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Actually I've never heard of John Carter until now with its trailers and posters plastered over some bus stops.

Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote "pulp fiction" which was printed in black text with a few black "woodcut" line drawings on really cheap pulp paper which started to yellow immediately (like old newspapers). The pulps were a nickle apiece and inspired many late 19th and early 20th Century authors, Samuel Clemens among them. This was the equivalent of comic books from the post Civil War era right up until the 1940s when they figured out how to print in four colored ink and staple on a glossy cover of magazine-quality paper for 5 cents an issue. The comics evolved into "graphic novels" thanks mainly to Marvel Comics and artist Stan Lee. Video Games replaced graphic novels, and the CGI fest movies of today are graphic novels for the digital generation.

In the 1960's, Ace reprinted ERB's Mars novels - plus Tarzan, Pellucidar, Carson of Venus, and all his other characters - in paperbacks that cost $.35 or $.50 each - I had quite a collection. But if you didn't read the originals as a teenager, don't bother, they won't hold an adult's interest.

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I bet/hope they get big numbers over seas to help out.

A lot of very interesting movies coming up with Avengers, DarkNight,Hobbit, Brave, Prometheus...

They showed the trailer for Brave before JC. This is the first Pixar film I'm not excited to see. In fact, this has "rental" written all over it.

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Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote "pulp fiction" which was printed in black text with a few black "woodcut" line drawings on really cheap pulp paper which started to yellow immediately (like old newspapers). The pulps were a nickle apiece and inspired many late 19th and early 20th Century authors, Samuel Clemens among them. This was the equivalent of comic books from the post Civil War era right up until the 1940s when they figured out how to print in four colored ink and staple on a glossy cover of magazine-quality paper for 5 cents an issue. The comics evolved into "graphic novels" thanks mainly to Marvel Comics and artist Stan Lee. Video Games replaced graphic novels, and the CGI fest movies of today are graphic novels for the digital generation.

In the 1960's, Ace reprinted ERB's Mars novels - plus Tarzan, Pellucidar, Carson of Venus, and all his other characters - in paperbacks that cost $.35 or $.50 each - I had quite a collection. But if you didn't read the originals as a teenager, don't bother, they won't hold an adult's interest.

I thought it was Ballantine. I remember snapping them up and later all the Tarzan books. From about 14, I went through Conan, John Carter, Doc Savage (always loved those covers) and Tarzan. I ran out of gas on ERB after a couple of Pellucidar stories. I think I picked up Carson of Venus, but never finished. In the 70s, there was a Doc Savage movie starring Ron Eli (TVs Tarzan) which I liked and a couple of B epic Pellucidar movies with Doug McClure (bad but enjoyable). You probably saw them too.

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I think it was Ballantine also, I went through them all along with the Gor books a little later...
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a couple of B epic Pellucidar movies with Doug McClure (bad but enjoyable). You probably saw them too.

"Hi, I'm Troy McClure, you might remember me from...." (classic Simpsons gag).

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Despite receiving a B+ CinemaScore, Disney's tentpole John Carter is faltering out of the gate at the domestic box office, where it's now anticipating a tepid $27 million debut after grossing $9.8 million on Friday.

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Ouch.

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Looks like we will see this on blu very soon.

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This is too bad. JC is a fun, entertaining movie. The Disney marketing machine really dropped the ball on this one.

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The Disney marketing machine really dropped the ball on this one.

Like I said before, it was an uphill battle. A "huh?" source material for 99% of moviegoers, a trailer that doesn't make it stand out from any other action movie from the last few years, and a title that sounds like it would be iconic but again, 99% don't recognize it. I'm sure it's an entertaining film, but it is a lesson on marketing for the masses.

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Like I said before, it was an uphill battle. A "huh?" source material for 99% of moviegoers, a trailer that doesn't make it stand out from any other action movie from the last few years, and a title that sounds like it would be iconic but again, 99% don't recognize it. I'm sure it's an entertaining film, but it is a lesson on marketing for the masses.

