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That's where the cloud comes in. If you lose it, you download it again for free. Or just stream it. Whatever turns you on.

how long will it take to download 100 Terrabytes of movies?
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Oh, and if you don't have backups of your data in 2012 and lose it all, you're an idiot. You can use the cloud, you can buy more hard drives (they're cheap), and you can stream it from the cloud. Anyone who is tech savvy knows you don't keep one digital copy.

Anyone who loses all their data anymore is failing at life.

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the chances of losing your memory stick or it getting damaged is 100x greater than your DVD collection getting burnt in the fire.
Almost every human i've spoken to has had their harddisk crash on them at least once and lost all their digital photos/music. I've yet to meet a single person who got their entire DVD/BD collection destroyed by fire.
Yes you can download your movies again on UV. But guess how long 10 terrabytes of movies will take to download?

Yes, but what are the chances of your house burning down, crashing your hard drive, and losing your internet access all at once? I have my files on 2 computers, my phones, and a memory stick. My songs and pictures will be fine if I lose one. The possiblity of data loss seems like a weak argument against a certain form of tech. That's why I say we have options, but the future of internet based media is clear....

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Yeah, basically all the "OMG YOU CAN LOSE IT ALL DIGITAL BAD" arguments are lame.

Smart tech users should never have that problem. Backups are cheap, people.

If a BD gets scratched? You got to buy a new one.

Your digital file gets deleted? Copy a new one from your backup, or get it from the cloud. Free.

And you get to use it in Uganda without dragging a disc around.

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Yeah, basically all the "OMG YOU CAN LOSE IT ALL DIGITAL BAD" arguments are lame.
Smart tech users should never have that problem. Backups are cheap, people.
If a BD gets scratched? You got to buy a new one.
Your digital file gets deleted? Copy a new one from your backup, or get it from the cloud. Free.
And you get to use it in Uganda without dragging a disc around.

realisticly how many average americans run full offsite backups of their harddrive?
10%
Those are the same people who will be buying streaming movies and downloading it on their harddrive.
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What happens if your house burns down?
What happens if you walk off a cliff?
If a tree falls in the forest...
There are always going to be unusual and unfortunate losses of data. This is possible with any format. What if there's a global depression and society reverts back to the stone age? Can't focus on the what ifs, but I do see your point. Your scenario is exactly why I was saying we have options...and always will.

the chances of losing your memory stick or it getting damaged is 100x greater than your DVD collection getting burnt in the fire.

Almost every human i've spoken to has had their harddisk crash on them at least once and lost all their digital photos/music. I've yet to meet a single person who got their entire DVD/BD collection destroyed by fire.

Yes you can download your movies again on UV. But guess how long 10 terrabytes of movies will take to download?



A 100x greater chance of a memory stick getting lost or damaged as compared with your house burning down and burning your entire DVD colloection? More like 10 million times more likely.

Is it legal to copy your copyrighted material to a memory stick?

As a side note, what would a 10 TB memory stick look like?
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Yeah, basically all the "OMG YOU CAN LOSE IT ALL DIGITAL BAD" arguments are lame.

Smart tech users should never have that problem. Backups are cheap, people.

If a BD gets scratched? You got to buy a new one.

Your digital file gets deleted? Copy a new one from your backup, or get it from the cloud. Free.

And you get to use it in Uganda without dragging a disc around.



Not according the the Amazon TOS - you are restricted to the USA only
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Is it legal to copy your copyrighted material to a memory stick?

Same legality of copying music to your phone.

The memory stick thing was merely an option he was throwing out. His point is that there is something for everyone nowadays.

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So how much $$ is being spent on downloaded movies?

Much of the dollar figures on streaming video is misleading because it counts rentals and subscriptions. But many people have cancelled cable and pay for a streaming subscription.

My guess that movies purchased for download make up less than 1% of all movies purchased.
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Not according the the Amazon TOS - you are restricted to the USA only

Who said you're limited to Amazon?

And the Uganda thing was just an example of how extreme the tech can get. Most Americans would stream for domestic travel, because most Americans stay in the US.

