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This discussion illustrates very well why I didn't much concern myself with the details of the film's physics. To my untutored eye, it all seemed plausible. Better yet, it was beautiful to see and hear, and told a hell of a story.
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This discussion illustrates very well why I didn't much concern myself with the details of the film's physics. To my untutored eye, it all seemed plausible. Better yet, Sandy was beautiful to see and hear, and told a hell of a story.

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I agree with you, gwsat! In my reckoning, it was "close enough" overall (which is still quite a high bar as far as Hollywood movies, imo), and I embraced enjoyment of the movie in its entirety. That whole 2-3 pages in this topic devoted to arguing about "sound in space" had me rolling my eyes. It's such an old, dead horse to beat, I'm just tired of it.
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This discussion illustrates very well why I didn't much concern myself with the details of the film's physics. To my untutored eye, it all seemed plausible. Better yet, it was beautiful to see and hear, and told a hell of a story.
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I agree with you, gwsat! In my reckoning, it was "close enough" overall (which is still quite a high bar as far as Hollywood movies, imo), and I embraced enjoyment of the movie in its entirety. That whole 2-3 pages in this topic devoted to arguing about "sound in space" had me rolling my eyes. It's such an old, dead horse to beat, I'm just tired of it.
I agree with you guys.

Gravity is hardly the first Hollywood sci-fi to get some science "wrong" and certainly won't be the last.
It was close enough to my less than vast pool of knowledge regarding physics to allow me to enjoy this movie enormously.
Of course, YMMV.wink.gif
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I wonder if the choice of the title "Gravity" was also more than just the obvious connection of a space movie. I was thinking maybe it is also referencing the "gravity" of the situation...or the dire depths of the human spirit?

I was also unaware of the connection to the same guy that made Children of Men. Glad I didn't. I really disliked that movie.

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I wonder if the choice of the title "Gravity" was also more than just the obvious connection of a space movie. I was thinking maybe it is also referencing the "gravity" of the situation...or the dire depths of the human spirit?
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Admittedly, I didn't really think of the meaning of the title quite like that, but you have a good point.

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I'll offer an explanation...

Initially, I thought the scene questions plausibility, too, but I imagine it is possible that the circular velocity of the space station was deviating from constant. Normally, it would be maintaining constant velocity so it could maintain orbit. However, this is a movie where things have gone awry, to be sure.
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If the space station is in slight deceleration, then that would be the impetus for a constant force occurring in the line. Why would it be decelerating? Given the situation, it's not hard to imagine that things have malfunctioned onboard (which we see further indication of, once Ryan gets inside). Maybe the orbit is in terminal decay at that point? I'll grant though, that would then create a similar problem for Ryan to reel herself in on that line and get to the hatch (in brief enough time, with the O2 she had left)...so maybe they both should have died? tongue.gif

So imagine it this way...it's not that the astronaut dude (Clooney) is floating away from the space station over time. The astronaut dude is just going at nominal orbital velocity, and the space station is floating away with lagging velocity and slight deceleration? Remember, we are talking about a baseline of 26,000 mph, so there is plenty of range for velocity shift to occur, even though it "appears" everybody is just floating "still" in space (reality being, everybody is actually just traveling at the same 26,000-ish mph).

The space station could just as well be in slight acceleration at that particular (unfortunate) moment, too, as the rockets are "trying" to restore nominal orbit velocity. Naturally, all of this should have impacted the depiction of "weightless" while inside the space station (depending on what direction you are trying to go), but I'm sure that would have further confused audiences, if they bothered to stay faithful to that effect. wink.gif
Got around to watching this last night. Good film, really, but that's where it stops for me. Had it not already garnered so many accolades I never would have pegged it to.

As for the scene above, it did stand out to me (the physics of it, that is). My problem with it...and I seem to say this with nearly every movie these days with what seems like a glaring mistake....is that it could have been handled very easily a different way that would have left no "physics ambiguity". What I saw was some Hollywood exec saying "we need some build up and drama, do this....". But whatever... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
It's not like there weren't plenty of opportunities for the tether to give way and send him hurdling into space as she clung safely to the space station. They wrestled and grabbed and flailed about enough for it to have happened several times. Instead we get a scene that made no sense...especially after Clooney made it a point to show how pulling on the tether worked with Sandra...a little tug and you're going that way. But now he's caught by a tractor beam from earth pulling him in?

