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I've been in the entertainment industry all my life. First with music and then with video games, the latter with some associations with folks in the movie industry.

Entertainment executives do know that it is a crap shoot. What they try to do is lessen the crap shoot effect with timing and marketing. But audiences can be fickle. You can have a product that tests well but fails at the box office.

These days audiences, as they did during the Great Depression, are trying to escape the reality around them by going to the multiplexes even if the films have received poor reviews. And some movie execs will realize that and not think they can keep dishing out drivel and still get audiences.

Please define "drivel" movies. List some titles that you think apply.
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These days audiences, as they did during the Great Depression, are trying to escape the reality around them by going to the multiplexes even if the films have received poor reviews. And some movie execs will realize that and not think they can keep dishing out drivel and still get audiences.

Well said....and insightful.

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Hmm, reminds me of this.

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A practical look at why Cowboys & Aliens costs over 9,500 times more than independent hit Bellflower; and also what is wrong with modern day cinema.

http://www.film.com/movies/logical-r...r-cost-to-make
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Charlie Kaufman's New Script Takes on Hollywood: A 'Cancerous Lie-Spewing Machine'

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/id...11004?irpc=932
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Charlie Kaufman's New Script Takes on Hollywood: A 'Cancerous Lie-Spewing Machine'

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/id...11004?irpc=932

Sounds like he is a wee bit bitter over the lack of public adulation for his prior movies...

Ahhhhhh, poor Charlie-boy...

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Universal admits to making sh*tty movies:

http://www.slashfilm.com/universal-s...and-lost-crap/

We make a lot of ****** movies… Every one of them breaks my heart… We set out to make good ones.
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Universal admits to making sh*tty movies:

http://www.slashfilm.com/universal-s...and-lost-crap/

We make a lot of ****** movies… Every one of them breaks my heart… We set out to make good ones.

This link tops off my day....

Dissembling has never been done better...
It's NOT his fault!

"Cowboys & Aliens was a big loss, and Land of the Lost was a huge loss. We misfired. We were wrong. We did it badly, and I think we’re all guilty of it."
Yep, those terrible "we" people did it....

As if no one around here hasn't noticed beforehand, the buck DOESN'T stop at the top at Universal.
All those "crappy" movies he identified (and he greenlighted BTW) were NOT his fault!
Pushing a technological inferior HD disk format that failed to take hold was NOT his fault!
All those sh_tty HD-DVD and BD releases are/were NOT his fault!

I love how the article begins with: He’s a US Marine who co-founded the Creative Artists Agency (CAA)
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US Marines shirk responsibility of their own actions?
Uh no....sorry pal, nice try.

IMO, Mr. Meyer's tenure as Chairman at Universal has been about 15 years too long.

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1. Inaudible dialogue - Agree.
The dialog is inaudible, yet I have to wear earplugs from the moment I get in to a theater. Even in the restroom the sound is blaring.

2. The multiplex - Agree.
We don't have a proper theater anywhere near Altair IV. I go to the movies maybe once a year. This is why we bought a giant TV.

3. This. - I dunno. Haven't see any of his flicks.

4. Too many toys for film makers to play with - Agree.
Two words: George Lucas

5. Spoiler-filled trailers - Agree!
I used to love previews for giving a taste of the film. Now you see the preview and it saves you the price of going to see it.

6. Shaky cameras - Agree+++++++++++++++!!!!!
When will this worn out, overused (and abused) trend die? It is as lingering and annoying as young men wearing pants falling off their butts.

7. An unwillingness to end a story - Mixed Feelings.
I can't wait for the next Godzilla movie...

8. Movies that go on for too long - Mixed Feelings.
There are many films that I wish would never end. And some films that, at 90 minutes, are about 80 minutes too long.

9. Too much reverence, not enough originality - Mixed feelings.
At my advanced age, I can appreciate nods to older films and styles. Most of the time anyway.

10. The audience - I guess I agree.
My main gripe with audiences is how they (don't) behave in theaters. (But, that is a whole nother thread...)

I blame it all on Famous Monsters of Filmland!
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Pushing a technological inferior HD disk format that failed to take hold was NOT his fault!

Oink, the format war has been over for almost four goddamn years. You need to let it go already. To say you're a broken record would be an insult to broken records.

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Well, this is extremely interesting: http://www.movies.com/movie-news/rea...&wssaffid=news
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Well, this is extremely interesting: http://www.movies.com/movie-news/rea...&wssaffid=news

And Disney just green-lit THE LONE RANGER for $210 million. A western no less!
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And Disney just green-lit THE LONE RANGER for $210 million. A western no less!

Between that and John Carter From Mars' ballooning budget, they've dropped about $600 million on two films that most people just wont care about.
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Oink, the format war has been over for almost four goddamn years. You need to let it go already. To say you're a broken record would be an insult to broken records.

Sorry, you're right.

From my POV, the problem is one of credibility going forward (or a lack thereof).

