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Do you think Paramount will wait for him? I don't think they will this time. Not saying I don't love his work in both films, I just think they'll probably be anxious to get started on the next one with a new director.
I don't blame them. Four years was a long gap to wait between movies, and it wouldn't hurt to pick up the pace with the next few installments.

'Into Darkness' completes the introductions and relationships started in the first film (the way 'Quantum of Solace' completed the story arc started in 'Casino Royale'). With the crew solidified, the ship is off on its iconic mission. In a loose sense, the last line of this film (Captains oath) is the first line of the '60s TV series. With 'Into Darkness', the prequel portion of the Star Trek franchise is done (this is the film, not the previous one, that seques right into TV show).

With that in mind, it would be refreshing to have a different director provide the vision for the next film. And a different director after that. And so on, keeping it fresh with each movie. I'm sure there are good filmmakers that are also Star Trek fans. Find them! Like Disney found a Star Wars fan to direct 'Episode VII'. Bad Robot productions will likely still be involved (they co-produce movies, like 'Cloverfield' and Ghost Protocol', that aren't directed by JJ).
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Do you think Paramount will wait for him? I don't think they will this time.
Probably not.
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I doubt Abrams will want to direct another Trek. He'll executive produce, but hand off the directing duties to someone else. Abrams has admitted in the past that he grew up a Star Wars fan and was never into Trek. Large chunks of Into Darkness felt like his Star Wars audition reel. Now that he has the Star Wars gig, he'll jump into that and leave Trek behind.
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Exactly why there hasn't and won't be independent flying cars.wink.gif

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Exactly why there hasn't and won't be independent flying cars.wink.gif

Google will eventually when they bring us self-driving cars on their slow slog of world domination.
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The wife dragged me to the local IMAX for a 3D showing today.

Good movie....tons of action.

A little more melodrama than I would have liked...although, we are talking about Star Trek here.wink.gif
A lot of implausible moments, but, again, we are talking about Star Trek.tongue.gif

Fine acting all around, the actors definitely brought there A game.

Appreciated Abrams didn't mis-use the 3D for cheap thrills.
Well done, sir.smile.gif

In spite of the ear-splitting IMAX levels, I enjoyed the presentation and will be buying the BD when available.
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The wife dragged me to the local IMAX for a 3D showing today.

Good movie....tons of action.

A little more melodrama than I would have liked...although, we are talking about Star Trek here.wink.gif
A lot of implausible moments, but, again, we are talking about Star Trek.tongue.gif

My complaint is that it wasn't 'Star Trek', at least the one I used to know. frown.gif

The characters have the same names, but they sure don't act the same. Not that I didn't enjoy the movie for what it was - another pyrotechnic summer blockbuster - but 'Star Trek' at its best (that would exclude 'Voyager' and 'Enterprise', of course), always had more to say about the human condition, the limits of power, idealism about the future, etc. You didn't have to turn off your mind when you turned on the show.

Ah, forgive this curmudgeon and his misplaced nostalgia...
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'Star Trek' at its best (that would exclude 'Voyager' and 'Enterprise', of course), always had more to say about the human condition, the limits of power, idealism about the future, etc. You didn't have to turn off your mind when you turned on the show.
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My complaint is that it wasn't 'Star Trek', at least the one I used to know. frown.gif

The characters have the same names, but they sure don't act the same. Not that I didn't enjoy the movie for what it was - another pyrotechnic summer blockbuster - but 'Star Trek' at its best (that would exclude 'Voyager' and 'Enterprise', of course), always had more to say about the human condition, the limits of power, idealism about the future, etc. You didn't have to turn off your mind when you turned on the show.

Ah, forgive this curmudgeon and his misplaced nostalgia...
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My complaint is that it wasn't 'Star Trek', at least the one I used to know. frown.gif

The characters have the same names, but they sure don't act the same. Not that I didn't enjoy the movie for what it was - another pyrotechnic summer blockbuster - but 'Star Trek' at its best (that would exclude 'Voyager' and 'Enterprise', of course), always had more to say about the human condition, the limits of power, idealism about the future, etc. You didn't have to turn off your mind when you turned on the show.