I enjoy movies that don't spell every little thing out for you, but in this case, this scenario isn't one of those things that should fall into that category. That being said, it certainly didn't affect the rest of the movie for me, but it was noticeable. Solid rental for me, but not a movie I'd watch more than once. It's one of those with very little replay value once you know what happens.
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My problem with it...and I seem to say this with nearly every movie these days with what seems like a glaring mistake....is that it could have been handled very easily a different way.
I wish I had a nickel for every time I think that when watching movies and TV shows each week.rolleyes.gif
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I wish I had a nickel for every time I think that when watching movies and TV shows each week.rolleyes.gif

Seriously. I could say the same thing about every single movie I've seen in that past 10 years. Especially every one I had any expectations for ... that were good. tongue.gif

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Anyone watch the Cuaron-directed pilot episode of Believe on NBC? Aside from a couple of his famous long tracking shots, it kind of sucked.

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Anyone watch the Cuaron-directed pilot episode of Believe on NBC? Aside from a couple of his famous long tracking shots, it kind of sucked.

The concept of Believe just didn't resonate with me, so I decided not to record and watch it. Based on your comments and those of some others I have read, I am glad I decided to stay away. Looks like a bad idea, badly executed.
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I enjoyed Believe, ad I did Gravity... I don't base my watching on critics reviews, they always have agendas ... wink.gif
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Anyone watch the Cuaron-directed pilot episode of Believe on NBC? Aside from a couple of his famous long tracking shots, it kind of sucked.

Haha. I didn't need to watch the actual show to tell you that. tongue.gif

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I enjoyed Believe, ad I did Gravity... I don't base my watching on critics reviews, they always have agendas ... wink.gif

I didn't watch Believe because I didn't like the concept. Josh's negative comment here and several negative reviews simply confirmed my suspicions. If in the future I hear hosannas for the show, unlikely as that appears to be, perhaps I'll change my mind.
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Anyone watch the Cuaron-directed pilot episode of Believe on NBC? Aside from a couple of his famous long tracking shots, it kind of sucked.
Although I am a big fan of Cuaron, I'll take your word for it and stay away...wink.gif

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Although I am a big fan of Cuaron
That's the dude from middle earth right?
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All tv shows suck .


ALL? Really? I would say most TV shows suck (hell, so do most movies if you strip them down to plot and acting), but certainly not all. There are some good ones out there. Something like Breaking Bad for example IMO is better than the vast majority of films I have seen!
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I've seen a ring like that before. That Frodance fella had one just like it.

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ALL? Really? I would say most TV shows suck (hell, so do most movies if you strip them down to plot and acting), but certainly not all. There are some good ones out there. Something like Breaking Bad for example IMO is better than the vast majority of films I have seen!
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The best stuff is on the small screen these days. There's almost too much of it, to be honest. But there are only a small handful of films that get me jacked up these days. Gravity was one of them, to be sure.
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Haha. I didn't need to watch the actual show to tell you that. tongue.gif

All tv shows suck and especially when they insist on letting you know some 'big name' producer/director/etc is attached to it. That's when you know for sure a show is going to suck ass.

It's scientific.

You need to get cable. The quality of writing on cable series is often dramatically better than what we get in feature films these days. True Detective had a lot of big-name talent involved and was terrific.

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You need to get cable. The quality of writing on cable series is often dramatically better than what we get in feature films these days. True Detective had a lot of big-name talent involved and was terrific.

I have cable. I've watched all these shows people talk about. I can never keep interest. Tv shows are tedious in plot and editing and way, way long winded. Plus they almost never have actually good visuals or sound. And I don't just mean in HD and in surround.

I like movies and educational television.

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The best stuff is on the small screen these days. There's almost too much of it, to be honest. But there are only a small handful of films that get me jacked up these days. Gravity was one of them, to be sure.

To be fair, television now is WAY better than it has ever been and I get that. But still....doesn't mean I have to be forced to DVR all this dramatic crap. tongue.gif

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Maybe I was being a bit extreme.


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But there are only a small handful of films that get me jacked up these days.
Sad, and true.

I know a lot of folks say 2013 was a good year for movies, but I am not convinced.

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I have cable. I've watched all these shows people talk about. I can never keep interest. Tv shows are tedious in plot and editing and way, way long winded.
Even with my ADD, I manage to watch a dozen or so series of various types on a regular basis.

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Sad, and true.

I know a lot of folks say 2013 was a good year for movies, but I am not convinced.
Even with my ADD, I manage to watch a dozen or so series of various types on a regular basis.
I think it's an accepted fact Providers, generally, suck when it comes to distributing quality AV.

Well I meant general quality of composition, cinematography, CGI and it's use, etc... but then there is that. Oye.

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