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Amour 0 0%
Argo 9 33.33%
Beasts of the Southern Wild 0 0%
Django Unchained 2 7.41%
Les Miserables 3 11.11%
Life of Pi 1 3.70%
Lincoln 4 14.81%
Silver Linings Playbook 4 14.81%
Zero Dark Thirty 4 14.81%
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I played. What do I get? wink.gif

My vote is for the one that should win though, because I'm fairly sure it won't win.
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i have 2 i like equally well.

can i vote twice?

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Netflix - I haven’t seen any of those. This happens every year. It’ll be mid-summer before I complete this list.
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Netflix - I haven’t seen any of those. This happens every year. It’ll be mid-summer before I complete this list.

well what have you been doing all this time?

there are some very good movies out there

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well what have you been doing all this time?

there are some very good movies out there

In 2013...

Seven Psychopaths
ParaNorman
Celeste and Jesse Forever
Compliance
The Cold Light of Day
Ruby Sparks
Dark Shadows
The Avengers
Brave
The Secret World of Arrietty
Get the Gringo
Trouble with the Curve
The Bourne Legacy
The Odd Life of Timothy Green
Ted
Safety Not Guaranteed
The Dark Knight Rises
Looper


In my queue...

Argo
Robot & Frank
The Big Year
Salmon Fishing in the Yemen
To Rome with Love
Frankenweenie
Your Sister's Sister
Savages
End of Watch
The Master
A Late Quartet
Flight
The Imposter
Skyfall
Wreck-It Ralph
Zero Dark Thirty
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Killing Them Softly
Lincoln
Django Unchained
Life of Pi
The Impossible
Parker
Cloud Atlas
Hope Springs
Jack Reacher
Oblivion
Shelter
Side Effects
Silver Linings Playbook
The Company You Keep
The Place Beyond the Pines
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Netflix - I haven’t seen any of those. This happens every year. It’ll be mid-summer before I complete this list.

I haven't seen any of these either and I voted - and looks to be for the winner...cool.gif

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can i vote twice?
Sure.
Vote for one you think WILL win.
However, if you think another is more worthy of BP (in your opinion), vote for that one too.

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The keys to my Veyron for the weekend.biggrin.gif

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It’ll be mid-summer before I complete this list.
Same here.

This year I have went "out to the movies" much more often than usual.

Of the nominees, I have seen Beasts, ZDT, and Django.
Oh, and the last 1/2 hour of Life of Pi (don't ask me how that happened frown.gifrolleyes.gif).

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Seven Psychopaths was damn good. Caught it this weekend. Up there with True Romance type movies.
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Seven Psychopaths was damn good. Caught it this weekend. Up there with True Romance type movies.
I have it in my stack of "BDs Unseen" in my HT...try to get to it soon.

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I voted for Argo but must admit that was partially as a protest of the shortsightedness of the Academy for passing over Affleck for a Best Director nomination. This is a year when I am going to feel more disappointment for the highly deserving losers than I will happiness for the winner. In my estimation, Zero Dark Thirty, Django Unchained, Lincoln and Les Miserables are all about as deserving of the Best Picture Oscar as Argo. I also really enjoyed Silver Linings Playbook but didn't think it was in a class with my favorites. Thus, I was stunned to see that it is in the lead in the poll. I also saw Life of Pi and was mostly underwhelmed by the overall quality of the film, although it was visually stunning. Didn't see either Amour or Beasts of the Southern Wild and based on what I've read about them probably won't.
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I voted for Argo but must admit that was partially as a protest of the shortsightedness of the Academy for passing over Affleck for a Best Director nomination. This is a year when I am going to feel more disappointment for the highly deserving losers than I will happiness for the winner. In my estimation, Zero Dark Thirty, Django Unchained, Lincoln and Les Miserables are all about as deserving of the Best Picture Oscar as Argo. I also really enjoyed Silver Linings Playbook but didn't think it was in a class with my favorites. Thus, I was stunned to see that it is in the lead in the poll. I also saw Life of Pi and was mostly underwhelmed by the overall quality of the film, although it was visually stunning. Didn't see either Amour or Beasts of the Southern Wild and based on what I've read about them probably won't.

i haven't seen argo or lincoln so i shouldn't vote for either, although, like you, i would vote for argo on general principles given the undeserved snub.

