Originally Posted by oink
Anyway, I think using such stuff "on a short term basis" probably has a negligible affect on long term health.
100% on the money here oink. Comparative to all the other toxins, pollutants, and deleterious substances in our environment, a physician-managed cycle is going to be negligibly harmful. If anything, if it is HGH for example, it might regenerate previous damage.
No matter what the growth agent is, what everyone needs to remember and appreciate is the substances are amplifiers. Nothing more. The caloric intake and burn has to be achieved through work. Eating is work. Training is work. Hugh, Dwayne, etc. are all putting in the work necessary work to achieve this look. Add the amplifiers and your results are what you see on screen.
All that being said...I think the numbers being published by the various outlets are completely garbage. They remind me of high school and college athletic programs where everyone on the football or basketball field suddenly grows an inch or two and gains 10-20 pounds in the fan program depending on position. For whatever reason they thought it psychologically messed with the opponents...even though the opponents all do the same thing and know the game:)
Physically looking at Hugh, based on his frame, I think the media outlets who quote those numbers are totally full of it. They might not even know they are full of it since they are likely NOT gym rats, athletes, etc. Having played football from the youth level to getting paid for it, my standard deduction for all written height/weight measures has been refined to somewhere between 20-35% based on position (i.e. body type). For Hugh, on his frame height and observing his build knowing and training with comparably sized individuals, I would absolutely bet money he gained somewhere in the neighborhood of 24-28lbs. Add in the standard media/program enhancement, and you are looking at the "reported" 44lbs.
So don't get too hung up on the numbers they list for weight gained. Considering the more likely 24-28lbs, and this number is WAY more reasonable in a real-world setting of eating, training, and "supplementing" without killing the person. 10lbs of lean muscle, however you acquire it on his frame, is going to make a huge visual impact (i.e. he is going to look much bigger). That is why it is so hard for guys well over 6' tall to "look" bigger. Their musculature is so dispersed over the frame, their 10lb gain won't hardly make a visual dent. This is also why Dwayne Johnson is such a specimen. He is tall and absolutely JACKED! But he is north of 250lbs. Stallone had very similar cut and definition back in the Rambo II/III and Rocky III/IV days...but was closer to 180lbs.
My final thought...what is more dangerous to the kids watching the movies and creating heroes...our current gen of physically enhanced actors (some of which comes form makeup and cgi which we haven't even touched on)...or previous generations of heroes who were smoking pack after pack, drinking and driving, slapping women, kicking puppies, etc.? If it's my choice...I'd rather my kids watch the juiced up heroes fighting for what's right versus the destructive anti-heroes. Then when they are older they can get cranky and sarcastic like me and learn to LOVE the old guard heroes:)