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Based on these clues and the age of the infected engineer's body, it seems that they were headed to Earth to re-boot life on our planet (which would necessarily wipe out current life) roughly 2,000 years ago. So even though they created us, they wanted to wipe us out.
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Another theory would be that Tigris from Gaul was an engineer and he was humiliated by a Spanish gladiator.

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Another theory would be that Tigris from Gaul was an engineer and he was humiliated by a Spanish gladiator.

Funny.

You know I'm not bother by the Space Jesus thing at all, when they said 2000 years the whole crucifixion act popped in my head . But as I've read in countless threads it seem to put plenty of Sci Fi fan's panties in bunch for some strange reason or another... Don't know how it can hurt either side, ahhh religion, and their action figures do not cross over. rolleyes.gif


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actually Ridley Scott said that the space jockey in Alien was a guy wearing a suit.
http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Mala%27kak
Access denied at office to the original link but go under the A Suit or Elephant section and you'll see Scott's take on it:
http://io9.com/5879560/everything-we-know-about-ridley-scotts-space-jockeys

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Well, that's your opinion but I actually find it has interesting implications and is far more plausible than FTL travel. I guess I'm more of a hard science-fiction fan and I thought this movie would be a little more rigorous when it came to the science-aspects. I still enjoyed the film though with these minor quibbles aside.
If you're interested in some good science-fiction based on sub-light-speed travel, check out Alastair Reynolds. He is probably the best sci-fi author out there now in my opinion.
Also check out Robert Heinlein's Orphans of the Sky and Poul Anderson's Tau Zero, which address the subject.
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This all strikes me as history rewritten.
Strikes me the same way, up there with the Deckard is a replicant stuff. With the eye sockets, trunk and small tusks, I never bought the notion that the skull was some sort of helmet. I'd have more respect for them if they simply said that they made a decision to change it rather than trying to convince me that it's what they meant all along.

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If you're interested in some good science-fiction based on sub-light-speed travel, check out Alastair Reynolds. He is probably the best sci-fi author out there now in my opinion.

Don't know him. What's his best, along these lines, in your opinion?

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At this POV, there is no way to know with certain??

Whether it can be built? It's just an engineering project. Biggest of all time, but yeah, that's all it is. Biggest sticking point is the cable material. It has to be incredibly strong, and varying in width from the point where stresses are greatest - at the geosync point - shrinking as it extends to either end where stresses are the lowest. Probably has to be made of some kind of carbon nanotube slash diamond crystal slash unobtanium. Sic enough engineers and physics majors on the problem and you'll have your super-duper cable-fiber invented and fabbed up in a jiffy.

Then you send robot miners out to the asteroid belt to find one made of the raw materials you need and start chewing it up from the inside, manufacturing the cable. You could spin it to create artificial gravity if you wanted. You could even tow what's left of it back to act as the kernel of the elevator space station, and tow another one in for the counterweight. Piece of cake. wink.gif

Then, it's all about the Benjamens. Lots and lots of 'em. But it's eminently doable.
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Don't know him. What's his best, along these lines, in your opinion?

Whether it can be built? Yeah, it's just an engineering project. Biggest of all time, but yeah, that's all it is. Biggest sticking point is the cable material. It has to be incredibly strong, and varying in width from the point where stresses are greatest - at the geosync point - shrinking as it extends to either end where stresses are the lowest. Probably has to be some kind of carbon nanotube slash diamond crystal slash blah blah blah. Sic enough engineers and physics majors on the problem and you'll have your super-fiber fabbed up in a jiffy.
Then you send out robot miners to the asteroid belt to find one made of the raw materials you need and start chewing it up from the inside, manufacturing the cable. You could spin it to create artificial gravity if you wanted. You could even toe what's left of it back to act as the kernel of the elevator space station, and toe another one in for the counterweight. Piece of cake. wink.gif
Then, it's all about the Benjamens. Lots and lots of 'em. But it's eminently doable.


I would start with Revelation Space, his first novel in a trilogy. The sequels are not as strong but still worth reading. I also highly recommend Chasm City set in the same universe. Pushing Ice and House of Suns are standalone novels that are built around very interesting premises.

If you are interested in space elevator tech, I would also recommend you check out Arthur C. Clarke's classic, Fountains of Paradise.