of the nominated movies i did see, i adore silver linings (nothing like a movie to make you connect with characters, even better than a book i think), but i would give best picture
to zero dark 30 which was stunning.

tomatometer ratings are pretty accurate to how i think the vote will come down:


tomatometer: argo 96%
zero dark 30 94%
armour 93%
silver linings 92%
lincoln 89%
django 89%

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i haven't seen argo or lincoln so i shouldn't vote for either, although, like you, i would vote for argo on general principles given the undeserved snub.

of the nominated movies i did see, i adore silver linings (nothing like a movie to make you connect with characters, even better than a book i think), but i would give best picture
to zero dark 30 which was stunning.

tomatometer ratings are pretty accurate to how i think the vote will come down:


tomatometer: argo 96%
zero dark 30 94%
armour 93%
silver linings 92%
lincoln 89%
django 89%

Thanks for posting the Rotten Tomatoes numbers. Those numbers are not the be all and the end all, of course, but they are a quick and dirty indication of a film's quality. If Argo wins best picture, then my quibbles about the order of the rest will become irrelevant. Also, I note that Beasts of the Southern Wild was not included on your list and has received zero votes here. I guess that others have as low an opinion as I do about Message Movies.
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I also really enjoyed Silver Linings Playbook but didn't think it was in a class with my favorites. Thus, I was stunned to see that it is in the lead in the poll.
It's simply a matter of looking at the competition and who does the voting.
It seems most likely, either SLP or Les Miz are the safest bets.

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I note that Beasts of the Southern Wild was not included on your list and has received zero votes here. I guess that others have as low an opinion as I do about Message Movies.
"Message Movie?"confused.gif
I have no idea where you got that idea, unless you consider movies about the perseverance of the human spirit in the face of great adversity as "Message Movies."

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It's simply a matter of looking at the competition and who does the voting.
It seems most likely, either SLP or Les Miz are the safest bets.
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I have no idea where you got that idea, unless you consider movies about the perseverance of the human spirit in the face of great adversity as "Message Movies."

I simply inferred from reviews I read that Beasts of the Southern Wild is pretty message heavy. Haven't seen it though, so don't mean to sound dogmatic. When the film shows up on HBO or Showtime, I'll watch it but probably not before.

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Thanx for the link, from the "review...."

it's also overly verbose and reliant on white middle-class guilt to achieve its emotional effects. The film has a sheen of earnestness that misleads one away from the bald calculation on display, as the poverty-stricken inhabitants of the Bathtub, with one exception, are fetishized as one-note emblems of good will and clean living that's uncorrupted by fancy-schmancy materialism. It's the implicit anti-materialism that frequently trips Zeitlin up.

The majority of the film's characters aren't differentiated, mostly portrayed as mystical hillbillies in possession of a kind of elemental wisdom. They brave quite a bit of catastrophe, but with the exception of the ongoing conflict between Hushpuppy (Quvenzhané Wallis) and her father, Wink (a startling Dwight Henry), there's very little sense for the social tensions that manifest during times of duress. These people drink, but they rarely curse, rarely fight, rarely do anything that might complicate a sentimentality that's born of a fantasy of escaping the traps of mainstream society. Nothing, not even an act of God, can compromise the Bathtub's earthy connection to the root of the Things That Truly Matter.

That inadvertent condescension undermines the film's most impressive sequences. The Bathtub is obviously meant as a stand-in for New Orleans in its entirety, and the narrative is symbolically grappling with the storms that have crippled that city in recent years. A severe hurricane strikes the Bathtub in the second act, which affords Zeitlin the opportunity to break from the relentless sermonizing of the dialogue to relate a story of survival with clean, muscular visuals. But in the overall context of a film that too often glosses over the tolls of disaster, these passages offensively play as a mere blip on the road to formulaic self-actualization



WRONG!

White guilt isn't the aim of this movie...far from it.
If the reviewer "felt guilty," he should go look in the mirror, instead of sniveling about how this film made him feel sad.

I guess he doesn't realize there are children in this country who happen to grow up not behind a white picket fence.

This movie is about a time in a child's life where things aren't all rosy and white.
It's told from the memories and POV of a small child....you know, a NON adult.
NON adults don't interpret life LIKE adults....because they're NOT adults.
I guess the dude doesn't realize this fact....rolleyes.gif

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PROMETHEUS!!! Oh wait it's not on the poll...umm i'll vote for Argo

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In fact-based films, how much fiction is OK?

