enjoyed it, and were quite entertained. My wife thought the movie moved too slow for her liking. But then she is a fan of Twilight so her say doesn't count. I will defininty be getting this on blu.

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Took the family to see this tonight. We saw it in RealD 3D. I have to admit, I didn't mind the 3D at all. It wasn't "muddy" or overly dim like some 3D films can look. I will defininty be getting this on blu.

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Took the family to see this tonight. We saw it in RealD 3D. I have to admit, I didn't mind the 3D at all. It wasn't "muddy" or overly dim like some 3D films can look. My kids and I really enjoyed it, and were quite entertained. My wife thought the movie moved too slow for her liking. But then she is a fan of Twilight so her say doesn't count. I will defininty be getting this on blu.

Cool ill buy this on a blind buy.

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I liked the movie a fun action sf movie.I did not like how it turns out how he got there though.
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You are truly brave. I managed to get through the first film and the first book in the Twilight series but was so unimpressed, I, gave up on the rest of the series.

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neither did I.

I am a "fan" of Disney...take a look at what they have accomplished!
Sure, there has been "turkeys."
However, there have been so many homeruns.

NOW, they own Pixar AND Marvel...

Even after JC and The Lone Ranger, they may be down...but not "out."

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I am a "fan" of Disney...take a look at what they have accomplished!
Sure, there has been "turkeys."
However, there have been so many homeruns.

NOW, they own Pixar AND Marvel...

Even after JC and The Lone Ranger, they may be down...but not "out."

Im a very big fan of Disney. I have most pixar titles on blu ray, I enjoy the 3 POTC and all the Marvel too.

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Nice review. Curious to see the box office #'s for the weekend

Saw a piece in the online edition of the L.A. Times last night, which said the early box office numbers indicate that John Carter is on track to lose $165 million. Yikes!
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Saw a piece in the online edition of the L.A. Times last night, which said the early box office numbers indicate that John Carter is on track to lose $165 million. Yikes!

Thats no good.

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Saw a piece in the online edition of the L.A. Times last night, which said the early box office numbers indicate that John Carter is on track to lose $165 million. Yikes!

I think people just don't know what to make of this thing, which is tough because they need a blockbuster audience to turn a profit.

It's a tough film to market. The original source material isn't as widely known as EGB's Tarzan, they couldn't really settle on a title (all the "Mars" titles were rejected supposedly because Mars Needs Moms failed) and the trailer looks really uninspiring. I agree that the original stories were a hoot and had potential, but I think this was just destined to fail.

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It's a tough film to market. The original source material isn't as widely known as EGB's Tarzan, they couldn't really settle on a title (all the "Mars" titles were rejected supposedly because Mars Needs Moms failed) and the trailer looks really uninspiring. I agree that the original stories were a hoot and had potential, but I think this was just destined to fail.

Kids don't know and/or don't care a damn thing about John Carter From Mars or The Lone Ranger.

Why would Disney spend so much coin on a couple of films that would appeal primarily to old codgers (AVSers?)???
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Kids don't know and/or don't care a damn thing about John Carter From Mars or The Lone Ranger.

Why would Disney spend so much coin on a couple of films that would appeal primarily to old codgers (AVSers?)???
Someone should be fired....if for nothing else as a matter of principle.

Actually I've never heard of John Carter until now with its trailers and posters plastered over some bus stops.

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Saw a piece in the online edition of the L.A. Times last night, which said the early box office numbers indicate that John Carter is on track to lose $165 million. Yikes!

I bet/hope they get big numbers over seas to help out.

A lot of very interesting movies coming up with Avengers, DarkNight,Hobbit, Brave, Prometheus...

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