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+1

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This is why I haven't seen these new Trek movies yet, they look like the Star Wars movies JJ Abrams always wanted to make (before he found out he really was going to make a Star Wars movie), or yet another comic book extravaganza. ST:TOS was actually a bit before my time, but I love it dearly, primitive SFX and all and I hate seeing what it's been turned into.

Oh, I have to laugh at why there are still no flying cars. What's usually not mentioned in SF movies with flying cars is that they're powered by some form of magic ultra-compact anti-gravity device and magic propulsive system. Now, since we don't have either of those right now, a "flying car" built with current technology would be basically an...airplane! Think Harrier jump-jet, or even a helicopter. Now, if you don't want wings or rotors on it, then it would have to rely solely on jump jets, or combined with some form of air-cushion vehicle. The thing would be big and loud and dangerous for anyone without pilot-level training to operate, and of course since it qualifies as an aircaft, it would all under the FAA's control.
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I don't blame them. Four years was a long gap to wait between movies, and it wouldn't hurt to pick up the pace with the next few installments.

'Into Darkness' completes the introductions and relationships started in the first film (the way 'Quantum of Solace' completed the story arc started in 'Casino Royale'). With the crew solidified, the ship is off on its iconic mission. In a loose sense, the last line of this film (Captains oath) is the first line of the '60s TV series. With 'Into Darkness', the prequel portion of the Star Trek franchise is done (this is the film, not the previous one, that seques right into TV show).

With that in mind, it would be refreshing to have a different director provide the vision for the next film. And a different director after that. And so on, keeping it fresh with each movie. I'm sure there are good filmmakers that are also Star Trek fans. Find them! Like Disney found a Star Wars fan to direct 'Episode VII'. Bad Robot productions will likely still be involved (they co-produce movies, like 'Cloverfield' and Ghost Protocol', that aren't directed by JJ).

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Well said, Sanjay. I wonder if they will go about using new directors in the future. Kind of like what they have been doing with the Mission Impossible movies.

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Well, finally got to see this one in glorious Sony digital 4k as part of the AMC chain.

Like the 1st one, I will buy the BR when it comes out. The eye candy scene was silly, but I don't mind.

As for having both Sparks on, well, we did it in the last one, so why not again? Now I need to dig up a copy of Wrath of Khan.

Great entertainment for a sci-fi fan. Considering Father's Day, the cinema at the 9:45 am showing was better than I expected while most of the crow went to see MOS (not for me).
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As for having both Sparks on, well, we did it in the last one, so why not again? Now I need to dig up a copy of Wrath of Khan.

Target had it on sale for $12.99 last week. Needless to say, I took one home!

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My wife and I watched this last night, and we were both really disappointed. We're both Star Trek fans (although my interests shifted more to Star Wars after it came out). She disliked the first Abrams movie, but I thought it was a good solid move in a new direction. My feeling didn't extend to this installment, however.

I'm in agreement with most of the criticisms posted here, but to me this was the most serious:
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The more I think about this movie, the less I like it. I'll defend Lost to the end, including the finale, but Damon Lindelof needs to stop writing movies. Because he sucks at it. He really, really sucks at it. I'm beginning to think that everything good about Lost must have been Carlton Cuse's doing.

This isn't quite as bad as Prometheus. I guess that's something. Sadly, that's about as much faint praise as I can muster for it right now.

Magic blood? Seriously, J.J. Abrams? F*** that noise.
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Of course this means that "death" has been cured in the Star Trek universe, or at least in the Abramverse. Remember, you don't need more of the blood because McCoy synthesised a serum based on the blood. Hopefully, McCoy programed the formula for the serum into the replicator aboard the Enterprise. Red shirts need not be worried ever again. No one will ever die on the 5 year mission. Well, they won't be dead for long.

How do the writers not consider this as they're working on the plot? You may be able to justify it by saying that the same weakness applies with the original series and movie's reliance on the time travel gimmick, so this is no different, but that's just a weak argument. Once these ground rules are set, they seem to either be forgotten or ignored, unless they're convenient.

