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Only if those FACTS are relevant to a person. For someone who doesn't care about PQ or AQ or owning the movies they watch, then they are trival facts and nothing more.

LOL.

Explain if PQ and AQ don't mean crap to the mass:

Why has hundreds of millions of HDTV's been sold the last 5 years?
Or why has hundreds of millions of speaker systems/receivers been sold in the last 10 years?

If PQ/AQ did not matter to the masses we would still be using 20' tube TV's.
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Here is what i see in the near future (10-15 years):

Most streaming revenue will be from subscription or rentals.
Purchase for download will be a very small part of the overall market (about 20%)
Physical Media will still dominate Purchases but will continue to lose market share on rentals.

I just don't see Physical Media being replace by downloads as far as buying an actual movie.

What about gifts?
Can you imagine someone giving you a digital download as a gift? That just isn't the same as getting an actual DVD/BD. Seems really tacky to give someone a download.
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I have been paying the same $50 a month for Broadband from Comcast for the last three years.

and is your internet as fast as it was 3 years ago?
If so you are lucky. Most people have seen their internet speeds go down with more subscribers and bigger files being streamed/downloaded.

Its only common sense.
More streamers = more traffic = slower speeds.
Unless they upgrade infrastructure. Guess where the money spend on that gets passed to?
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LOL.
Explain if PQ and AQ don't mean crap to the mass:
Why has hundreds of millions of HDTV's been sold the last 5 years?
Or why has hundreds of millions of speaker systems/receivers been sold in the last 10 years?
If PQ/AQ did not matter to the masses we would still be using 20' tube TV's.
For the life of me I don't understand Lee's position on this subject.
He rejects any evidence contrary to his POV....

I just don't get it....unless he has a financial stake in the streaming industry?confused.gif
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I think many people underestimate the average person's ability to distinguish PQ and AQ.

My dad who is the farthest thing from being a techy asked me why certain channels on his HDTV looked so horrible. I told him those were the SD channels. My sister who is just like my dad mentioned that the sound on my system was AMAZING.

I bet 90% of the population can tell the difference between an HD and SD picture.
I bet 90% of the population can tell the difference between mono and 5.1 surround.

Why do we have IMAX?
Why do we have 3d?
Why are millions of subwoofers sold every year?
Why are hundreds of millions of HDTV's sold?
Why do people go to theaters?
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^^^well I think you're overestimating them at bit though.

I bet 90% of the population can tell the difference between an HD and SD picture.
hmmm 90? I"m not so sure.

I bet 90% of the population can tell the difference between mono and 5.1 surround.
hmmm 90? I'm n....ok nevermind wink.gif

Why do we have IMAX?
so the studios can make more money?

Why do we have 3d?
so the studios can make more money?

Why are millions of subwoofers sold every year?
Because Earth-shattering bass is da sh!t.

Why are hundreds of millions of HDTV's sold?
Because they're fairly cheap now and and there's no other choice?

Why do people go to theaters?
To be entertained. Most don't care and don't have a clue what's going on behind and/or inside the projector. They just want to watch a movie. Remember we're a very special, anal retentive niche over here tongue.gif
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LOL.
Explain if PQ and AQ don't mean crap to the mass:
Why has hundreds of millions of HDTV's been sold the last 5 years?

Because an HDTV is the only TV you can get. They stopped making SDTVs a while ago
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Or why has hundreds of millions of speaker systems/receivers been sold in the last 10 years?

Hundreds of millions? You got a link to back that up?
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If PQ/AQ did not matter to the masses we would still be using 20' tube TV's.

PQ/AQ doesn't matter to the masses. Most have a TV that is 42" or smaller and use the TV's speakers

If PQ and AQ mattered to the masses, wouldn't Netflix have considerably less than the 24 million streaming subs they currently have? Wouldn't BD have a bigger market share of sell-thru than it's current 25%, after 6+ years of being available?
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For the life of me I don't understand Lee's position on this subject.
He rejects any evidence contrary to his POV....
I just don't get it....unless he has a financial stake in the streaming industry?confused.gif

The evidence says that optical disc is in negtiave growth and has been for the last 5 years. Streaming is in positive growth.

