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metalreviews.com

I don't remember seeing this site listed on the thread. I've looked at particular albums on it for several years, but just recently looked at everything from 2000 - now. Well, not everything. Mainly just thrash and death. Over the years I've grown away from any metal that isn't either bludgeoning (as Carp describes - the stuff that makes you crinkle your nose like you smelled something bad), or super tight. If I'm going to listen to "lighter" stuff I'd just as soon listen to SRV, Led Zep, Robin Trower or something in that vein. I haven't found anything worthwhile I didn't already have in the 2000 - now reviews, except the Drunkard album. But those into other genres might.
I don't necessarily agree with their ratings, although, IMO, they tend to get it somewhat close in the thrash and pure death genres much of the time. Like Metal Archives they seem to prefer the more modern dissonant, thinner sounding death metal and are big into black metal, power metal and melodic death metal. But just because they rate something 70/100 (Aeon - Aeons Black ... that's absolutely blasphemous ) doesn't mean it isn't brilliant, so don't automatically bypass it. Likewise, just because they rate something 100/100 (Demonoid - Riders of the Apocalypse) don't think it's going to be the next coming of Metallica's Master of Puppets.
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I've been listening to metal my entire life.. It all started when I was still in the crib. I shared a bedroom with one of my brothers, and he would play black sabbath and ozzy records, and I'd hang on to the side of the crib and jam along.. thus started the epic journey of metal! LOL. I remember going to school in first grade with my ride the lightning and master of puppets cassettes, and listening to them with a buddy of mine on the classroom tape deck with headphones in the morning. Metallica was my favorite band for the longest time, probably up until I was 12?(1994), when I came back to CT for the summer and stayed with my brother (the one with the sabbath and ozzy records)

His neighbor downstairs was always out on the porch blasting cannibal corpse and obituary albums, and I was like OMG what is this stuff?, since I'd never heard death metal before. I ended up making copies of the tapes, and my other brother found out, and he got me death's individual thought patterns, sepultura's arise and chaos ad albums for my birthday. My head was exploding since as far as I knew, metallica was the heaviest thing in the universe at that point. It was a downhill slope from there. I came back to FL, and ended up buying obituary's world demise and cannibal corpse's the bleeding albums with my allowance. It was after this that I was on a quest to find more badass metal, and I've since gotten into all kinds of stuff, from death metal, black metal, stoner doom, ny hardcore, some industrial stuff, blah blah

I'm 32 now, and still a diehard metal fan.. some people grow out of it, like my brother that got me the death metal albums for my birthday.. he was as metal as they come, and said I would grow out of it too, but I don't see that happening any time soon. Some people just have it ingrained into them. I can appreciate all kinds of music, and do like other stuff, but if you look at my itunes library, it's about 99% metal

I have to say that probably my top three metal albums of all time are:

Pro-pain - The Truth Hurts
Sepultura - Chaos AD
Obituary - World Demise

I'm sure most haven't heard of Pro-pain, but this is their best album - The Truth Hurts

http://youtu.be/LxaAJWrh2xQ

The Project Hate MCMXCIX (awesome black/death/symphonic band that you've probably never heard of. Armageddon March Eternal, and In Hora Mortis Nostrae are their best albums)

http://youtu.be/WglFspSD2BY (youtube quality isn't the best)

Good stuff Cryptic1911. LOVE Sepultura's Arise and Chaos AD and I've heard quite a bit of Pro-Pain including that album and it's good - haven't heard all of the World Demise album I don't think, I'll look it up on google play.

BTW guys, I recently switched from Spotify to Google Play. Google Play has a very similar library to Spotify, not sure which has more music but I bet it's close. Where Google Play destroys Spotify is the radio. With Spotify you get the same artists over and over again and most are well known, with Google Play the variety is awesome and many artists I haven't heard of before. I kept the radio on progressive metal most of the day yesterday and didn't get bored. I love the interface too, nice and bright (I often use my projector screen when surfing through artists) not all dark like Spotify. Also, if there is a youtube video of the song you are listening to you can click one button and the video starts playing.

The sound quality - I thought I could tell the difference between Google Play and CD's/Flac, I would have bet a lot of money that FLAC sounded better. However a friend and I did a blind test and neither could accurately pick between FLAC and Google Play (I believe it's 320 when you pay the 10 bucks a month) even though we thought the difference was obvious before trying it blind. So, yeah, the sound quality is great too!