Other than that, there were so many other weaknesses:

  • The obvious homages to Spielberg/Lucas scenes, such as the opening chase that looks like a redo of the opening of Raiders, or the Han Kirk flying the Falcon ship through the structures on Qo'nos, navigating through the asteroid debris field
  • The non-existant chemistry between Spock and Uhura
  • The twists on the old Star Trek stories that really hurt the movie. The first film did a good job of showing that while these were the same characters in a similar universe, they were ready to strike out on their own. Why not give them a chance to do just that instead of shoveling in a bunch of mashup throwback characters/situations? Let this new series live on it's own
  • The "witty" dialog that's written for cheap laughs. Maybe it's just me, but it felt like they were going for the Joss Whedon school, and failed
  • The old Prime Directive debate played out again, with Spock missing the irony or hypocracy of his own deeds, in an offence that's even more grave than Kirk's action
  • A script that is so overly convoluted that it collapses under it's own weight. The whole shell game with the torpedoes and the revelation of the Vengeance both added too much to what could have been a clever cat-and-mouse chess match. Instead, the motives and changing focus just muddled the story
  • Too many climaxes in the third act. The ending stretched out too long, and it added little to the story.

The Spock characterization as a whole just doesn't work for me. While Quinto looks like Spock, this protrayal just doesn't work for me. The romance between him and Uhura seems forced, and played for it's quirkyness rather than something that feels natural. Additionally, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
the reappearance of Nimoy's character weaken's Quinto's. Not only is the audience reminded of the "real" Spock, the new Spock's reliance on classic Spock's advice brings back the old Prime Directive problem, and also tells us that Quinto's character wouldn't have known what to do on his own. Hardly the decisive and inciteful character we'd expect, and more of a cardboard calculator.

I was really looking forward to this, but it just didn't meet expectations. It'll be interesting to see who they turn this over too, and what direction they take it in.

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Frankly I hope they just stop making them. frown.gif Wishful thinking, I know.

The film cannot take a breath. Everything was a crisis. I am sick and tired of that type of film making. It's just loudness with forced comic one-liners in between set pieces. Star Trek 2's magic blood induced finale was mind numbingly repetitive and worst of all, completely predictable. Did anyone not know the twists and turns before they were unfolded? They were visible from light years away.

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Frankly I hope they just stop making them. frown.gif Wishful thinking, I know.

The film cannot take a breath. Everything was a crisis. I am sick and tired of that type of film making. It's just loudness with forced comic one-liners in between set pieces. Star Trek 2's magic blood induced finale was mind numbingly repetitive and worst of all, completely predictable. Did anyone not know the twists and turns before they were unfolded? They were visible from light years away.

The more I think about this film the more I hate it.
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Other than that, there were so many other weaknesses:

  • The obvious homages to Spielberg/Lucas scenes, such as the opening chase that looks like a redo of the opening of Raiders, or the Han Kirk flying the Falcon ship through the structures on Qo'nos, navigating through the asteroid debris field
  • The non-existant chemistry between Spock and Uhura
  • The twists on the old Star Trek stories that really hurt the movie. The first film did a good job of showing that while these were the same characters in a similar universe, they were ready to strike out on their own. Why not give them a chance to do just that instead of shoveling in a bunch of mashup throwback characters/situations? Let this new series live on it's own
  • The "witty" dialog that's written for cheap laughs. Maybe it's just me, but it felt like they were going for the Joss Whedon school, and failed
  • The old Prime Directive debate played out again, with Spock missing the irony or hypocracy of his own deeds, in an offence that's even more grave than Kirk's action
  • A script that is so overly convoluted that it collapses under it's own weight. The whole shell game with the torpedoes and the revelation of the Vengeance both added too much to what could have been a clever cat-and-mouse chess match. Instead, the motives and changing focus just muddled the story
  • Too many climaxes in the third act. The ending stretched out too long, and it added little to the story.

The Spock characterization as a whole just doesn't work for me. While Quinto looks like Spock, this protrayal just doesn't work for me. The romance between him and Uhura seems forced, and played for it's quirkyness rather than something that feels natural. Additionally, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
the reappearance of Nimoy's character weaken's Quinto's. Not only is the audience reminded of the "real" Spock, the new Spock's reliance on classic Spock's advice brings back the old Prime Directive problem, and also tells us that Quinto's character wouldn't have known what to do on his own. Hardly the decisive and inciteful character we'd expect, and more of a cardboard calculator.

I was really looking forward to this, but it just didn't meet expectations. It'll be interesting to see who they turn this over too, and what direction they take it in.

