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If there is anything I don't need is to have my cynicism regarding politics reinforced.
It's quite healthy, as it is.

I'm skipping this movie and giving my blood pressure a break.
However, I'll leave you with a joke I heard this morning:

"Everyone has heard Cheney got a heart transplant yesterday, but that's an impossibility....the hospital news release had it all wrong, he could only have had a heart implant."

Very funny I'm sure in trogland, yet here is another of your drive by post and when someone takes your bait you pretend to abide by the rules, I'm surprised Larry has been falling for your bs.

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For example, it's pretty hard to take seriously the political opinions of a multimillionaire movie star who intentionally gets himself arrested as a protest to . . . what was it again Clooney was protesting?

He was arrested for protesting at the Sudan embassy against the actions the Sudanese government is taking against its civilians.

If Clooney is only 1/10th as sincere as he appears in interviews, then you've got nothing to complain about, IMHO. He's basically said that he feels very lucky to be in the position he's in, and he feels he has a responsibility to use it to shine a light on things that should be part of the public discourse but aren't being adequately reported on by the media. And by publicizing the events in Sudan he seems to be choosing wisely, unlike some of the idiotic things some other stars have been been known to push.

He's also building a really good track record of working in thoughtful, intelligent pictures, often doing so (he claims) for union scale in order to make it financially possible to tell a story he thinks is worth telling. And if I'm not mistaken Ides of March is one of the latter.

He's a class act, or at least he sure looks to be one.
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Here we go again. You guys, thehun, gwsat, zoey, lwright, and others, can throw around your viewpoints, yet if I or anyone else attempts to counter them and call them for the BS we think they are we are the ones labeled as those who can’t control themselves. We are the ones who are the demise of the thread. We are the bad guys. People can post that so and so is Hitler and a socialist and that is okay, but try and counter that narrow-minded stupidity, and we are the ones who are baiting people? Go back to the beginning of this thread and see who threw out the first barb. Yet we are the ones who are baiting? Give me a f**king break.

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He was arrested for protesting at the Sudan embassy against the actions the Sudanese government is taking against its civilians.

If Clooney is only 1/10th as sincere as he appears in interviews, then you've got nothing to complain about, IMHO. He's basically said that he feels very lucky to be in the position he's in, and he feels he has a responsibility to use it to shine a light on things that should be part of the public discourse but aren't being adequately reported on by the media. And by publicizing the events in Sudan he seems to be choosing wisely, unlike some of the idiotic things some other stars have been been known to push.

He's also building a really good track record of working in thoughtful, intelligent pictures, often doing so (he claims) for union scale in order to make it financially possible to tell a story he thinks is worth telling. And if I'm not mistaken Ides of March is one of the latter.

He's a class act, or at least he sure looks to be one.

Well said, Sean. Compassion, empathy, and understanding used to mean something in this country. Now, those are viewed as a flaw, as a weakness. The same people that espouse Christian virtues look down on those that actually put those teachings into action. They let their political bias and jealousy get in the way.
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Very funny I'm sure in trogland, yet here is another of your drive by post and when someone takes your bait you pretend to abide by the rules, I'm surprised Larry has been falling for your bs.

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Here we go again. You guys, thehun, gwsat, zoey, lwright, and others, can throw around your viewpoints, yet if I or anyone else attempts to counter them and call them for the BS we think they are we are the ones labeled as those who can't control themselves. We are the ones who are the demise of the thread. We are the bad guys. People can post that so and so is Hitler and a socialist and that is okay, but try and counter that narrow-minded stupidity, and we are the ones who are baiting people? Go back to the beginning of this thread and see who threw out the first barb. Yet we are the ones who are baiting? Give me a f**king break.

Well said, Sean. Compassion, empathy, and understanding used to mean something in this country. Now, those are viewed as a flaw, as a weakness. The same people that espouse Christian virtues look down on those that actually put those teachings into action. They let their political bias and jealousy get in the way.

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He was arrested for protesting at the Sudan embassy against the actions the Sudanese government is taking against its civilians.

If Clooney is only 1/10th as sincere as he appears in interviews, then you've got nothing to complain about, IMHO. He's basically said that he feels very lucky to be in the position he's in, and he feels he has a responsibility to use it to shine a light on things that should be part of the public discourse but aren't being adequately reported on by the media. And by publicizing the events in Sudan he seems to be choosing wisely, unlike some of the idiotic things some other stars have been been known to push.

He's also building a really good track record of working in thoughtful, intelligent pictures, often doing so (he claims) for union scale in order to make it financially possible to tell a story he thinks is worth telling. And if I'm not mistaken Ides of March is one of the latter.

He's a class act, or at least he sure looks to be one.

My point in observing that I have a hard time taking seriously the political positions of Clooney or any other Hollywood actor has nothing to do with his good faith. I give him credit for that. My opinion stems from not caring what, more often than not poorly educated, movie stars think about any political issue.

Like so many others, Clooney is a college dropout. I understand why he did drop out, though. If I had possessed his looks and talent, I probably would have dropped out and gone to Hollywood too. Either way, though, you would never catch me intentionally getting arrested to make a political point. As noted in posts earlier in this thread, I loved The Ides of March and thought Clooney did a great job of both directing and acting.
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My opinion stems from not caring what, more often than not poorly educated, movie stars think about any political issue.

