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If they decide on a sequel it would have to have a vastly reduced budget, one would think, considering the disappointing box office. And since a franchise would require an equivalent bucket-load of blockbuster CGI effects, it doesn't seem possible.
How about some decent writing?
How about taking the directing chores away from GDT?

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On what is probably a REST served article you can cut the URL at the question mark. The "rest" of the info is to track usually you for ad selling purposes and statistics. Thus this shorter link works:
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I just got back from seeing this and Im not sure what everyone is complaining about. I thought the movie was great fun! Its no Godfather but it is what it is & thats badass robots fighting badass monsters with some great CGI. If you cant go into a movie like this and just have fun with it then something is wrong. This one should be quite the sub tester when it comes out on blu-ray!
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I just got back from seeing this and Im not sure what everyone is complaining about. I thought the movie was great fun! Its no Godfather but it is what it is & thats badass robots fighting badass monsters with some great CGI. If you cant go into a movie like this and just have fun with it then something is wrong. This one should be quite the sub tester when it comes out on blu-ray!

My main gripe was more on the execution front. The monsters were mostly unremarkable gooey bags, and a lot of the monster CGI made it hard to really appreciate the monsters. I WANTED more from GDT in terms of creative design of the monsters at the standard he set with Pan's Labyrinth. The theory around the breach and Kaiju was a big :rolleyes bordering on fantasy/supernatural:, but whatever. I wish they approached it on a more scientific/sci-fi level than on a pure fantasy level.
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I just got back from seeing this and Im not sure what everyone is complaining about. I thought the movie was great fun! Its no Godfather but it is what it is & thats badass robots fighting badass monsters with some great CGI. If you cant go into a movie like this and just have fun with it then something is wrong. This one should be quite the sub tester when it comes out on blu-ray!
It is fun. There are things happening on multiple levels also that add depth to the movie that some of it's critics seem to ignore. For even more fun see it at theater with Dolby Atmos.

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I thought this was a great article

http://stormingtheivorytower.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/the-visual-intelligence-of-pacific-rim.html?m=1

At risk of oversimplifying, it's making a case that as much of the story, if not more, is told visually than through the dialogue. Writing this movie off as simple is the result of not taking the time (or possibly not being attuned) to the visual cues going on in the movie.
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I thought this was a great article

http://stormingtheivorytower.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/the-visual-intelligence-of-pacific-rim.html?m=1

At risk of oversimplifying, it's making a case that as much of the story, if not more, is told visually than through the dialogue. Writing this movie off as simple is the result of not taking the time (or possibly not being attuned) to the visual cues going on in the movie.

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I just got back from seeing this and Im not sure what everyone is complaining about.
I don't know about "everyone", but my main complaint was a missed opportunity for emotional connection with the audience.

The movie starts off by introducing a character that was inside his brother's mind at the very moment his brother died, experiencing everything his older sibling did in his final moments. Why wasn't this part of the story told the way the main character was introduced in Pixar's 'Up'? When old man Karl loses his wife, I could hear sniffles throughout the audience. No dialogue needed, and he wasn't even mind-melding with her at the time. There's no reason 'Pacific Rim' shouldn't have been able to drive a similarly emotional hook into the viewer.

Then we're introduced to another character that watched everything (and everyone) she loved get destroyed before her eyes, with only a child's comprehension to make sense of what just happened. Compare that scene to the moment in 'E.T.' when Gertie has to watch an alien get zapped with defibrillator paddles as it dies. Come on, it's a rubber puppet and the audience was bawling. I know Del Toro could have gotten more out of that scene with the little girl because I saw him do exactly that in Pan's Labyrinth'. Don't know why he didn't do that here, since it would have been the perfect antidote for an effects heavy film.

Like I said in a previous post: I went in wanting to love this film, but ended up just liking it. Nothing wrong with that, but it could have been so much more. What a missed opportunity for some real emotion.

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I know Del Toro could have gotten more out of that scene with the little girl because I saw him do exactly that in Pan's Labyrinth'.

I actually thought this scene was quite moving (and the little girl was an excellent actress, by the by).

I really liked the movie. It seemed an even split of a meld of Transformers--duh--Gojira--also duh--and Starship Troopers. It was the last influence I found the most interesting, in fact I thought the behind the scenes world del Toro created was more gripping than the actual battles. The battles suffered in that it was never too clear what was required to take down the Kaijus, so it was hard to figure out just who was winning and who was losing. It was also interesting to spot other influences such as Blade Runner for the Perlman scenes, and the extremely clever, double homage to Alien (of the same scene!) And at the very end del Toro dedicates the film to the memory of Ray Harryhausen and Ishiro Honda, which was a classy thing to do.