Scott

While I would agree with some of these, the opening chase felt more like an homage to the original series. Each time I see a chase I don't particularly think of Raiders.

Maybe it's just me but I see chemistry between Spock and Uhura. For now I don't need "more chemistry" because seeing Spock confronting his feelings for her and her who doesn't always understand him is enough. Again, for now.

The "witty dialog" this I agree yes, or as Matt mentioned the "forced one-liners". Karl Urban ended up with some of the weakest lines unfortunately. But I didn't find it really distracting either.

I think Nimoy's cameo was unnecessary. I hope we won't see him in the next film. As for Quinto's Spock, I like what he does with the character very much. I don't want a carbon copy of Nimoy's. I've said in another thread that the new Spock showing more of his human side doesn't bother me at all, on the contrary. Nimoy's Spock didn't show any, and yet he's supposed to be half human. Anyway, I like both though, and Spock/Quinto remains my favorite character in the new gang.

I don't really have a problem with the plot, but as Matt said above, "the film cannot take a breath", some "pondering moments" wouldn't have hurt indeed.
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I think Nimoy's cameo was unnecessary. I hope we won't see him in the next film. As for Quinto's Spock, I like what he does with the character very much. I don't want a carbon copy of Nimoy's. I've said in another thread that the new Spock showing more of his human side doesn't bother me at all, on the contrary. Nimoy's Spock didn't show any, and yet he's supposed to be half human. Anyway, I like both though, and Spock/Quinto remains my favorite character in the new gang.

I agree 100% Morpheo, He's has had his time there was no need at all for him to be there. I hope it wont be too long before we see a third one come out.

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Maybe this has already mentioned as a complaint, and this is my biggest of many. I’ll let wiki partially tell it...

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Kirk sacrifices himself by entering the radioactive engine chamber to realign it, preventing the ship's destruction. After Kirk and Spock confess their mutual feelings of friendship toward each other, Kirk succumbs to radiation poisoning.

That was taken stolen from The Wrath of Khan; they just flipped the characters in this one. In Khan, Kirk arrives in the engine room, where Spock dies of radiation poisoning.

You can only pull the emotional strings one time on this, and it worked to perfection the first time; doing it twice makes it cheap, insults the intelligence of the audience, and just pisses me off that they would stoop that low for such an iconic moment in the history of Star Trek.
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Maybe it's just me but I see chemistry between Spock and Uhura. For now I don't need "more chemistry" because seeing Spock confronting his feelings for her and her who doesn't always understand him is enough. Again, for now.

The "witty dialog" this I agree yes, or as Matt mentioned the "forced one-liners". Karl Urban ended up with some of the weakest lines unfortunately. But I didn't find it really distracting either.

I think Nimoy's cameo was unnecessary. I hope we won't see him in the next film. As for Quinto's Spock, I like what he does with the character very much. I don't want a carbon copy of Nimoy's. I've said in another thread that the new Spock showing more of his human side doesn't bother me at all, on the contrary. Nimoy's Spock didn't show any, and yet he's supposed to be half human. Anyway, I like both though, and Spock/Quinto remains my favorite character in the new gang.
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The biggest problem with this last Star Trek movie was that it was more like "Earth Trek". And the new Spock/old Spock was ridiculous. And the resurrection of Kirk was really ridiculous - although not as ridiculous as the resurrection of Original Spock on the Genesis planet. Well, maybe they're equally ridiculous. Tough to say.

In short, I find myself agreeing with Matt - if this is the direction they're going, they might as well retire the series. Like that's going to happen...

Since it's not, it might be nice to see a real space exploration adventure next time. For a change. Really doesn't matter in the final analysis. This franchise is like James Bond - you can't kill it, people will always buy tickets to see them, and they will apparently go on forever. Kind of like their heroes.
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While I would agree with some of these, the opening chase felt more like an homage to the original series. Each time I see a chase I don't particularly think of Raiders.

That's Abrams' defense of the scene. However, I defy you to point me to any episode of the Original Series that involves so much pointless running and shouting. "Go go go! Move move move!! Now now!!!"

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While I would agree with some of these, the opening chase felt more like an homage to the original series. Each time I see a chase I don't particularly think of Raiders.