Cryptic - yeah, I agree with you that with some of us metal is just ingrained. Your in your 30's I doubt you are going to "grow out of it". At 41 I can guarantee I'm going to love metal for life. Like you I can appreciate other kinds of music, last night my wife and daughters were putting on videos from youtube on my system and even thought it's not music I'd ever pick I still enjoyed it - helps that I absolutely love how my system sounds. However, when left to my own devices I always default to metal, always have and always will.

Oh, and Smitty - Aeon's Black 70/100?!?!?! Haha, I'm with you on that one. Almost makes me not want to check out that website....but I will.
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The sound quality - I thought I could tell the difference between Google Play and CD's/Flac, I would have bet a lot of money that FLAC sounded better. However a friend and I did a blind test and neither could accurately pick between FLAC and Google Play (I believe it's 320 when you pay the 10 bucks a month) even though we thought the difference was obvious before trying it blind. So, yeah, the sound quality is great too!
Yeah, I've read several blind tests where no one could consistently pick out the difference at 256 kbps and above. I don't dare mention that in the audio forums here though .

I started downloading Amazon MP3 after I did that research. They're 256. I don't have the speakers that some of you guys do though. I do most of my listening on either Phase Tech Teatro 7.5 VDT or JBL LSR2325 with modest subs. I could probably fit all my subs from all my rooms inside one of your subs.
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Yeah, I've read several blind tests where no one could consistently pick out the difference at 256 kbps and above. I don't dare mention that in the audio forums here though .

I started downloading Amazon MP3 after I did that research. They're 256. I don't have the speakers that some of you guys do though. I do most of my listening on either Phase Tech Teatro 7.5 VDT or JBL LSR2325 with modest subs. I could probably fit all my subs from all my rooms inside one of your subs.
I've been a part of quite a few blind GTG (get-to-gether yes I'm an audio dork ). I've been to a blind subwoofer meet, hosted a blind speaker meet, hosted a blind amplifier meet, and attended 3 other blind speaker meets.

What I've learned:


1. Amps sound identical if you keep them below clipping levels. It becomes obvious when you can IMMEDIATELY A/B the amps with no delay between switching - also the volume needs to be level matched to within .1 or .2 decibels

2. Price sometimes doesn't mean anything when comparing speakers. I've heard $2000 speakers that I'd take over $10,000 speakers and vice versa.

3. Differences that seems so obvious when not blind become very difficult to pick out or impossible when blind.

4. Like I said above, I cannot tell the difference between FLAC and 320, and like you say I bet 256 or maybe even lower would be impossible to tell as well.

5. ^ Way off topic ^ so I'll bring it back to metal. I did one blind comparison with a group of friends and when non metal music was playing I didn't have much of a preference. When we played metal I immediately noticed a huge difference. One pair sounded awful and I didn't want to listen to them, and another pair sounded great. We then went back to non-metal and once again I could hardly tell the difference... weird.

Ok, back to metal.
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Hope some of the experienced metal heads can help me out.

Looking for suggestions.

Bands/songs that are as similar as possible in style/tone and vocals to Nightwish - Nemo

Suggestions?
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Hope some of the experienced metal heads can help me out.

Looking for suggestions.

Bands/songs that are as similar as possible in style/tone and vocals to Nightwish - Nemo

Suggestions?

I highly recommend Within Temptation - but - I find their concert blu ray is a lot better than listening to their studio albums. In fact it's so good it's my favorite concert disk and I have a ton including Nightwish End of an Era.

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Symphony...pr_product_top


You could check out the CD version on Spotify or Google Play to hear the songs.

I also really like After Forever's first album called Prison of Desire, but it does have some death vocals and you may not like that but it's beautiful music at least to my ears.





Epica's first album was also really good.

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Here is the Black Symphony concert. Sound quality doeosn't compare to blu ray disk but you'll get the idea.

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Looks like you can play the whole concert one part at a time. ^
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Main riff has a Celtic Frost vibe to it, only this is full-blown death metal. This is actually the brothers who formed the old death metal band Incubus.

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One woman black metal act from Denmark. Found it on bandcamp. Recording leaves something to be desired regarding the drums but otherwise I really like it.
She's got this guy producing her new album:


Spoiler!
Hopefully he does some guest vocals.

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She's got this guy producing her new album:


Spoiler!
Hopefully he does some guest vocals.
Cool. Any idea on the release date?

