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I thought the movie was so-so. The handgun volley toward the end was just plain stupid! (Yes, I'm doing people a favor for not putting spoiler tags on that)

I was also thinking that ironically, maybe it is "we" that have become too old to watch the kinds of movies that Sly and Schwarzenegger have been making? The plot vehicles and twists are too amateurish so it can never rise to being a serious action movie effort. If we viewed them through the eyes and experiences of, say, a 15 yr old, maybe we would think these are really cool movies (a lot more stuff would pass the sniff test, and the movie would come out with higher response)...but then the caveat is, no 15 yr old in modern day is rushing out to see geriatric Stallone or Schwarzenegger. So the optimal audience base for these movies is a bit of a paradox.

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I was also thinking that ironically, maybe it is "we" that have become too old to watch the kinds of movies that Sly and Schwarzenegger have been making? The plot vehicles and twists are too amateurish so it can never rise to being a serious action movie effort. If we viewed them through the eyes and experiences of, say, a 15 yr old, maybe we would think these are really cool movies (a lot more stuff would pass the sniff test, and the movie would come out with higher response)...but then the caveat is, no 15 yr old in modern day is rushing out to see geriatric Stallone or Schwarzenegger. So the optimal audience base for these movies is a bit of a paradox.
What exactly do you mean by "the kinds of movies that Sly and Schwarzenegger have been making?" It sounds like you're assuming that only 15 year olds watched and enjoyed their movies in the 80s.
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What exactly do you mean by "the kinds of movies that Sly and Schwarzenegger have been making?" It sounds like you're assuming that only 15 year olds watched and enjoyed their movies in the 80s.

I'm talking about the particular group of movies that have been mentioned in this topic (Bullet in the Head, Last Stand, Invincibles).

My earlier comment was saying that 15 yr olds certainly will dig the movies that Sly and Schwarzenegger have been making. That is not the same as saying that only 15 yr olds will go to and enjoy those same movies. What I am implying is that as you get older, you notice more plot holes, things that aren't that "realistic" as far as how humans interact, feats that are silly as far as plausibility, and that tends to sour the impression of the movie, overall.

If you want to bring the popularity of the Rocky/Rambo thing into it, I would qualify that those are different phenomenons, altogether.

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What I am implying is that as you get older, you notice more plot holes, things that aren't that "realistic" as far as how humans interact, feats that are silly as far as plausibility, and that tends to sour the impression of the movie, overall.
Ok, but you could say the same thing about virtually every action picture made, including a "serious" film such as Gravity.
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I haven't seen Gravity, but I have a feeling it is sorted out at a higher level than BttH/LS/Invincibles...hence, it will be stimulating/appealing to more discerning audiences (a higher age group threshold). Maybe the uber nerds may have issues to peck away on Gravity, but who cares about them, right? tongue.gif

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I haven't seen Gravity, but I have a feeling it is sorted out at a higher level than BttH/LS/Invincibles..
Sure, but it has its own set of "in real life, things wouldn't be like that" problems, problems that, as you say, would pass over the head of a 15 year old but not a knowledgeable adult. That doesn't mean it's not enjoyable. You just gotta go with the flow sometimes.
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...and going with the flow or degree of enjoyment is a continuum, rather than absolute. Sometimes the flow is great, and sometimes the flow is just "ok".

Now what if I compared Lone Survivor and the Invincibles? Both involve shoot-outs and military-trained fighters, right?...but one comes off as a higher caliber movie, while the other will probably get an easy thumbs-up among 15 yr olds. Why is that? wink.gif

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...and going with the flow or degree of enjoyment is a continuum, rather than absolute. Sometimes the flow is great, and sometimes the flow is just "ok".

Now what if I compared Lone Survivor and the Invincibles? Both involve shoot-outs and military-trained fighters, right?...but one comes off as a higher caliber movie, while the other will probably get an easy thumbs-up among 15 yr olds. Why is that? wink.gif

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...and just for the record, I did enjoy both Invincibles movies. Would I ever put it on the same level as Lone Survivor? That one seems like a leap, imo.

Now if Invincibles 3 came in and totally blew my mind on all levels, even on a stringent cerebral level...I would have to say they achieved an amazing feat and made a AAA movie. Suffice to say, I'm not "expecting" that to happen. wink.gif

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I'd say slightly better than LS and a lot better than BTTH only due to it being so different for Sly. LS had much higher production values and this doesn't but if you dig Sly and Ahhhnold you'll probably like this.

I didn't mind BTTH. Sly doesn't bug me like he does our resident pork chop.

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Rented this out for tonight, hopefully it will be good. Going by the trailers, it seems quite good.

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I actually enjoyed this. Will definitely buy this.
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I actually enjoyed this. Will definitely buy this.

I enjoyed it too. Not enough to buy it. But a quality rental. Again Lionsgate crippled the audio on the rental disc.

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I enjoyed it too. Not enough to buy it. But a quality rental. Again Lionsgate crippled the audio on the rental disc.

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What do you mean crippled the audio wabo ?

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What do you mean crippled the audio wabo ?

Lionsgate cripples their rental discs by limiting the audio to lossy DD 5.1. They want you to buy the disc to get the full monty.

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That's unfortunate I was lucky my rental was dts hd ma 7.1

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You Aussies have it all. Vegemite, Fosters and lossless Lionsgate rentals.

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You Aussies have it all. Vegemite, Fosters and lossless Lionsgate rentals.

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