Like so many others, Clooney is a college dropout. I understand why he did drop out, though. If I had possessed his looks and talent, I probably would have dropped out and gone to Hollywood too.

Why do you think he's poorly educated about political issues just because he dropped out of college? Or works in Hollywood? One can argue with his resources and connections that he's better educated about some things than the majority of people.

A lot of the films he directs/creates he has to research, often beyond what you can get on newspaper/news website headlines or cable news shows, which is what the majority of people only access. (Don't get me started on what a joke all the cable news networks are. People who watch a five minute segment on CNN or Fox News or whatever and suddenly think they're experts drive me up the wall.)

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Wow. This film made me laugh.

At it.

What a complete fantasy-land Clooney lives in. Yeah, the film looked good and performances were good, but the story... How I wish I could opine, but alas, I cannot.

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Here we go again. You guys, thehun, gwsat, zoey, lwright, and others, can throw around your viewpoints, yet if I or anyone else attempts to counter them and call them for the BS we think they are we are the ones labeled as those who can't control themselves. We are the ones who are the demise of the thread. We are the bad guys. People can post that so and so is Hitler and a socialist and that is okay, but try and counter that narrow-minded stupidity, and we are the ones who are baiting people? Go back to the beginning of this thread and see who threw out the first barb. Yet we are the ones who are baiting? Give me a f**king break.



Commenting on something that has nothing to do with the movie is what I was pointing out, anything in the movie is fair game including it's creators. Before you appoint yourself of the warrior of fairness, maybe you should get a grip of basic logic here, thanks.

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OK, now you're gettin' nasty.
Lemme me know if there is another website where discussing politics with me is acceptable for ya...I'm always game.



Nasty? So how would you describe your low blow then? BTW I have no love for DC, but making fun of his health should be beneath you
and is hardly a political discussion, nor has anything to do with this film at all.

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Folks, if you're not here to discuss the movie itself and other things that relate to AVS, please don't post. And, enough of the whining and the bickering.

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Why do you think he's poorly educated about political issues just because he dropped out of college? Or works in Hollywood? One can argue with his resources and connections that he's better educated about some things than the majority of people.

I'm sure that's true, but certainly didn't come across in this movie.
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A lot of the films he directs/creates he has to research, often beyond what you can get on newspaper/news website headlines or cable news shows, which is what the majority of people only access. (Don't get me started on what a joke all the cable news networks are. People who watch a five minute segment on CNN or Fox News or whatever and suddenly think they're experts drive me up the wall.)

Once again his wealth didn't help him to come up with anything we didn't already know or heard in the MSM.

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I'm sure that's true [that Clooney is well informed], but certainly didn't come across in this movie.

I agree that Clooney is a bright, talented guy and am convinced his lack of formal education was not the result of a shortage of intellect. Although The Ides of March is not terribly original, it is so bravely meanspirited I loved it anyway. It takes both nerve and talent to make a film entertaining that is filled with as many breathtakingly flawed characters as The Ides of March. I thought Clooney pulled it off, though. Just talking about it here makes me want to see it again.
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Nasty? So how would you describe your low blow then? BTW I have no love for DC, but making fun of his health should be beneath you
and is hardly a political discussion, nor has anything to do with this film at all.

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...you would never catch me intentionally getting arrested to make a political point.

He wasn't trying to make a political point, he was trying to make a humanitarian point. He believes that all people, regardless of their political affiliation, should view the events in the Sudan as reprehensible.

Similarly, The Ides of March is not trying to argue in favour of one political party or another - it's trying to say that the political process itself is flawed.

These are not political positions, they're an attempt to get people thinking about issues that are important to all of us. Movies are one way to do that, protests are another. I personally think movies are more effective, but that's for another discussion...
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Guys, if you want to petition The-Powers-That-Be for a sub-forum on AVS devoted to movies with political themes...sign me up.
Otherwise, let's just agree to not discuss these types of films...

I am simply tired of this same ol' circular firing squad, where no one gets anywhere and posts are deleted and threads locked.
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An off-topic forum here at AVS has been requested in the past. And the answer is obvious. If you guys want to "discuss" these types of things at a another site I don't think there would be a problem posting a link to the site so you all can herd over there and have at it.

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Guys, if you want to petition The-Powers-That-Be for a sub-forum on AVS devoted to movies with political themes...sign me up.
Otherwise, let's just agree to not discuss these types of films...

I am simply tired of this same ol' circular firing squad, where no one gets anywhere and posts are deleted and threads locked.
I got better things to do...

LOL If only people who actually saw this film would comment half the problems would be solved right there.

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Fantastic film, i really enjoyed this. Im glad i finally watched this. Ryan did a great job as well as George and Philip seymour Hoffman.

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Fantastic film, i really enjoyed this. Im glad i finally watched this. Ryan did a great job as well as George and Philip seymour Hoffman.
Frank -- Really glad you enjoyed The Ides of March. As noted in earlier posts, I worry that others will be turned off by the film's darkness and cynicism. I was pleased to learn that the film's sometimes difficult subject matter didn't spoil it for you.
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Frank -- Really glad you enjoyed The Ides of March. As noted in earlier posts, I worry that others will be turned off by the film's darkness and cynicism. I was pleased to learn that the film's sometimes difficult subject matter didn't spoil it for you.

I liked Ryans Gosling character Stephen Myers and the situation he put himself in, also the turn of events happening through the film made even more interesting with all the characters involved.

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