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There was an ad I saw recently that said "Before there was Avatar, before there was Star Wars, there was the story that inspired them all..." or something to that effect anyway. Was much more intriguing and effective then the cookie-cutter fantasy/action/epic trailers they've been cranking out.
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Like I said before, it was an uphill battle. A "huh?" source material for 99% of moviegoers, a trailer that doesn't make it stand out from any other action movie from the last few years, and a title that sounds like it would be iconic but again, 99% don't recognize it. I'm sure it's an entertaining film, but it is a lesson on marketing for the masses.

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I'll be going to see the 3D sometime during the week...

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I'll be going to see the 3D sometime during the week...

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if you didn't read the originals as a teenager, don't bother, they won't hold an adult's interest.

I read them for the first time last summer, and found them to be an enjoyable read. I'll watch the movie to see the character brought to the screen.
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Did I mention my wife is "dragging" me to it?

Then she gets the card...

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John carter is a type of movie that will do much better when it's released on video.
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So anyone seen it yet?

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Didn't Waboman see it? His posts seem to indicate that he did.

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Just got back from a true IMAX 3D showing. The 3D was a mixed bag. Fast moving scenes blurred out due to conversion. I told my wife we won't do the IMAX thing again unless it's shot in 3D. The film, at least for me, was pure pleasure. Stanton told and changed just enough of the story. Had he added any more then critics already complaining about the pacing would have had a field day. For me, it provided just enough backstory to identify with JC and the world of Barsoom and deftly pinned the introduction to the end of the film. Kitsch owned the role, not without a few hiccups, but he has charisma and charm. Lynne Collins, even though playing a 2D archetype, was translucent and quite fetching with a spray tan and red tatoos. The Tharks are interesting and entertaining. Woola was superb. There's a story there folks, just not FX. My wife felt it dragged some, but then we got there shortly before screening, went through 20 minutes of First Look, then a half dozen trailers including about 10 other delays...so the 1:30 start time ended up around 2PM. Since I never thought I'd see this story, I'm giving it higher marks than it probably deserves. However, it's an extremely solid effort and if you have any attachment to it, you're going to love it.

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Didn't Waboman see it? His posts seem to indicate that he did.

Indeed I did see it.

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Two questions: Was it good? And was it $250 million good? (Subjective, to be sure, but still begs the question.)

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John carter is a type of movie that will do much better when it's released on video.

I'm still not convinced it would bring it into the black, unless there is tremendous word of mouth between now and the DVD/BD/streaming release.

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Two questions: Was it good? And was it $250 million good? (Subjective, to be sure, but still begs the question.)

Yes, it was good. Both my kids and I enjoyed it. A very fun movie, IMO. Will you find the meaning of life hidden in there? Of course not. But you will find 2-hours of good ol' fashioned entertainment.

FWIW, it has made over $100 million with overseas taken into account. It's only been out for a weekend. Lets not be too quick to write it off just yet. I for one would like to see a sequel.

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Yes, it was good. Both my kids and I enjoyed it. A very fun movie, IMO. Will you find the meaning of life hidden in there? Of course not. But you will find 2-hours of good ol' fashioned entertainment.

FWIW, it has made over $100 million with overseas taken into account. It's only been out for a weekend. Lets not be too quick to write it off just yet. I for one would like to see a sequel.

No question...the ending plus the dialog between JC and Matai Shang in the 3rd act was very well done and intrigueing. It's so well setup for continuance. The Therns are setup to be very interesting bad guys with tough abilities to overcome. Since the archetype needs overwhelming odds, then the ending plus the foe should draw interest.

I'm thinking this one will do better internationally than domestically. Smarter audience maybe?

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I agree it's not doing too shabby, but Disney bet the farm on this (granted, they have more than one farm) and a $30 domestic weekend BO was below expectations. And it wasn't the number one movie. That can't be good going into a Monday morning board meeting.

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Whoever decided to drop the "...of Mars" needs to be fired. Can't see the reason for it, and there's a good possibility a large number of potential viewers won't know what it's about.
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The two reasons I've heard for dropping "of Mars" was 1) Mars Needs Moms failed, so Mars titles are verboten for now and 2) they did some tests or something and found that including "of Mars" didn't trend well with female moviegoers.

Both of those sound insane, but they also sound like they're in the wheelhouse for a Hollywood marketing department.

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