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NEW YORK — The scene: Tehran’s Mehrabad airport, January 1980. Six U.S. diplomats, disguised as a fake sci-fi film crew, are about to fly to freedom with their CIA escorts. But suddenly there’s a moment of panic in what had been a smooth trip through the airport.

The plane has mechanical difficulties and will be delayed. Will the Americans be discovered, arrested, even killed? CIA officer Tony Mendez, also in disguise, tries to calm them. Luckily, the flight leaves about an hour later.

If you saw the film “Argo,” no, you didn’t miss this development, which is recounted in Mendez’s book about the real-life operation. That’s because director Ben Affleck and screenwriter Chris Terrio replaced it with an even more dramatic scenario, involving canceled flight reservations, suspicious Iranian officials who call the Hollywood office of the fake film crew (a call answered just in time), and finally a heart-pounding chase on the tarmac just as the plane’s wheels lift off, seconds away from catastrophe.

Crackling filmmaking — except that it never happened. Affleck and Terrio, whose film is an Oscar frontrunner, never claimed their film was a documentary, of course. But still, they’ve caught some flak for the liberties they took in the name of entertainment.

And they aren’t alone — two other high-profile best-picture nominees this year, Kathryn Bigelow’s “Zero Dark Thirty” and Steven Spielberg’s “Lincoln,” have also been criticized for different sorts of factual issues.
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Thanks for posting the Rotten Tomatoes numbers. Those numbers are not the be all and the end all, of course, but they are a quick and dirty indication of a film's quality. If Argo wins best picture, then my quibbles about the order of the rest will become irrelevant. Also, I note that Beasts of the Southern Wild was not included on your list and has received zero votes here. I guess that others have as low an opinion as I do about Message Movies.


Didn't include beast as. I believe and most pundits that it has no chance of winning. Interesting it actually has a higher rating on tomatos than le mis.

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PROMETHEUS!!! Oh wait it's not on the poll...umm i'll vote for Argo
Sorry, I don't do the nominating....although I should.biggrin.gif

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Thanx for the link, from the "review...."

it's also overly verbose and reliant on white middle-class guilt to achieve its emotional effects. The film has a sheen of earnestness that misleads one away from the bald calculation on display, as the poverty-stricken inhabitants of the Bathtub, with one exception, are fetishized as one-note emblems of good will and clean living that's uncorrupted by fancy-schmancy materialism. It's the implicit anti-materialism that frequently trips Zeitlin up.

The majority of the film's characters aren't differentiated, mostly portrayed as mystical hillbillies in possession of a kind of elemental wisdom. They brave quite a bit of catastrophe, but with the exception of the ongoing conflict between Hushpuppy (Quvenzhané Wallis) and her father, Wink (a startling Dwight Henry), there's very little sense for the social tensions that manifest during times of duress. These people drink, but they rarely curse, rarely fight, rarely do anything that might complicate a sentimentality that's born of a fantasy of escaping the traps of mainstream society. Nothing, not even an act of God, can compromise the Bathtub's earthy connection to the root of the Things That Truly Matter.

That inadvertent condescension undermines the film's most impressive sequences. The Bathtub is obviously meant as a stand-in for New Orleans in its entirety, and the narrative is symbolically grappling with the storms that have crippled that city in recent years. A severe hurricane strikes the Bathtub in the second act, which affords Zeitlin the opportunity to break from the relentless sermonizing of the dialogue to relate a story of survival with clean, muscular visuals. But in the overall context of a film that too often glosses over the tolls of disaster, these passages offensively play as a mere blip on the road to formulaic self-actualization



WRONG!

White guilt isn't the aim of this movie...far from it.
If the reviewer "felt guilty," he should go look in the mirror, instead of sniveling about how this film made him feel sad.

I guess he doesn't realize there are children in this country who happen to grow up not behind a white picket fence.