So you are either uninformed or your own POV is clouded by your own desires as opposed to what the masses are doing.
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What about gifts?
Can you imagine someone giving you a digital download as a gift? That just isn't the same as getting an actual DVD/BD. Seems really tacky to give someone a download.

The only thing my teenaged godson ever wants for his birthday or Christmas are Xbox Live points. Give him a giftcard for that and he's psyched.

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and is your internet as fast as it was 3 years ago?

I have experienced no changes
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If so you are lucky. Most people have seen their internet speeds go down with more subscribers and bigger files being streamed/downloaded.

Guss I am lucky.
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Its only common sense.
More streamers = more traffic = slower speeds.
Unless they upgrade infrastructure. Guess where the money spend on that gets passed to?

They have been upgrading. You can get some really fast interest speeds now in select cities. Of course you pay extra for that but it is happening - like most things in life - slowly.
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As an alternate to streaming, you could simply pack a few DVDs for a trip.

Why? They take up too much space. I'm a One Bag devotee.

With streaming, I'm also not dependent on what I choose when I pack. I can choose from a lot of different movies. Same reason people are taking along ereaders that store lots of books rather than one or two paperbacks.

And I don't run the risk of my DVDs/BDs getting damaged or lost.
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For free wifi use, you could always use more of your downtime to post on AVS. Your post count is way below Lee's!

I post too much here already. frown.gif



For travel you could easily copy multiple movies / music that you own to your hard drive or to a blank DVD / whatever. Then you don't run into the risk of damage or loss of movie that way. If it is on your hard drive, you only have to worry about losing your laptop.


I need to cut down on my own posting & internet time in general, so I know what you mean. Just having a bit of fun with you after I noticed your post count.


By the way, I have no real objection to streaming. I have to move up to something like FIOS if I want to try to stream. I just prefer to spend my money on a hard copy rather than high speed internet. With care you can build up quite a library over time on $30 a month over what is in effect a forever time line. Stop paying for high speed internet, and no streaming no matter what you own in the cloud!
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For travel you could easily copy multiple movies / music that you own to your hard drive or to a blank DVD / whatever. Then you don't run into the risk of damage or loss of movie that way. If it is on your hard drive, you only have to worry about losing your laptop.

So what happens if your HD crashes. Some here think this is a regular occurence rolleyes.gif
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Stop paying for high speed internet, and no streaming no matter what you own in the cloud!

Stop paying electric bill and no watching discs no matter how many you own! biggrin.giftongue.gif
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LOL.
Explain if PQ and AQ don't mean crap to the mass:
Why has hundreds of millions of HDTV's been sold the last 5 years?
Or why has hundreds of millions of speaker systems/receivers been sold in the last 10 years?
If PQ/AQ did not matter to the masses we would still be using 20' tube TV's.

I work during the holidays at a big box selling electronics and here are a few numbers I remember from our vendors:

1/3rd of HDTVs are never connected to HD programming

I can't remember the percentage but most HTIB units never have the rear speakers plugged in (it was a selling point for wireless rear adapters)

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Integration for whole home ATSC, CableCARD, FM radio, Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, DVD, VHS control & capture, video games, and archived & streaming media playback
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For travel you could easily copy multiple movies / music that you own to your hard drive or to a blank DVD / whatever. Then you don't run into the risk of damage or loss of movie that way. If it is on your hard drive, you only have to worry about losing your laptop.

I have done that in the past. I like it better than lugging around optical discs (burned discs take up just as much space as store-bought discs, BTW.)

But again, you're dependent on what you load up in the first place, instead of being able to browse thousands of choices available online.

Plus with streaming, I don't have to necessarily use my laptop. I could use any computer I can happen to acquire for temporary use, i.e., borrowing a laptop, etc.