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Check list for streaming:

1. have high speed internet
2. have a network, server, or streaming device.
3. setup the device for wifi
4. have a setup to burn physical copies of movies
5. backup your 100 Terrabyte harddrive each week

Check list for DVD/Bluray

1. put disk in tray, press play
2. dont get your house burnt down
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the chances of losing your memory stick or it getting damaged is 100x greater than your DVD collection getting burnt in the fire.
Almost every human i've spoken to has had their harddisk crash on them at least once and lost all their digital photos/music. I've yet to meet a single person who got their entire DVD/BD collection destroyed by fire.
Yes you can download your movies again on UV. But guess how long 10 terrabytes of movies will take to download?

Yes, but what are the chances of your house burning down, crashing your hard drive, and losing your internet access all at once? I have my files on 2 computers, my phones, and a memory stick. My songs and pictures will be fine if I lose one. The possiblity of data loss seems like a weak argument against a certain form of tech. That's why I say we have options, but the future of internet based media is clear....


That would be 100%.

If your house burns down, everything in the house burns right along with it. Maybe even you!
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Who said you're limited to Amazon?
And the Uganda thing was just an example of how extreme the tech can get. Most Americans would stream for domestic travel, because most Americans stay in the US.

can you imagine the data plan fees for watching a movie in Uganda?
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God, Sog, I just checked one of your posts, and you're still exaggerating to try to prove your points.

I'm done with you.

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That would be 100%.
If your house burns down, everything in the house burns right along with it. Maybe even you!

It was an exaggeration to combat sog's own (who seems to be fond of it. I'm going to nickname him Exaggeratron.)

If your house burns down, so what? You lose your BDs and your computer. But with streaming and cloud, you can hold up in a relative's house and watch those movies you bought while your new house is built.

I guess if you're Exaggeratron you'd want to buy duplicate BDs and store them in self-storage to combat the house burning down thing. Whereas with the streaming/cloud options, there's no need for that.

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Not according the the Amazon TOS - you are restricted to the USA only

Who said you're limited to Amazon?

And the Uganda thing was just an example of how extreme the tech can get. Most Americans would stream for domestic travel, because most Americans stay in the US.



Who said other streaming sources don't have restrictions? How many streaming companies sell you "world wide rights"?

Does that travel rule apply to illegal aliens, or just to Amearicans?

Anyhow, travel is different than home use. You are not going to bring your big screen TV or subwoofer along for a trip either!
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Anyhow, travel is different than home use. You are not going to bring your big screen TV or subwoofer along for a trip either!

And you're not going to drag all your BDs around. But with cloud, you can have all your movies whereever you go.

Believe it or not that will appeal to a good number of people. Want to show a friend a favorite? Fire it up on a streamer using your account at his place. (Rokus are tiny and easy to carry, and cheap.) Want to watch something your hotel doesn't offer? Easy peasy, use your laptop or iPad. Want to keep your kid entertained at an airport layover? Hand them your cellphone and take a nap while they watch Pixar films.

Cloud/streaming offers:
Protection for your movie investments
Access on the road
Instant purchase and watching
Access to online communities who can share info about movies

Is it up to BD standards? Not quite yet, but that's coming. And the masses don't really care, what it does now is fine for them.

Are BDs still around? Sure. We're in an inbetween period. No one said physical media is going away. But streaming/cloud is not this big hurdle that Exaggeratron wants you to think it is. That's why he's struggling to come up with increasingly outlandish "obstacles" to try to discredit streaming. The advantages of streaming and cloud based digital access is clear, and it's going to appeal to a lot of people.

Videophiles and HT enthusiasts will still have BDs. As said, Laserdisc lasted 30 years. It fell into a niche, but it stuck around.

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The thing of it is; I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I'm just not going to buy these scenario's as a resistance to change.

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A 100x greater chance of a memory stick getting lost or damaged as compared with your house burning down and burning your entire DVD colloection? More like 10 million times more likely.

According to Federal stats, there were 384,000 house fires in 2010:

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/fire-prevention/fires-factsheet.html

So how many memory stick failures per year are there? Please make sure you include a checkable link as opposed some BS you made up.
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Another roadblock to streaming: privacy.

Would you send a list of all the movies you own to Sony or Apple?

Its the same reason why Cash and Coins are still in circulation.
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'm just not going to buy these scenario's as a resistance to change.

Yeah, that's why Exagger... I mean, sog's arguments are just becoming nothing but internet chatter.

