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carp's Avatar carp 03:16 PM 07-19-2013
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Now that Woods of Ypres is something I can dig on. Dark and gloomy but the lyrics are understandable. Groovy.

In that case you should buy all things Type O Negative. VERY underrated band IMO, such good song writing abilities and I love Steele's voice.

Assuming you don't already know all about them of course.

Sibuna's Avatar Sibuna 12:49 PM 07-20-2013
Carp im sure you are aware of this. but if not

carp's Avatar carp 02:29 PM 07-20-2013
Yeah I'll be dragging my wife to that for sure!
jonathanc's Avatar jonathanc 01:47 PM 07-23-2013
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Now Playing: Woods of Ypres - song is called Finality.

The youtube version sounds terrible compared to Spotify but here you go.


This album was recommended by Don Jamison on That Metal Show. My interest was perked when he compared them to Type O Negative. They do have their similarities, the singer sounds a hell of a lot like the singer from Crash Test Dummies. Remember that song? Hmm hmmm hmmmm hmmmmm. Haha, I actually kind of liked that song.

Anyway, this album has some incredibly beautiful moments especially the second half of the album. Their are parts of "Kiss My Ashes Goodbye" that really give me goosebumps.

Looks like the lead singer was just recently killed in a car crash. So sad, he was the song writer so the band is done. I'm going to check out all their stuff, this is their 5th album. I have such a soft spot for sad sounding melodies.

This is pretty sad. Baritone singers have bad luck.
Sibuna's Avatar Sibuna 06:54 PM 07-23-2013
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Now Playing: Woods of Ypres - song is called Finality.

The youtube version sounds terrible compared to Spotify but here you go.


This album was recommended by Don Jamison on That Metal Show. My interest was perked when he compared them to Type O Negative. They do have their similarities, the singer sounds a hell of a lot like the singer from Crash Test Dummies. Remember that song? Hmm hmmm hmmmm hmmmmm. Haha, I actually kind of liked that song.

Anyway, this album has some incredibly beautiful moments especially the second half of the album. Their are parts of "Kiss My Ashes Goodbye" that really give me goosebumps.

Looks like the lead singer was just recently killed in a car crash. So sad, he was the song writer so the band is done. I'm going to check out all their stuff, this is their 5th album. I have such a soft spot for sad sounding melodies.

man that sucks, definitely digging that track

on a lighter note im sitting here blasting some Amorphis at about the limits of my ears

and my cat is just sitting here. not a care given

beastaudio's Avatar beastaudio 07:07 PM 07-23-2013
Cats...The devil's eyes right there....No wonder the feline likes it
Gates's Avatar Gates 10:09 PM 07-23-2013
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Tool does some great things with time signatures as well

picked up a bunch of new stuff recenly (new to me anyway)

Kalmah
Tristania
a pale horse named death
Tesseract
Devin Townsend Project
Persefone

I just got into Kalmah myself and I love it! Dance of the Water is a really catchy tune. That and the band Symphony X.
Sibuna's Avatar Sibuna 06:15 AM 07-24-2013
ive been into Symphony X for a long time, we discussed it earlier in this thread, highly underrated imo

most of not all of their albums are excellent
Sibuna's Avatar Sibuna 08:52 AM 07-24-2013
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Now Playing: Woods of Ypres - song is called Finality.

The youtube version sounds terrible compared to Spotify but here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MpdIi_V_tE


This album was recommended by Don Jamison on That Metal Show. My interest was perked when he compared them to Type O Negative. They do have their similarities, the singer sounds a hell of a lot like the singer from Crash Test Dummies. Remember that song? Hmm hmmm hmmmm hmmmmm. Haha, I actually kind of liked that song.

Anyway, this album has some incredibly beautiful moments especially the second half of the album. Their are parts of "Kiss My Ashes Goodbye" that really give me goosebumps.

Looks like the lead singer was just recently killed in a car crash. So sad, he was the song writer so the band is done. I'm going to check out all their stuff, this is their 5th album. I have such a soft spot for sad sounding melodies.

