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I think the characters that weren't so great were all killed off leaving the two best characters to continue the story.
I hadn't thought about it before, but you're absolutely right.cool.gif
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I think the characters that weren't so great were all killed off leaving the two best characters to continue the story.

Shaw was almost as big a moron as the dipwad who reached out to pet the penis snake.

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Shaw was almost as big a moron as the dipwad who reached out to pet the penis snake.
But she could run a marathon immediately after a c-section.

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Shaw was almost as big a moron as the dipwad who reached out to pet the penis snake.

Never said they were perfect, just one of the best characters in the film. You're flawed too, Josh, and we still talk to you. tongue.gif
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But she could run a marathon immediately after a c-section.

That doesn't mean the character is stupid, just the moment.

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Never said they were perfect, just one of the best characters in the film. You're flawed too, Josh, and we still talk to you. tongue.gif
That doesn't mean the character is stupid, just the moment.

There's a difference between "flawed" and "totally incompetent at the elemental basics of her job." Shaw is supposedly an archaelogist. In the opening scene, she finds a 35,000 year-old cave painting and blithely knocks down a wall and invites everyone in to come look at it, with no concern at all about damaging the find. She sees a drawing of a tall guy pointing at stars and immediately leaps to the conclusion that this is an "invitation" for us to go there, based on nothing. She never even considers the possibility that the message of the drawing could be: "Don't ever go there. It's very very dangerous. Seriously, stay the f*** away!"

After traveling halfway across the universe in search of the first signs of intelligent alien life, she once again rushes into the structure, trampling over everything and barely even stopping to look at anything, much less make any attempt to document or preserve it.

Shaw finds one empty building and promptly concludes that the whole alien race is extinct, again based on nothing. It never occurs to her that she might want to look around a little more before making sweeping declarations like that.

When her moron boyfriend removes his space helmet at the first sign of breathable air, she quickly does likewise, unconcerned with any possibility of alien toxins or bacteria or other dangers that their sensors have no way of detecting. Not to mention the potential harm that breathing their Earthly germs and microbes into the air could have on the location.

Like all the other characters in the movie, Shaw is a straight-up idiot. She should have dropped dead the second she took off her helmet.

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Never said they were perfect, just one of the best characters in the film. You're flawed too, Josh, and we still talk to you. tongue.gif
That doesn't mean the character is stupid, just the moment.
Like so many other things in so many other films....the situation(s) could have been done differently (much more believable) and still moved the story where it needed to go. Those types of situations are countless in this one, though. To the point where I'm honestly surprised (but not really) that it was as well reviewed as it was by critics. This is all relevant because it leaves little hope for the sequel. Or prequel, equal, reboot, or whatever the hell Hollywood can come up with that ultimately ends in a disappointing blingy thing to satisfy the masses.

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There's a difference between "flawed" and "totally incompetent at the elemental basics of her job." Shaw is supposedly an archaelogist. In the opening scene, she finds a 35,000 year-old cave painting and blithely knocks down a wall and invites everyone in to come look at it, with no concern at all about damaging the find. She sees a drawing of a tall guy pointing at stars and immediately leaps to the conclusion that this is an "invitation" for us to go there, based on nothing. She never even considers the possibility that the message of the drawing could be: "Don't ever go there. It's very very dangerous. Seriously, stay the f*** away!"

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Like all the other characters in the movie, Shaw is a straight-up idiot. She should have dropped dead the second she took off her helmet.
I guess I'll say she was one off the least off-able characters....tongue.gif

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Like so many other things in so many other films....the situation(s) could have been done differently (much more believable) and still moved the story where it needed to go. Those types of situations are countless in this one, though. To the point where I'm honestly surprised (but not really) that it was as well reviewed as it was by critics. This is all relevant because it leaves little hope for the sequel. Or prequel, equal, reboot, or whatever the hell Hollywood can come up with that ultimately ends in a disappointing blingy thing to satisfy the masses.
The fixes to Prometheus were easy to do, which makes the fact it wasn't done all the more difficult to swallow.

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There's a difference between "flawed" and "totally incompetent at the elemental basics of her job." Shaw is supposedly an archaelogist. In the opening scene, she finds a 35,000 year-old cave painting and blithely knocks down a wall and invites everyone in to come look at it, with no concern at all about damaging the find. She sees a drawing of a tall guy pointing at stars and immediately leaps to the conclusion that this is an "invitation" for us to go there, based on nothing. She never even considers the possibility that the message of the drawing could be: "Don't ever go there. It's very very dangerous. Seriously, stay the f*** away!"

After traveling halfway across the universe in search of the first signs of intelligent alien life, she once again rushes into the structure, trampling over everything and barely even stopping to look at anything, much less make any attempt to document or preserve it.

Shaw finds one empty building and promptly concludes that the whole alien race is extinct, again based on nothing. It never occurs to her that she might want to look around a little more before making sweeping declarations like that.

When her moron boyfriend removes his space helmet at the first sign of breathable air, she quickly does likewise, unconcerned with any possibility of alien toxins or bacteria or other dangers that their sensors have no way of detecting. Not to mention the potential harm that breathing their Earthly germs and microbes into the air could have on the location.