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The only thing my teenaged godson ever wants for his birthday or Christmas are Xbox Live points. Give him a giftcard for that and he's psyched.

Yeah, I don't see how giving a digital download is "tacky," considering it's the same thing as a gift card for anything else.

And really, a DVD/BD is just a bunch of bits. A digital download is a bunch of bits. They just come from different delivery methods.

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my wife and teenagers are perfectly happy to watch netflix streamed movies even if it has inferior pq and aq. they don't care.

i on the other hand watch only br releases with my sound system.

i think they're nuts and they think i'm nuts.


question, will h265 support 8k or only 4k?

neflixis our nemesis
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Yeah, I don't see how giving a digital download is "tacky," considering it's the same thing as a gift card for anything else.
And really, a DVD/BD is just a bunch of bits. A digital download is a bunch of bits. They just come from different delivery methods.

Dad: here is your gift son
son: where?
Dad: i just emailed it to you
son: cool a link to my favorite movie

TAcky
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For travel you could easily copy multiple movies / music that you own to your hard drive or to a blank DVD / whatever. Then you don't run into the risk of damage or loss of movie that way. If it is on your hard drive, you only have to worry about losing your laptop.

So what happens if your HD crashes. Some here think this is a regular occurence rolleyes.gif


Then wifi will not work either!wink.gif


I never had a hard drive crash meaning dead. I have had windows get corrupted a few times, but at least I had my original hard drive as a backup. Dual newer hard drives on my PC these days, with the original hard drive (can you say slowwwww) available as a backup.

I bought a 2 TB external USB hard drive a last winter, so now I do a complete OS backup every few months. I don't backup the other HD partitions on a regular basis, but I should sort that out before I get ino trouble wih a HD crash.
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The evidence says that optical disc is in negtiave growth and has been for the last 5 years. Streaming is in positive growth.
So you are either uninformed or your own POV is clouded by your own desires as opposed to what the masses are doing.

streaming is catching on.

but show me the numbers for movies BOUGHT, not rented.

I'm pretty sure that the GRAND MAJORITY of those sales are subscriptions/rentals.
People are using streaming instead of Cable in many cases.

optical disc is at negative because of the GREAT RECESSION. EVERY HEARD OF IT!
does not help that stores are selling BD for $40.

again show me the revenue for BOUGHT downloads vs BOUGHT Optical.
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Dad: Here's your gift son.
Son: What is it?
Dad: A DVD. It's a clunky physical item. Unlike a digital download you could watch anywhere, like on your phone or through your Playstation and all the conveniences that come with that, you have to physically load the disc. Oh, and if you scratch it, it's useless. And all your friends will make fun of you for using old technology.
Son: Just so you know, when you get old, I'm putting you in an old-folks home and never visiting you.


Avoid getting put in an old-folks home. Give digital downloads only.

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Stop paying for high speed internet, and no streaming no matter what you own in the cloud!

Stop paying electric bill and no watching discs no matter how many you own! biggrin.giftongue.gif



No streaming either!
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Keep dreaming then.
ISP's are moving more towards data caps and tiered data services, not away from them. How many 20-50GB files are you going to stream/DL a month, and at what cost? Maybe if Google or the Gov pushed Broadband OTA or something else soon...
Disc might end up dying, but it's going to be because of ultra cheap solid state media eventually. Think how big, yet tiny flash has become. Soon it'll be as cheap as discs to produce. Savings on shipping and distribution will then allow them better margins while passing on a few % savings to consumers (make media cheaper).

You are so on the mark, how did we go from the 80's 90's data caps to unlimited in the late 90's thru middle 2000's to now having data caps again. Everything and everyone on the planet is talking about steaming but there are now data caps and most at or around 150-200 gig. There is no way as you said that we can expect to see 20-50 high def files streamed to the house, it would take 5-10 movies a month to hit the cap, not to mention all the other services that require bandwidth. It is laughable that these companies did this and they did not even tell the customer. I found out one day when my AT&T bill went up $10 x 2. They said there is now a 150 GB data cap and it is $10 for every additional 50 GB I use. I made a joke and said it was very retro to start using data caps like they did 10-20 years ago, I did not get a laugh. So bottom line, no true high def in any foreseeable future unless you watch 1-2 movies a month. Comcast said they will not charge me they will simply shut of my internet if I exceed the cap to often after being warned.

