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Synopsis: Ice-T takes us on an intimate journey into the heart and soul of hip-hop with the legends of rap music. This performance documentary goes beyond the stardom and the bling to explore what goes on inside the minds, and erupts from the lips, of the grandmasters of rap. Recognized as the godfather of Gangsta rap, Ice-T is granted unparalleled access to the personal lives of the masters of this artform that he credits for saving his life. Interspersed with the performers' insightful, touching, and often funny revelations are classic raps, freestyle rhymes, and never before heard a cappellas straight from the mouths of the creators. What emerges is a better understanding of, and a tribute to, an original American art form that brought poetry to a new generation.

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LOVE the old-school hip-hop stuff; contemporary thug/gangsta-rap...not at all.

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Same here, I think the only rap album I ever owned was from Run DMC back in the 80's. I guess I grew up.

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"The Art of Rap" is an oxymoron.
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"The Art of Rap" is an oxymoron.

Probably not as much as "Rap Music", though.
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"The Art of Rap" is an oxymoron.

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Probably not as much as "Rap Music", though.

Also an idiotic comment

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I would agree that there isn't much art in pop music, which includes the rap & rock you hear on mainstream radio. But there is plenty of art infused in hip-hop you don't normally hear on the popular outlets. One of my favorite artists that exemplifies this is Wax Tailor, for example.
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The Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight. The music was a rip-off of, Good Times by Chic, and probably one of the reasons I liked the song so much. Much of the early stuff copied a lot of the disco beat at the time.



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The music was a rip-off...Much of the early stuff copied a lot of the disco beat at the time.

Ripping-off and copying...yes, a real creative endeavor there...
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Ripping-off and copying...yes, a real creative endeavor there...

Perfect for Generation Remix.
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Synopsis: Ice-T takes us on an intimate journey into the heart and soul of hip-hop with the legends of rap music. This performance documentary goes beyond the stardom and the bling to explore what goes on inside the minds, and erupts from the lips, of the grandmasters of rap. Recognized as the godfather of Gangsta rap, Ice-T is granted unparalleled access to the personal lives of the masters of this artform that he credits for saving his life. Interspersed with the performers' insightful, touching, and often funny revelations are classic raps, freestyle rhymes, and never before heard a cappellas straight from the mouths of the creators. What emerges is a better understanding of, and a tribute to, an original American art form that brought poetry to a new generation.


Cool trailer. I'm not a huge rap fan in any regard, but the preview made me step back and respect these guys.
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Perfect for Generation Remix.

You guys are delusional if you don't think "ripping off" existing artists and their creations hasn't been the caveat for many prominent works in all facets of the creative & liberal arts (not to mention technology), dating back centuries.
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You guys are delusional if you don't think "ripping off" existing artists and their creations hasn't been the caveat for many prominent works in all facets of the creative & liberal arts (not to mention technology), dating back centuries.

I'm not delusional. I think there is art in Rap. Anybody seen Beats Rhymes & Life? So awesome.
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You guys are delusional if you don't think "ripping off" existing artists and their creations hasn't been the caveat for many prominent works in all facets of the creative & liberal arts (not to mention technology), dating back centuries.

But "ripping off" other artists is often associated with plagiarism. Here it's simply a few seconds sampled as is and mixed with a few catchy loops... I think we can assume rap is not very rich musically to say the least. But yes, I admit it has evolved too.

(I actually like quite a few songs, but while I do think there's some good material in rap, I also think there's far too much crap......wait....it rhymes!! let's call Diddy and book a studio I have a hit!)
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While I don't own any of their music, I respect the fr@k out of The Roots. Percussion and woodwinds are all live, all the time; none of that oversampled, drum machine, synthesizer crap. If you don't know who they are, watch Jimmy Fallon late nights.

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Sowe are defining art now huh lol

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I also think there's far too much crap......wait....it rhymes!! let's call Diddy and book a studio I have a hit!)

No argument there. Same for rock music.
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The Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight. The music was a rip-off of, I Want Your Love by Chic, and probably one of the reasons I liked the song so much. Much of the early stuff copied a lot of the disco beat at the time.



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Not the same as ripping off, by using the beats as inspiration or even directly using it, to form a new genre of music.

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On topic, you guys should check this doc out. It is specifically about the art of sampling to create a new form of musicality.

http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Copy...inals/70129141

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1503770/
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There's a cool documentary called Scratch that shows how the hip hop dj's would use the breaks and beats from old records to "create" new music. The turntable became an instrument. But that's just one piece. Rap still uses live tracks, beatboxing, etc.

To say rap isn't art is just an old fart's attempt at trolling.


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To say rap isn't art is just an old fart's attempt at trolling.

To say that rap is art can also be considered an attempt to elevate it above the other forms of (popular) music. Music is art, period. And rap is one form of music. Rap is not a 'superior' form of music.
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Not the same as ripping off, by using the beats as inspiration or even directly using it, to form a new genre of music.

Hearing Rapper's Delight caused me to get my Chic album out and play it for the first time in years. The RD music was lifted from Good Times, not what I previously posted.

Considering the writers of the song, Bernard Edwards and Nile Rodgers of Chic threatened legal action, which resulted in a settlement with their being credited as co-writers, I’d say it was a rip-off. Obviously, they were not too happy about it but got over it and actually liked The Sugarhill Gangs version and considered it innovative. But I know what you’re saying.
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My problem is not the rise of rap and hip-hop, but rather the decline of melody.
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...also...

I have no problem with the title "The Art of Rap".

I DO have a problem with the "Something From Nothing" part of the title, especially since most rap and hip-hop use samples and beats that someone else created, so obviously did not come from "nothing". To say "something from nothing" is an insult to the creators of the original, and most certainly not an homage.
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...also...

I have no problem with the title "The Art of Rap".

I DO have a problem with the "Something From Nothing" part of the title, especially since most rap and hip-hop use samples and beats that someone else created, so obviously did not come from "nothing". To say "something from nothing" is an insult to the creators of the original, and most certainly not an homage.

That just adds to my problem with it. It seems that rappers:

Can't come up with their own rhythms;
Don't have to bother with creating a melody, since they can't sing anyway.

So we're left with something with no creative rhythmic or melodic content. What's left? "creative" prose that talks about "bitches and hos"?
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