So ive listned to all of the album that song is from and TBH its flat out amazing. Really sucks that he died young, man they had some serious talent and made some great music
beastaudio's Avatar beastaudio 08:55 AM 07-24-2013
Agreed, I have given a few tracks a light listen but I really need to go through the whole thing and really dig into it smile.gif
carp's Avatar carp 11:31 AM 07-24-2013
Yeah, when I listened the first time all the way through I was thinking, wow this is pretty good but I was surfing the forum and not giving the music my full attention.

Then all of a sudden (around 5:50 mark and on from Kiss My Ashes Goodbye) I perk up and was compelled to put the lap top down and just listen to the rest of the album since it was sooo good.
carp's Avatar carp 04:03 PM 07-24-2013
I'm digging Kalmah - The Seventh Swamphony album right now, thanks for the recommendation guys. Good stuff.
carp's Avatar carp 05:03 PM 07-24-2013
Ok, question time. That Metal Show used to do top 5 lists, like debut album, drummers, album cover, etc. and I rarely agree with much they say especially Eddie. Don had a lot of good lists though.

Ok, so first question... I'm not very creative so I'm probably going to be stealing list questions from the show.




What is your top 5 sophomore albums? Think of it more like what 2nd albums were a huge leap from the artist debut album.



5. Tie - Def Leppard High n Dry Motley Crue Shout at the Devil

Yes, I admit I was into some of the would be hair bands as a kid. However, I still think both of these albums are huge improvements from their first albums and I still like both of them even though both bands started putting out turds.

4. Type O Negative - Bloody Kisses

Yeah, yeah, technically it's their 3rd album but Origin of the Feces (hehe) was just a rehashing of the stuff from their first album.

3. Tool - Aenima

Yes, Undertow is great (and Opiate is an EP, doesn't count as an album). Aenima is that much better and truly defined who Tool is as a band IMO.

2. Dream Theater - Images and Words

This one takes the cake if not for Metallica. Production, song writing, pretty much everything so much better on Images and Words. Still my favorite album of DT's and easily in my top 10 all time.

1. Metallica - Ride the Lightning

I know some prefer Kill 'em All and I love it too but it does not touch how great Ride the Lightning is. They created something that didn't exist to this point. Thrash metal that truly had GREAT melodies while creating amazing atmosphere moods with their music. I love straight ahead thrashing but when you can combine that with beauty and more complex song structures I'm sold (see Fade to Black and Call of Ktulu) Speaking of Ktulu... a 9 minute metal instrumental? Seriously? Amazing for anytime period but for 1984 this album was beyond ground breaking. Not that radio would touch any of the album for way too many years. Ha, and they were still teenagers when they wrote the album.

Even more amazing... they topped themselves again on their next album - and wrote an even better 9 minute instrumental. smile.gif



Hmmm I'm surprised no obscure metal made my list, but I couldn't think of anything. My pics were all albums I've liked for many years, I didn't want to pick anything too "new". I love Morningrise but it's very similar (but better than) Orchid. In Flames with The Jester Race should probably be on the list. Iced Earth Night of the Stormrider too (3rd album Burnt Offerings is better).

Ok, rip my list apart and make your own. biggrin.gif
carp's Avatar carp 05:04 PM 07-24-2013
BTW, of course feel free to just type a quick top 5 or even top 1 without explanations if you don't have as much time to kill as I do. smile.gif
Sibuna's Avatar Sibuna 05:22 PM 07-24-2013
this took some thought as i kept going right to a bunch of bands 3rd album, i had to think to not include DT and Metallica

5: Tie - In Flames - The Jester Race & Alice in Chains - Dirt (AiC is so much more metal than Crue or Lepaord
Jester Race is just sonically better than Lunar strain. Better vocals with the addition of Anders. better guitar work. Really the album that starter the whole Melodeath Genera
Dirt is an amazing album and has been one of my faves ever since i first heard it. Its harder, faster and darker than facelift. The harmonizing between Jerry and Lane is supurb