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I came across an article on SciFi where an astronomer was commenting on the science aspects of the film. Apparently, they mention in the film that LV-223 is 300 trillion kilometers away from Earth which works out to about 30 light-years. I must have missed this. They do mention that the flight-time was only 2 years. I thought this was subjective time due to relativity but the scientist though this implied an FTL drive so maybe I'm wrong!

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I definitely don't buy the whole "Jesus" theory or the idea that they were intent on killing off humanity. The Jesus theory doesn't make any sense based on the assumption that a visit from the engineers resulted in the discovered cave paintings that led our explorers to LV-223. Two of the cave paintings discovered were dated AD not BC. I can't believe that the engineers had made multiple visits to earth after the crucifixion and did nothing, yet this one ship was supposed to wipe out the earth 600+ years prior.
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Two of the cave paintings discovered were dated AD not BC. I can't believe that the engineers had made multiple visits to earth after the crucifixion and did nothing, yet this one ship was supposed to wipe out the earth 600+ years prior.

Were did they tell us about the dates? It certainly speaks against the Jesus theory, unless the cave painting were paintings created by man retelling a legend in that culture.

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Were did they tell us about the dates? It certainly speaks against the Jesus theory, unless the cave painting were paintings created by man retelling a legend in that culture.

I don't remember what specific dates were mentioned, but Shaw and Holloway did talk about the ages of the cave paintings (specifically how they were centuries apart from each other) in their briefing with the Prometheus crew at the beginning of the film.

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Were did they tell us about the dates? It certainly speaks against the Jesus theory, unless the cave painting were paintings created by man retelling a legend in that culture.

Sorry I forgot they went by BCE and CE not BC and AD.

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Funny.
You know I'm not bother by the Space Jesus thing at all, when they said 2000 years the whole crucifixion act popped in my head . But as I've read in countless threads it seem to put plenty of Sci Fi fan's panties in bunch for some strange reason or another... Don't know how it can hurt either side, ahhh religion, and their action figures do not cross over. rolleyes.gif
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I bet we get rid of religion, and war will make a grinding halt, for the most part...
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Whether it can be built? It's just an engineering project. Biggest of all time, but yeah, that's all it is. Biggest sticking point is the cable material. It has to be incredibly strong, and varying in width from the point where stresses are greatest - at the geosync point - shrinking as it extends to either end where stresses are the lowest. Probably has to be made of some kind of carbon nanotube slash diamond crystal slash unobtanium. Sic enough engineers and physics majors on the problem and you'll have your super-duper cable-fiber invented and fabbed up in a jiffy.
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Then, it's all about the Benjamens. Lots and lots of 'em. But it's eminently doable.
I don't know what it is about the "space elevator"....my last 2 brain cells can't come to grips with it.eek.gif
Although I do TRY to imagine such a thing....confused.giffrown.gif

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A very long elevator from Earth to Space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator

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A very long elevator from Earth to Space.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator

Um, you do realize I already referenced that link in my original post on the subject on the previous page...?

Reading before posting - always a good idea. smile.gif
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Um, you do realize I already referenced that link in my original post on the subject on the previous page...?
Reading before posting - always a good idea. smile.gif

Seems like oink missed, or I missunderstod him, but im usually dont go back on AVS threads to check just in case. wink.gif

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Seems like oink missed, or I missunderstod him, but im usually dont go back on AVS threads to check just in case. wink.gif
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A secret communique from Weyland Corporation:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/a-series-emails-from-prometheuss-new-tech-guy/

Thanks, that was a fun read! Really points out how poorly put together the Prometheus crew was smile.gif

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I bet we get rid of religion, and war will make a grinding halt, for the most part...
Doubtful because not having religion is a religion and we are dicks by nature to each other.
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Doubtful because not having religion is a religion
One of the reasons of the formation of religion is to keep the peace in the society because people were (some still are) savages back in the old days.
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Doubtful because not having religion is a religion

This doesn't make sense because religion(s) were invented by men, and you make it sound like like an absolute.
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This doesn't make sense because religion(s) were invented by men, and you make it sound like like an absolute.
Sounds like a religious war is brewing over this.smile.gif
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Doubtful because not having religion is a religion and we are dicks by nature to each other.

Sure. And not having hair is a hair color. Not having a marriage is being married. Not being part of the FreeMasons is being part of the FreeMasons...

Once you allow yourself to play with words to the point of contradiction, what hope is there in making a point to anyone?
BTW, I find people are generally quite nice to each other.

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