This may not be succeeding at the box office here, but I suspect it will kill overseas, and that the faithful will faithfully pony up for DVDs and Blu-rays (and are probably already going bit torrent on it). I seldom sit near the screen anymore, but I did for this one, and it was mightily impressive. If you miss it on a really big screen you will be sorry.
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I went into the theater (saw it in IMAX 3D) thinking it would be okay because the trailer didn't really do it for me....in fact, I didn't even finish watching the trailer. I like monster movies, sci-fi movies, the first Transformers film, etc. so it's not like this type of movie is something that automatically wouldn't be my style. Anyway, I came out of that theater surprised, saying holy %&$&!

This will probably sound corny to some, but the CGI was amazing and made me think about how there's really no limits anymore other than the human imagination when it comes to film. (The very first time I felt like that in regards to CGI was when I saw Jurassic Park.) And I hope that Ron Perlman's suit counts as a special effect because it should....

The only complaint I have is that I wish I could have seen the fight scenes from more of a distant perspective.... The view was so close that I felt I was missing some stuff. The battles were epic....there's no other way I can describe it.

I enjoyed seeing Guillermo's style in this, too... Focusing on the little girl's terror and the bleakness, the design of the creatures, etc. As most people have said, this isn't a movie you generally go to a for a Deep, Emotional Experience (tm), but there was some drama and heart to it, too.

Totally fun, visually jaw-dropping movie and I think you're missing out if you're waiting for it to be on blu-ray, etc.
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I know Del Toro could have gotten more out of that scene with the little girl because I saw him do exactly that in Pan's Labyrinth'.

I actually thought this scene was quite moving (and the little girl was an excellent actress, by the by).

I agree. As noted in earlier posts, I thought that Pacific Rim was little better than mediocre. Nevertheless, one of its principal strengths was the moving scene that depicted the little girl seeing her world being destroyed. Were it that the whole film could have been that strong.
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Just saw it Monday at a cheap theater and was pleasantly surprised. This is basically Saturday matinee fare done very well. If you have higher expectations, you will be very disappointed. If you enjoyed Godzilla movies as a kid, it might delight you. I am in the latter category.

The only thing that would have made this movie great is a scene where a kaiju was obviously a guy in a monster suit.

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Just saw it Monday at a cheap theater and was pleasantly surprised. This is basically Saturday matinee fare done very well. If you have higher expectations, you will be very disappointed. If you enjoyed Godzilla movies as a kid, it might delight you. I am in the latter category.

The only thing that would have made this movie great is a scene where a kaiju was obviously a guy in a monster suit.
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This was pretty bad, like the Hellboy movies. GDT is going for some kind of weird over-the-top, bad dialogue, bad acting style, which I guess appeals to some.

Wait for it to hit TBS.
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The script follows the exact formula dictated by studio execs for all high budget films. They have an actual formula to follow, with an outline of how many pages for dialog, followed pages of action, followed by pages of filler, followed by more action, followed by comedy, etc. etc. This is no joke. That's what's happening at the studios and why all of these films recycled, with the same moments, the same insipid one liners that are variations on other one liners.

One reason why so much talent is heading to television is that studio films are no longer creative.

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That's funny because I find most stuff on tv (even all that "good" stuff) not very interesting or creative.


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Seriously, there are some incredible TV shows on right now if you know where to look. It's not all reality shows and retread cop/CSI dramas. And it's certainly better than the explosion of derivative movies out in the last several years.

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One place to look: AMC (Breaking Bad; Hell on Wheels). Another: FX (The Americans, Justified). Another: HBO (Game of Thrones, Newsroom, Treme, Boardwalk Village). Another: Showtime (Dexter, Ray Donovan). Another: Netflix (House of Cards, Orange is the New Black, Arrested Development S-3). Heck, even the History Channel created a crackling good drama last year in 'The Vikings'. In fact, there's such an embarrassment of riches on the "boob tube" right now I find myself having to triage out some great shows I wish I had time to watch. Movies only make up about 10% of my entertainment viewing these days.
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TV Shows are far better than movies right now. Movies are designed for box office and that's about it other than some indies. TV Shows need to hang on to people longer.
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Forgot about them - 'Orphan Black' is an incredibly entertaining and well-conceived show (and star Tatiana Maslany might be the Hardest Workin' Woman in Show Business). And of course there's 'Dr. Who'. Who doesn't like 'Who'? smile.gif
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Yeah, I'm really into Broadchurch right now.

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It's a travesty she didn't get more awards for that.

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Hmm. Maybe it's a love for typical character drama. I'm still in my twenties so I get plenty real life drama. I don't however have enough explosions in my life.
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Ripper Street had a couple of explosions. smile.gif And depicted the first ever snuff film in the pilot episode.

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What a giant pile of steaming ****... Is this a Micheal Bay film... ? It woulde explain A LOT.

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The most disappointing movie I have seen in a long time (and probably M. Bay is at fault too).biggrin.gif

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