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streaming is catching on.
but show me the numbers for movies BOUGHT, not rented.

The current price structure setup by the studios is not favorable to digital downloads.
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I'm pretty sure that the GRAND MAJORITY of those sales are subscriptions/rentals.
People are using streaming instead of Cable in many cases.

People are using streaming for many reasons but most important of all - for the convinence of it.
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optical disc is at negative because of the GREAT RECESSION. EVERY HEARD OF IT!
does not help that stores are selling BD for $40.

The Great Recession ended at rthe end of 2009 here in the USA. You didn't know this? I was at Walmart last week, Their BDs are price from $20 to $30. None I saw (just a single title or a BD Combo) were priced anywheres near $40. They even sell BDs for less than $10 - Catalog titles. Some less than $8
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again show me the revenue for BOUGHT downloads vs BOUGHT Optical.

See above - asked and answered.
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Because an HDTV is the only TV you can get. They stopped making SDTVs a while ago
Hundreds of millions? You got a link to back that up?
PQ/AQ doesn't matter to the masses. Most have a TV that is 42" or smaller and use the TV's speakers
If PQ and AQ mattered to the masses, wouldn't Netflix have considerably less than the 24 million streaming subs they currently have? Wouldn't BD have a bigger market share of sell-thru than it's current 25%, after 6+ years of being available?

BS.

Millions of working tube televisions were REPLACED with HDTV's because people wanted a better picture.
If you think tens of millions of HDTV were simply to replace broken tube tvs, then i cant help you.

People have netflix to take the place of cable tv.

by the way TENS of MILLIONS of people subscribe to HD programing. dont you think they care about picture quality?
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What about gifts?
Can you imagine someone giving you a digital download as a gift? That just isn't the same as getting an actual DVD/BD. Seems really tacky to give someone a download.
This is where I disagree, despite my resistance to streaming. I've received a number of download "gifts", including iTunes gift cards and Kindle Gift Cards.

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The current price structure setup by the studios is not favorable to digital downloads.
People are using streaming for many reasons but most important of all - for the convinence of it.
The Great Recession ended at rthe end of 2009 here in the USA. You didn't know this? I was at Walmart last week, Their BDs are price from $20 to $30. None I saw (just a single title or a BD Combo) were priced anywheres near $40. They even sell BDs for less than $10 - Catalog titles. Some less than $8
See above - asked and answered.

what planet are you on?
The Recession is STILL HERE. Millions are out of work.

You wonder why people went to streaming? Because its dirt cheap on Netflix $9.
Get rid of cable and do streaming.

With sales tax I see tons of BD close to $40.
By the way the MSRP for the Advengers Bluray is $39.99
Even $30 is ridiculous.
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No streaming either!

Well yes and no, until I need to charge my phone, kindle or laptop! biggrin.gif
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This is where I disagree, despite my resistance to streaming. I've received a number of download "gifts", including iTunes gift cards and Kindle Gift Cards.

I'm talking about buying a specific movie for someone.

Like a Holiday CD or a movie that is special.

Sending someone a link on an email is MEH, tacky.

To me gift cards are tacky too.
If you dont want to make an effort to buy something just give cash next time.
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what planet are you on?
The Recession is STILL HERE. Millions are out of work.
You wonder why people went to streaming? Because its dirt cheap on Netflix $9.
Get rid of cable and do streaming.
With sales tax I see tons of BD close to $40.
By the way the MSRP for the Advengers Bluray is $39.99
Even $30 is ridiculous.

The Recession is over according to our Government!

You pay MSRP? My preorder for the Avengers 3D Blu-ray Combo is $24....Where do you buy your BDs from??!! eek.gif
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