I can still recall the posts of people (still around here, BTW) and their sycophantic crap about the OTHER format.
They (and their masters) quite nearly ended the possibility for consumers to have and enjoy real HD optical disks in their HTs.
And you know that....

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At least HD-DVD didn't have region locking.

Playing devil's advocate slightly here.
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At least HD-DVD didn't have region locking.

Playing devil's advocate slightly here.

One of many reasons why not all of the studios jumped on the HD-DVD bandwagon....

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The problem with modern cinema has nothing to do with formats. I rather watch Raiders on laserdisc, then GI Joe on Imax.

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The problem with modern cinema has nothing to do with formats. I rather watch Raiders on laserdisc, then GI Joe on Imax.

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They (and their masters) quite nearly ended the possibility for consumers to have and enjoy real HD optical disks in their HTs.

Huh. I seem to recall hundreds of HD optical discs being released in 2006 and 2007 as the two formats each raced to out-do each other.

I also recall that Blu-ray was a total crap format in its first year. Lousy, overpriced hardware. Terrible title selection. Awful quality discs with little to no supplemental content carried over from the DVD editions. No support in the players for features that should have been standard from Day 1.

Blu-ray eventually got better, but it took a damn long time to get there.

Funny how certain people have chosen not to remember any of that.

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And they're still region locked. That hadn't improved. It's kinda of a step backwards.
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Huh. I seem to recall hundreds of HD optical discs being released in 2006 and 2007 as the two formats each raced to out-do each other.

I also recall that Blu-ray was a total crap format in its first year. Lousy, overpriced hardware. Terrible title selection. Awful quality discs with little to no supplemental content carried over from the DVD editions. No support in the players for features that should have been standard from Day 1.

Blu-ray eventually got better, but it took a damn long time to get there.

Funny how certain people have chosen not to remember any of that.

It's also funny how some people.....
Oh, forget it....I'm too busy to offer a line-by-line counter.

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Both HD-DVD and BD were plagued with image quality issues during early years. Warner also primarily used Dolby lossy STs, and that issue still comes up from time to time.
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Both HD-DVD and BD were plagued with image quality issues during early years.

I think that (and other things) might have slipped Josh's mind.


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Warner also primarily used Dolby lossy STs, and that issue still comes up from time to time.

Don't get me startedddddddddd......

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Both HD-DVD and BD were plagued with image quality issues during early years. Warner also primarily used Dolby lossy STs, and that issue still comes up from time to time.

I never said that HD DVD was perfect. Glitchy Toshiba hardware was my biggest problem with the format. I still can't get a damn Combo disc to play all the way through without freezing. However, the format undeniably had a much stronger launch than Blu-ray.

Compare the initial wave of discs from both sides. HD DVD had great-looking editions of Serenity, Training Day and The Last Samurai, all of which included the full complement of bonus features from the earlier DVDs. Blu-ray had embarrassingly bad, bare-bones copies of The Fifth Element, House of Flying Daggers and Crash. The best disc of that wave (The Terminator) was virutally indistinguishable from the DVD upconverted. It's amazing that Blu-ray survived at all. It had the worst product launch since the Edsel.

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I never said that HD DVD was perfect. Glitchy Toshiba hardware was my biggest problem with the format.

By comparison, the Panasonic BD10 was its exact opposite.


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However, the format undeniably had a much stronger launch than Blu-ray.

Software-wise, I agree.


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It's amazing that Blu-ray survived at all. It had the worst product launch since the Edsel.

Hyperbole aside, yes, BD did get off to a less than stellar start.
HD-DVD left the gate first and the BD consortium felt they had no choice but to go too (in spite of not really being ready for primetime).

The death of HD-DVD was simply a matter of numbers....not enough studios, not enough hardware manufacturers, not enough GBs per disk.

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So it all worked out.

Now only if we didn't have a problem with modern day cinemas.

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By comparison, the Panasonic BD10 was its exact opposite.

For the first six months of the Blu-ray format's existence, the only player available was the POS Samsung BDP-1000, which had non-defeatable DNR turned to maximum. Retail price: $999. I bought one at Best Buy on Day 1.

(Ironically, most of that first wave of discs look even worse on players without DNR. Maybe Samsung was onto something.)

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Hyperbole aside, yes, BD did get off to a less than stellar start.
HD-DVD left the gate first and the BD consortium felt they had no choice but to go too (in spite of not really being ready for primetime).

Ask yourself how long it would have taken Blu-ray to get ready for primetime without a competitor breathing down its neck.

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The death of HD-DVD was simply a matter of numbers....not enough studios, not enough hardware manufacturers, not enough GBs per disk.

I don't disagree with any of this. Nonetheless, the repeated harping on these old format war arguments is tiring.

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The PS3 and inferior studio support / title library is what eventually killed HD-DVD.
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Yeah, Sony released the PS3 at the exact right time, in that it gave a whole market segment access to Blu-ray as a bonus to the games. And it needed no extra hardware, unlike the 360 that required an addon no one wanted to buy.

You got to remember these were formats for the mass market, and stuff like picture quality takes a back seat to things like available hardware, cost, and available titles.

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