4: Rage Against the Machine - Bulls on Parade
I simply like this better than the first one

3: System of a Down - Toxicity
A friend of mine described SOADs first album as a "bunch of screaming nonsense" i think that fits. Toxicity is better vocally and musically the vocals are better in delivery and writing. musically the album feels much more whole. with its mix of almost thrash with more modern rock vibes

2) Megadeth - Peace Sells... but Who's Buying?
Megadeths RTL - first album was raw and poorly produced. some good tracks but IMO falls behind Peace Sells, which is where the band and Dave start to really become their own, Its a thrash masterpiece. lyrically and musically amazing

1) Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy
I don't count their self titled album before Russell Allen joined- lyrically its amazing. musically its amazing, the incorporation of classical music influences & classical literature is just amazing.
carp's Avatar carp 08:25 PM 07-24-2013
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this took some thought as i kept going right to a bunch of bands 3rd album, i had to think to not include DT and Metallica

5: Tie - In Flames - The Jester Race & Alice in Chains - Dirt (AiC is so much more metal than Crue or Lepaord
Jester Race is just sonically better than Lunar strain. Better vocals with the addition of Anders. better guitar work. Really the album that starter the whole Melodeath Genera
Dirt is an amazing album and has been one of my faves ever since i first heard it. Its harder, faster and darker than facelift. The harmonizing between Jerry and Lane is supurb

4: Rage Against the Machine - Bulls on Parade
I simply like this better than the first one

3: System of a Down - Toxicity
A friend of mine described SOADs first album as a "bunch of screaming nonsense" i think that fits. Toxicity is better vocally and musically the vocals are better in delivery and writing. musically the album feels much more whole. with its mix of almost thrash with more modern rock vibes

2) Megadeth - Peace Sells... but Who's Buying?
Megadeths RTL - first album was raw and poorly produced. some good tracks but IMO falls behind Peace Sells, which is where the band and Dave start to really become their own, Its a thrash masterpiece. lyrically and musically amazing

1) Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy
I don't count their self titled album before Russell Allen joined- lyrically its amazing. musically its amazing, the incorporation of classical music influences & classical literature is just amazing.

Nice list!! I was going to put Dirt on mine - love it. I like it a lot more obviously than my #5. I guess I didn't put it on because Facelift (while not as good) is still such a great album.

I like Peace Sells a lot, another great call. Rust in Piece is their masterpiece IMO.

Even though System of a Down doesn't really fit my taste I do love that album and I thought about including it but wasn't positive it was their second.

Is Divine Wings of Tragedy as good as Paradise Lost? I really like that album. I'll have to check it out.
Sibuna's Avatar Sibuna 08:56 PM 07-24-2013
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Nice list!! I was going to put Dirt on mine - love it. I like it a lot more obviously than my #5. I guess I didn't put it on because Facelift (while not as good) is still such a great album.

I like Peace Sells a lot, another great call. Rust in Piece is their masterpiece IMO.

Even though System of a Down doesn't really fit my taste I do love that album and I thought about including it but wasn't positive it was their second.

Is Divine Wings of Tragedy as good as Paradise Lost? I really like that album. I'll have to check it out.

I agree with you on pretty much everything.

first thing i thought of for this was Beneath the Remains by Sepultura which happens to be their 3rd album. also thought of including Hatebreeder by Bodom and Overkill by Motorhead

i actually was not a big fan of system even after that album came out, i liked it but at that time i didn't really like the screaming vocals as much from their first album so i didn't really pay much attention to it other then what was played on the radio. I saw them in Concert in 2002 and that pretty much changed everything. It was a few months before "Steal this Album" came out. and to this day its one of the best concerts ive ever been to. they are simply amazing live, and toxicity is great start to finish


and yes IMO Divine Wings is as good as Paradise Lost
Nuance's Avatar Nuance 10:19 PM 07-24-2013
I like Paradise Lost a little better - it's just more polished and fluid. YMMV. It's Symphony X's best to date IMO.
jonathanc's Avatar jonathanc 10:39 PM 07-24-2013
Pretending that Pantera started with Cowboys from Hell, I'd say the jump from cowboys to vulgar display of power was huge and the advance ties pretty much anything out there.