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Cool. Any idea on the release date?
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Latest release (2008) from an old death metal band. Different from their earlier releases.

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I highly recommend Within Temptation - but - I find their concert blu ray is a lot better than listening to their studio albums. In fact it's so good it's my favorite concert disk and I have a ton including Nightwish End of an Era.

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Symphony...pr_product_top


You could check out the CD version on Spotify or Google Play to hear the songs.

I also really like After Forever's first album called Prison of Desire, but it does have some death vocals and you may not like that but it's beautiful music at least to my ears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE8FyKIJFwQ




Epica's first album was also really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v9PSbz9-88
Thanks for the suggestions but I didn't like either of these. The other link in your next post didn't work so can't say about that. I will look into Within Temptation some more.
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Thanks for the suggestions but I didn't like either of these. The other link in your next post didn't work so can't say about that. I will look into Within Temptation some more.

Have you checked out the other Nightwish albums? There is a lot of hit and miss on every album, but if you like the song Nemo I would think you could find some other stuff you like. One of my favorite Nightwish songs is Ghost Love Score which is on the same album as Nemo. The song Ever Dream from.... I think the album is Wishmaster not sure... is a good one too IMO.
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Latest release (2008) from an old death metal band. Different from their earlier releases.

Benediction - Killing Music
Listening to the full album now on Google Play, good stuff. I haven't heard their older albums, do they have a stand out album?
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I do like some of the other Nightwish stuff, you are getting my tastes I think because I like both those songs, Ever Dream and Ghost Love Score but Nemo just strikes all the right chords to me. I'm not a metal/rock guy for the most part though so I don't know much about it. I was looking to find new material similar in style. I also like some of Evanescence's stuff. For me the sound of the vocalist's voice is very important as well as the style/tone of the music, the lyrics not so much.
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I do like some of the other Nightwish stuff, you are getting my tastes I think because I like both those songs, Ever Dream and Ghost Love Score but Nemo just strikes all the right chords to me. I'm not a metal/rock guy for the most part though so I don't know much about it. I was looking to find new material similar in style. I also like some of Evanescence's stuff. For me the sound of the vocalist's voice is very important as well as the style/tone of the music, the lyrics not so much.
I have never heard a singer like Tarja, so the fact that the singer's voice is such a big part of what you like about the Nightwish songs could mean there is nothing out there like it that would do it for you. Have you checked out any of her solo stuff? I haven't heard much, what I did hear was more mellow than Nightwish but it might be worth checking out.

So the Within Temptation concert link didn't work? I think you might like the Black Symphony concert. Here is the most mellow song from that concert, a duet with the lead singer from The Gathering. When they start harmonizing around 1:40 I get goose bumps. Almost all the other songs the symphony is playing and it's really good stuff. Again though, these girls sound nothing like Tarja.

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Can't believe I've never noticed this thread! Anyway, just wanted to say Hi to my fellow metal fans. Started out on metal listening to old school Metallica, Megadeth, etc. listening to more Dream Theater and progressive metal these days though. I'll have to browse through this thread to see if I can find some good new metal.

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Just stumbled on this, I hadn't heard it before. It's Within Temptation with Tarja singing with them. Not bad on first listen, check it out:

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I have never heard a singer like Tarja, so the fact that the singer's voice is such a big part of what you like about the Nightwish songs could mean there is nothing out there like it that would do it for you. Have you checked out any of her solo stuff? I haven't heard much, what I did hear was more mellow than Nightwish but it might be worth checking out.

So the Within Temptation concert link didn't work? I think you might like the Black Symphony concert. Here is the most mellow song from that concert, a duet with the lead singer from The Gathering. When they start harmonizing around 1:40 I get goose bumps. Almost all the other songs the symphony is playing and it's really good stuff. Again though, these girls sound nothing like Tarja.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFSrlvxBRtg
When I try to play this link I get the same message that the content has been blocked in my country. As I noted I also like Evanescence and I am guessing there are no singers who sound like Amy Lee either?

I will definitely dig some more into this concert later. There's another one I like a lot, maybe you have recommendations based on it, Leaves Eyes - Norwegian Love Song.
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Can't believe I've never noticed this thread! Anyway, just wanted to say Hi to my fellow metal fans. Started out on metal listening to old school Metallica, Megadeth, etc. listening to more Dream Theater and progressive metal these days though. I'll have to browse through this thread to see if I can find some good new metal.
Welcome CheYC!!