That's Abrams' defense of the scene. However, I defy you to point me to any episode of the Original Series that involves so much pointless running and shouting. "Go go go! Move move move!! Now now!!!"
Exactly. After stealing an artifact, they're chased by natives, though a forest jungle, finally ending up at the edge of a body of water.

And that doesn't sound like the opening to Raiders? rolleyes.gif

The only thing missing is Kirk yelling to the crew to "Start the engines!" and "Get it up!" while swinging from a vine.

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As a fan of Star Trek, I don't consider myself "married" to that of canon as long as there is consistency within the existing story. What I mean is, while there are some core familiarities about Star Trek that should remain, I hold no standard of the Abrams films to the original series or any subsequent spin offs beyond "I like it or I don't like it". Mainly because it represents a reboot. But further, it wasn't a reboot for the sake of a reboot, which has been done time and again. If you want to see the same old thing then just watch the same old thing IMO. If you're going to redo or reboot something then bring a different perspective, hence the creating of the alternate universe. To the poster commenting on "switching places", I disagree that it was cheap, and stooping low on an iconic moment. I thought it was well done not only theatrically but also IMO presented an interesting dynamic to the alternate reality compared to how we remember the story. The original version of that scene was definitely powerful and iconic, even arguably one of, if not the most iconic in all of the original films and even television shows. To me, this makes the new version that much more interesting because it makes you remember the originals but also gives you something new to think about where things are going in the next installment. I'm probably in the minority on this one but I guess I'm just able to remove what I remember from 20-30 years ago and inject myself into the current story and can make it work for me.

What's really funny about this is even when the original movies were release, there were critics just like many here now. And by critics I mean people who have opinions, some stronger than others, about what was good, what was bad, what didn't make sense and what they should have done with the movie. Abrams is basically no different and just so happens to have an opportunity to "do something about it" so to speak. Many on this forum consider what they say as the end all of commentary and we should go along with their ideals but that same consideration isn't give to someone like Abrams. Goes with the territory I guess but it's still funny to me.
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As a fan of Star Trek, I don't consider myself "married" to that of canon as long as there is consistency within the existing story. What I mean is, while there are some core familiarities about Star Trek that should remain, I hold no standard of the Abrams films to the original series or any subsequent spin offs beyond "I like it or I don't like it". Mainly because it represents a reboot. But further, it wasn't a reboot for the sake of a reboot, which has been done time and again. If you want to see the same old thing then just watch the same old thing IMO. If you're going to redo or reboot something then bring a different perspective, hence the creating of the alternate universe. To the poster commenting on "switching places", I disagree that it was cheap, and stooping low on an iconic moment. I thought it was well done not only theatrically but also IMO presented an interesting dynamic to the alternate reality compared to how we remember the story. The original version of that scene was definitely powerful and iconic, even arguably one of, if not the most iconic in all of the original films and even television shows. To me, this makes the new version that much more interesting because it makes you remember the originals but also gives you something new to think about where things are going in the next installment. I'm probably in the minority on this one but I guess I'm just able to remove what I remember from 20-30 years ago and inject myself into the current story and can make it work for me.

What's really funny about this is even when the original movies were release, there were critics just like many here now. And by critics I mean people who have opinions, some stronger than others, about what was good, what was bad, what didn't make sense and what they should have done with the movie. Abrams is basically no different and just so happens to have an opportunity to "do something about it" so to speak. Many on this forum consider what they say as the end all of commentary and we should go along with their ideals but that same consideration isn't give to someone like Abrams. Goes with the territory I guess but it's still funny to me.
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Exactly. After stealing an artifact, they're chased by natives, though a forest jungle, finally ending up at the edge of a body of water.

And that doesn't sound like the opening to Raiders? rolleyes.gif

Yeah...Except Kirk did it all on purpose to lure them away from the volcano otherwise they could have perished in the eruption. It wasn't the same kind of context at all, except for Kirk and Bones being "chased by natives". Big deal. Yes the scene did share some resemblance with Raiders, so what? Did it fit into the movie and the whole storyline? I think so. And since their mission was "to observe" it kinda goes back to one of the franchise's main point: explore new worlds (which is why I mentioned the original series reference in my previous post).
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This movie is one that should be seen on a large screen in the theater. The larger the better: IMAX or AMC's ETX or equivalent. It just doesn't seem to migrate all that well to the home theater.
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