This movie is about a time in a child's life where things aren't all rosy and white.
It's told from the memories and POV of a small child....you know, a NON adult.
NON adults don't interpret life LIKE adults....because they're NOT adults.
I guess the dude doesn't realize this fact....rolleyes.gif

oink -- The lowest thing anybody can do in a thread involving films, is cherry pick a single review and act as if it is definitive. I was guilty of that. Mea culpa!smile.gif In the spirit of full disclosure, I should state that many more critics liked the film than not. Still, it seems way too messagy (Is that a word?) to appeal to me. Nevertheless, I will watch it when it shows up on HBO or Showtime. In fact, I checked it out on the Redbox site but they only have the DVD version so I have decided to pass for the time being.
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oink -- The lowest thing anybody can do in a thread involving films, is cherry pick a single review and act as if it is definitive. I was guilty of that. Mea culpa!smile.gif
LOL, I am SURE I have never done that....wink.gif

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In the spirit of full disclosure, I should state that many more critics liked the film than not.
It's funny...with all the criticism, the guy gave it 3.5/5 stars.rolleyes.gif

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Still, it seems way too messagy (Is that a word?) to appeal to me. Nevertheless, I will watch it when it shows up on HBO or Showtime.
I didn't find it too "messagy," but then again....what the he!! do I know?tongue.gif

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In fact, I checked it out on the Redbox site but they only have the DVD version so I have decided to pass for the time being.
The film was shot with grainy 16mm stock and it isn't eye-candy on the BD.
However, the detail is reasonably good (for the source).
The SQ is good enough.

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I note that the three Oscar nominated films not to receive a single vote in oink's poll, Amour, Beasts of the Southern Wild, and Life of Pi all received Best Director nominations, whereas the highly regarded Argo, Les Miserables, and Django Unchained did not. That's enough to make me mad all over again.smile.gif I have, however, moderated my stance on the Best Director nomination for Silver Linings Playbook. It really is a fine film and, in retrospect, I confess that I can't really complain about David O. Russell receiving a Best Director nod for the film.
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I note that the three Oscar nominated films not to receive a single vote in oink's poll, Amour, Beasts of the Southern Wild, and Life of Pi all received Best Director nominations, whereas the highly regarded Argo, Les Miserables, and Django Unchained did not. That's enough to make me mad all over again.smile.gif I have, however, moderated my stance on the Best Director nomination for Silver Linings Playbook. It really is a fine film and, in retrospect, I confess that I can't really complain about David O. Russell receiving a Best Director nod for the film.
I believe Best Director nominations are limited to 5?
Otherwise, it's hard to grasp how a movie can be nominated for BP and NOT get a Director nomination.

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It's an interesting question. I remember wrestling with it amidst the controversy surrounding Oliver Stone's JFK. I saw JFK in the theater with a first date and my very first words to my date as the credits started rolling were, "Oliver Stone is so full of s**t." biggrin.gif

Yes, we had a second date. She was hot.

Anyway, I guess it depends. An interesting thing about JFK is that for an entire generation or so (those just a few years younger than me), the film itself took on the mantle of fact and a depiction of history, rather than the paranoid delusion that it actually is. Stone's many attempts to wave it away with his hands and to call it artistic license were none too convincing. Guilty.

Ben Affleck with Argo? Not guilty. It's the only one of the nominated films I've seen, and not only did I enjoy it, but I don't think he took the story and mangled it into a crazy man's fantasy or delusion like Stone did. Literary license is OK with me as long as the basic story isn't perverted beyond recognition or embellished too much in order to push an agenda.

Where does the line lie? I don't know. I say with confidence that in my opinion it's somewhere between JFK and Argo. YMMV.
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I believe Best Director nominations are limited to 5?
Otherwise, it's hard to grasp how a movie can be nominated for BP and NOT get a Director nomination.

It is an odd conundrum. Of course, it's Hollywood politics, so it doesn't have to make sense.
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Anyway, I guess it depends. An interesting thing about JFK is that for an entire generation or so (those just a few years younger than me), the film itself took on the mantle of fact and a depiction of history, rather than the paranoid delusion that it actually is.
This is my chief complaint about "fact-based" films.
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I believe Best Director nominations are limited to 5?
Otherwise, it's hard to grasp how a movie can be nominated for BP and NOT get a Director nomination.

That's right. Over the past few years the Academy has once again upped the number of Best Film nominations from 5 to 10 but there have always been only 5 Best Director slots. What drives me crazy about this year's Best Director nominations is that neither Amour nor Beasts of the Southern Wild has the slightest chance of winning Best Picture and the chances for Life of Pi are only slightly better. Usually, the Academy will nominate a few art house, prestige films for Best Picture but will avoid the mistake they made this year of also nominating those films' directors.
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