Can you tolerate growls? If so the first band I would suggest is Opeth. They have both clean vocals and death vocals and are very progressive. Here is one of their songs with no growls, the section from 4:30 to 7:30 is absolutely beautiful and includes on of my favorite if not absolute favorite guitar solo's of all time.

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I know Opeth well and that's one of my favorite Opeth songs, absolutely love their music, vocals (as you mentioned) are tough for me to swallow sometimes though, I've never been a fan of growling lyrics, I've always been partial to high and screechy lol (Dream Theater, Symphony X, Rush, etc.). I've been playing guitar for about 15 years now so I tend to focus on music over vocals most of the time anyway; also a huge fan of a great drummer, even though my drumming days came to an end a long time ago.

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When I try to play this link I get the same message that the content has been blocked in my country. As I noted I also like Evanescence and I am guessing there are no singers who sound like Amy Lee either?

I will definitely dig some more into this concert later. There's another one I like a lot, maybe you have recommendations based on it, Leaves Eyes - Norwegian Love Song.
Ooh I'll have to check out that song right now, I've heard some Leaves Eyes and like them but not positive I've heard that one.

Hmm not sure, I'll have to get a quick reminder of Amy Lee's voice. From memory she isn't nearly as unique sounding as Tarja but I'll check.

Ok, I'm listening to the Leaves Eyes song - I have heard this one and yep it's a good one.

Based on that maybe you would like the album Mandylion by The Gathering. I haven't heard much, if any, of their other stuff but I own and really like Mandylion.

Check out the first song, it's outstanding IMO. If you like it keep going. I haven't listened to it in years but it's excellent.

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I know Opeth well and that's one of my favorite Opeth songs, absolutely love their music, vocals (as you mentioned) are tough for me to swallow sometimes though, I've never been a fan of growling lyrics, I've always been partial to high and screechy lol (Dream Theater, Symphony X, Rush, etc.). I've been playing guitar for about 15 years now so I tend to focus on music over vocals most of the time anyway; also a huge fan of a great drummer, even though my drumming days came to an end a long time ago.
Love Rush (up to and including Moving Pictures) and DT is one of my all time favorite bands, and I really like the album Paradise Lost by Symphony X. I assume you have checked out all the Liquid Tension Experiment stuff?

How about Devin Townsend? Lots of hit and miss with him but he has some really good solo albums and good stuff with Strapping Young Lad and a great voice (not a high voice though) IMO.

What all of you guys should do is check out Google Play if you haven't already. It's just like Spotify in the fact that you can look up most any artist/album but the radio is light years better than Spotify. Tons of obscure stuff and it doesn't repeat the same artists over and over like Spotify. I've only been using it for a couple weeks and I love it.

For example, just tried the radio based on Dream Theater. First song that pops up on the radio is Sin by Circus Maximus. I have never heard of them, they sound a hell of a lot like DT mixed with Symphony X.
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You guys that are into metal with female vocals might like this one from Kerion. They apparently usually only do clean vocals, but this one also has Rachel Aspe from the band Eths doing growls, so it's more up my alley than their usual stuff


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I haven't heard their older albums, do they have a stand out album?
No.

But if you like old Swedish-style death metal, Transcend the Rubicon. Doesn't have nearly the punch of Killing Music though.
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Love Rush (up to and including Moving Pictures) and DT is one of my all time favorite bands, and I really like the album Paradise Lost by Symphony X. I assume you have checked out all the Liquid Tension Experiment stuff?

How about Devin Townsend? Lots of hit and miss with him but he has some really good solo albums and good stuff with Strapping Young Lad and a great voice (not a high voice though) IMO.

What all of you guys should do is check out Google Play if you haven't already. It's just like Spotify in the fact that you can look up most any artist/album but the radio is light years better than Spotify. Tons of obscure stuff and it doesn't repeat the same artists over and over like Spotify. I've only been using it for a couple weeks and I love it.

For example, just tried the radio based on Dream Theater. First song that pops up on the radio is Sin by Circus Maximus. I have never heard of them, they sound a hell of a lot like DT mixed with Symphony X.
Thanks for the Google play suggestion, I'll have to check it out. Never heard Devin Townsends solo stuff, but I'm familiar with him somewhat from his work with Steve Vai on sex and religion. Also, LTE effing rocks, I love those albums. John Petruccis solo album is great too, wish he'd out another.

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