Like all the other characters in the movie, Shaw is a straight-up idiot. She should have dropped dead the second she took off her helmet.

ok that's enough: Dune sucks.

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I'm playing through the video game Fallout 3 right now. The game includes several post-release extra missions, the last of which is called "Mothership Zeta", released in 2009. Your character is abducted by aliens in this mission and has to fight his way off their ship. One of the human characters you encounter, a fellow abductee, posits that maybe these aliens seeded the Earth with life long ago, and periodically visited to see how things were going (you find they've been abducting people for a long time), but were now so upset with us that they decided to wipe us out. I nearly spit out my beer upon realizing that the writers of Prometheus may have stolen (intentionally or not) the idea for the plot from a video game biggrin.gif

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One of the human characters you encounter, a fellow abductee, posits that maybe these aliens seeded the Earth with life long ago, and periodically visited to see how things were going (you find they've been abducting people for a long time), but were now so upset with us that they decided to wipe us out. I nearly spit out my beer upon realizing that the writers of Prometheus may have stolen (intentionally or not) the idea for the plot from a video game biggrin.gif

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...these aliens seeded the Earth with life long ago, and periodically visited to see how things were going (you find they've been abducting people for a long time

Yes we did, and yes we do. biggrin.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
However, it is much easier for you to believe in your fairy tales rather than deal with reality. Until you realize that you are you are a powerful god capable of doing and being whatever you want, your growth will be limited. And that is exactly what "they" want to do: limit your understanding of who and what you truly are.
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I nearly spit out my beer upon realizing that the writers of Prometheus may have stolen (intentionally or not) the idea for the plot from a video game
The video game is probably far more enjoyable. Tell me, do any of the main characters in the video game have an IQ over 10? That may be a possible avenue for the Prometheus sequel to go down.

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To be fair, I think that setup has been around for quite awhile.
Agreed, I'm sure the writers for the game "stole" it from someplace else. It was just really funny to hear the Prometheus plot succinctly explained in some random dialogue from a video game that came out a couple years earlier.
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Like so many other things in so many other films....the situation(s) could have been done differently (much more believable) and still moved the story where it needed to go. Those types of situations are countless in this one, though. To the point where I'm honestly surprised (but not really) that it was as well reviewed as it was by critics. This is all relevant because it leaves little hope for the sequel. Or prequel, equal, reboot, or whatever the hell Hollywood can come up with that ultimately ends in a disappointing blingy thing to satisfy the masses.

You wonder why mediocrity is being promoted?
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I'm playing through the video game Fallout 3 right now. The game includes several post-release extra missions, the last of which is called "Mothership Zeta", released in 2009. Your character is abducted by aliens in this mission and has to fight his way off their ship. One of the human characters you encounter, a fellow abductee, posits that maybe these aliens seeded the Earth with life long ago, and periodically visited to see how things were going (you find they've been abducting people for a long time), but were now so upset with us that they decided to wipe us out. I nearly spit out my beer upon realizing that the writers of Prometheus may have stolen (intentionally or not) the idea for the plot from a video game biggrin.gif

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There's nothing new about that plot that Bethesda came up with. There was a ST:TNG episode with the same plot years ago, and I'm sure it wasn't even close to being the first.
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Dumb or Mad scientists is necessary to create interesting movies. I don't want movies about ordinary cars, zippers or rainforrests. Give me a T-Rex, Terminators and Solaranite any day.

Good movies are as rare as an on topic discussion.
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No, they're not.
Agreed. One of the unfortunate aspects of Hollywood movies is the typical portrayal of scientists. They're typically shown as stupid (something of a contradiction) and/or crazy and/or evil and/or simply amoral. Not accurate.
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Agreed. One of the unfortunate aspects of Hollywood movies is the typical portrayal of scientists. They're typically shown as stupid (something of a contradiction) and/or crazy and/or evil and/or simply amoral. Not accurate.
You know there is a difference between a movie and a documentary.
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Agreed. One of the unfortunate aspects of Hollywood movies is the typical portrayal of scientists. They're typically shown as stupid (something of a contradiction) and/or crazy and/or evil and/or simply amoral. Not accurate.
But...do you trust them?wink.gif

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You know there is a difference between a movie and a documentary.
One could say the same thing about any other group that's stereotyped in movies. The difference is no one protests the depiction of scientists.
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One could say the same thing about any other group that's stereotyped in movies. The difference is no one protests the depiction of scientists.
Would you care to delve into it on Prometheus thread?
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Agreed. One of the unfortunate aspects of Hollywood movies is the typical portrayal of scientists. They're typically shown as stupid (something of a contradiction) and/or crazy and/or evil and/or simply amoral. Not accurate.

You are missing the point, its not about creating accurate portrayal of scientist, but to create interesting stories.

Just face it, responsible, sane and careful scientists are as boring as a square meatball.

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And don't forget -- they paid a lot of money for those actors' pretty faces (well, some of 'em. Work with me here). Can't keep 'em bottled up in space helmets for half the movie.
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