Right now you can choose streaming, physical media, and downloading. It's a GREAT time to be into movies. Buy what you want. Send your message to the industry with your dollars. Because everyone else is doing that.

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According to Federal stats, there were 384,000 house fires in 2010:
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/fire-prevention/fires-factsheet.html
So how many memory stick failures per year are there? Please make sure you include a checkable link as opposed some BS you made up.

link says nothing about the number of bluray/dvd collections lost. A report of a fire could be a simple thing like a bush being on fire in the back yard.

I dont know anyone who had their home totally destroyed by a fire.
Everyone I know has had a least one harddrive crash on them.
Personally I've had 4 harddrives crash on me in the last 5 years.
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Yeah, that's why Exagger... I mean, sog's arguments are just becoming nothing but internet chatter.
Right now you can choose streaming, physical media, and downloading. It's a GREAT time to be into movies. Buy what you want. Send your message to the industry with your dollars. Because everyone else is doing that.

I'm not exagerrating.

AGain how many average americans backup their entire harddrive each week?
10%?

If their harddrive crashes they will take weeks re-downloading the movies they purchased.
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link says nothing about the number of bluray/dvd collections lost. A report of a fire could be a simple thing like a bush being on fire in the back yard.
I dont know anyone who had their home totally destroyed by a fire.
Everyone I know has had a least one harddrive crash on them.
Personally I've had 4 harddrives crash on me in the last 5 years.

LMFAO! Now anecdotal evidience becomes concrete proof? rolleyes.gifeek.gif

Back up your claims with facts for a change . . . not BS.
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I'm not exagerrating.
AGain how many average americans backup their entire harddrive each week?
10%?
If their harddrive crashes they will take weeks re-downloading the movies they purchased.

Thanks for making our point . . . that they CAN re-download their movies. biggrin.gif

Oh . . . BTW . . . if al those movies are on your Ultraviolet account - nothing to download. Just stream them whenever you want.
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Barriers to Streaming killing Physical Media (90% market share)

1. Audio/Video Quality
2. Piracy - it will be easier to copy movies once they are on your harddrive
3. Not actually owning anything. Unless you burn it on a bluray disk which cost more $ for media and a burner and software.
4. Privacy. You want large corporations to know your entire movie collection?
5. Internet Infrastructure - way too slow at this point. Will take a decade just to solve this problem alone.
6. Big TV manufactuers like physical media. Their products look the best running bluray not streaming.
7. Price. Right now its costs more to buy digital copies even though their quality is worse.
8. Education. You need to educate tens of millions of people about cloud storage, wifi, off site backup, and burning discs.
9. Boxsets make ALOT of MONEY.
10. The emotion connection is just not their with digital media.

To overcome all those will take 15-20 years. I mean seriously, it took digital music over 10 years just to get to 50/50 with CD's. And the delivery of mp3's is a million times easier than HD video.
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Four hard drives in five years? What the heck was he doing to his computer. eek.gif

I had a hard drive crash. I popped in a new one and restored my files from Norton Ghost. That's 1997 technology, people.

Cloud tech takes that out of the equation anyway.

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Four hard drives in five years? What the heck was he doing to his computer. eek.gif
I had a hard drive crash. I popped in a new one and restored my files from Norton Ghost. That's 1997 technology, people.

I have had 4 PC's in the last 10 years . . . not a single hard drive crash.
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LMFAO! Now anecdotal evidience becomes concrete proof? rolleyes.gifeek.gif
Back up your claims with facts for a change . . . not BS.

"Much more importantly, though, are what I think are some very scary numbers about hard drive failure rates. For example, for drives older than 2 years, Google reports seeing about a 7% failure rate per year. Put another way, one out of every 14 drives will fail within a year."

http://ask-leo.com/your_hard_disk_is_more_likely_to_fail_than_you_think.html

thats much higher than your house being burnt down.
plus i have somthing called insurance on my house.
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Four hard drives in five years? What the heck was he doing to his computer. eek.gif
I had a hard drive crash. I popped in a new one and restored my files from Norton Ghost. That's 1997 technology, people.
Cloud tech takes that out of the equation anyway.

i know cloud will fix it.

but it will take weeks to download 100 terrabytes
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