Damn did that album shred. It's like the anti-Black Album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3JSbOt7CLo
jonathanc's Avatar jonathanc 10:43 PM 07-24-2013
To be honest ive resisted listening to that Woods of Ypres album because it sounds so much like Peter Steele and it makes me sad. I might as well give it a go.
carp's Avatar carp 10:59 PM 07-24-2013
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Pretending that Pantera started with Cowboys from Hell, I'd say the jump from cowboys to vulgar display of power was huge and the advance ties pretty much anything out there.

Damn did that album shred. It's like the anti-Black Album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3JSbOt7CLo

Ha, exactly! I thought of Vulgar but those damn glam albums made me not include it. Nice call.
carp's Avatar carp 11:05 PM 07-24-2013
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To be honest ive resisted listening to that Woods of Ypres album because it sounds so much like Peter Steele and it makes me sad. I might as well give it a go.

Try this song out, gives me the Type O Negative vibe too:




Make sure to up the quality to 480 or is sounds like poo. It still sounds like poo so look it up on Spotify.
Sibuna's Avatar Sibuna 06:11 AM 07-25-2013
this one sounds less like crap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgXRIb-8r7k
carp's Avatar carp 12:42 AM 08-01-2013
Now Playing: To Live Is To Die - f'n love it.


Ok, next question. Hopefully there are some other AC/DC fans out there.


What is you favorite AC/DC album (excluding Back 'n Black and Highway to Hell since most will pick one of these 2.)

Mine is Powerage. Something about that album... in fact I think it might be my favorite AC/DC album over all. It has this raw, bluesy, dark (hmmm not sure dark is the right word), quality that to me sets it apart from anything else the band has ever done. Favorite songs are Down Payment Blues and What's Next to the Moon but the whole thing is great.

You gotta love Bon Scott. I think I would have to pick him as my all time favorite front man.

"I know I ain't doin' much... doin' nothing means a lot to me." smile.gif
jonathanc's Avatar jonathanc 12:54 AM 08-02-2013
darthrsg's Avatar darthrsg 11:00 AM 08-02-2013
Some of youse guise might like some of these. I enjoyed a few.
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/heardmentality/2013/07/top_10_straight_edge_bands_wit.php
jonathanc's Avatar jonathanc 11:28 AM 08-02-2013
I follow a "straight edge" lifestyle, but I don't really see the point in labelling myself sXe for stuff I don't do. To each their own. Also, by definition, the straight edge movement was meant to be aggressively against unhealthy lifestyles, to the point of treating those who don't live a straight edge way as an enemy. Seems that these days a lot of these bands want the street cred edge label, without the confrontation.
darthrsg's Avatar darthrsg 01:33 PM 08-02-2013
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I follow a "straight edge" lifestyle, but I don't really see the point in labelling myself sXe for stuff I don't do. To each their own. Also, by definition, the straight edge movement was meant to be aggressively against unhealthy lifestyles, to the point of treating those who don't live a straight edge way as an enemy. Seems that these days a lot of these bands want the street cred edge label, without the confrontation.
That point was mentioned in the article.
palmettokrawler's Avatar palmettokrawler 01:45 PM 08-02-2013
Woah, I'm so glad to find this thread and will have to read more and elaborate later! But for me,

1. Kill 'em All & earlier demo stuff from Metallica. Especially every song written, performed and covered with Mustain in the line up. That solo in Am I Evil? (props to Diamond Head) gets me every time, so killer! I've been working on getting some of their early vinyl as I'm getting into that lately as well.

That said, there is a definite and very respectable progression through the next 2 and even third albums from Metallica and they rank up there with me as well, but the early RAW stuff, that's where it's at for me! My God, to think what could have been had Dave not been kicked out for "partying too hard"!
ambesolman's Avatar ambesolman 01:58 PM 08-02-2013
Yeah, kicked outta Alcoholica for partying too hard. Go figure.
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