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Was there something wrong with De Palma's version?

**** Hollywood.
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Was there something wrong with De Palma's version?

**** Hollywood.

Really? I know a lot of remakes are terrible but there are also some terrific remakes, most notably Let Me In which even has the same lead actress.

I also don't really classify another film based on the same book a remake per se, and even if one does there are numerous excellent remakes. Lord of the Rings, Scarface (I actually prefer the original and not the newer one but I seem to be in the minority), Casino Royale, Dredd, The Incredible Hulk, King Kong, Narnia, X-men First class (at least until they decided to introduce time travel in the upcoming sequel which I still hate the idea of), Let Me In and many more (these are all just of the top of my head and i'm sure there are even better examples).

I think the new Carrie looks terrific in fact it is probably my most anticipated film left to release this year, one shoot in particular in the trailer is fantastic in my eyes (the scene where we see the mother knocked back and you can see something is griping her around her neck).
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Frankly, I am sick to death of seeing every classic film from my youth being remade for a new audience just because their creators are too simpleminded to come up with original material of their own and have to ride on the coattails of an established classic in order to guarantee box office.

There are hundreds of thousands, MILLIONS of writers out there, yet Hollywood would rather recycle the past rather than search out new ideas from talented writers. I am sick to death of it.

No wonder today is considered the new golden age of television. It's the only place where original programming is available. It sure as hell isn't happening in the theaters.
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Ignore the movie when it is released.

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Ignore the movie when it is released.

Good advice, but Kilgore's got a valid complaint. There are a limited number of films the big studios can green light in a given year, and pitching your movie to the studios means you are competing for limited resources with a bunch of others pitching theirs. In that sense, for every Carrie remake or remake of another classic, that is one less original film they could have made with those same limited resources.

Dollars are squeezing out good ideas in favor of tired but bankable ones.
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I also don't really classify another film based on the same book a remake per se...
I don't either, likening it more to a new conductor wanting to perform his version of a piece of music. When Stevie Wonder released 'We Can Work It Out', were people complaining "was there something wrong with the Beatles' version?" Or when Elvis released 'Blue Suede Shoes' did listeners ask "was there something wrong with the Carl Perkins version?"

It's been 37 years since Stephen King's 1974 novel was brought to the screen. Certainly not 'too soon' for a fresh take on the material. And considering that I liked director Kimberly Peirce's previous two movies ('Boys Don't Cry', 'Stop-Loss'), I'm really looking forward what she brings to the story. Plus, she has a really good cast (Chloë Grace Moretz, Julianne Moore) to work with.
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It's been 37 years since Stephen King's 1974 novel was brought to the screen. Certainly not 'too soon' for a fresh take on the material.

And only 11 years since the 2002 remake.
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And only 11 years since the 2002 remake.
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That was a TV movie of the week. I meant big screen (should have clarified).

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I don't either, likening it more to a new conductor wanting to perform his version of a piece of music. When Stevie Wonder released 'We Can Work It Out', were people complaining "was there something wrong with the Beatles' version?" Or when Elvis released 'Blue Suede Shoes' did listeners ask "was there something wrong with the Carl Perkins version?"

It's been 37 years since Stephen King's 1974 novel was brought to the screen. Certainly not 'too soon' for a fresh take on the material. And considering that I liked director Kimberly Peirce's previous two movies ('Boys Don't Cry', 'Stop-Loss'), I'm really looking forward what she brings to the story. Plus, she has a really good cast (Chloë Grace Moretz, Julianne Moore) to work with.

First let me quote Public Enemy (not that I share the view, but I can see their point):

"Elvis was a hero to most but he never meant sh** to me you see
Straight up racist that sucker was, simple and plain
Mother **** him and John Wayne"

In any case, Stephen King has written over 120 books and short stories and whatnot....why not make a movie about one of his other books that hasn't already been made into a movie.

I could understand it if "Carrie" was a bad movie, but it wasn't. Sissy Spacek and Piper Laurie were spectacular in it.
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In any case, Stephen King has written over 120 books and short stories and whatnot....why not make a movie about one of his other books that hasn't already been made into a movie.
If 'Boys Don't Cry' is any indication, it is no surprise that director Kimberly Peirce would be more attracted to this particular Stephen King novel than any of his other books.

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That was a TV movie of the week. I meant big screen (should have clarified).

Eh! Cheating. A remake is a remake.

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Eh! Cheating. A remake is a remake.
As I said, I meant the big screen. I could have edited my original post to insert the word "big" but clarified in a follow-up post. Likewise, note that the OP was discussing this theatrical release in the context of the previous one (De Palma).

Besides, by your logic, Peter Jackson is merely remaking this Rankin/Bass TV movie of the week: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077687/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Even though Peirce isn't the first one to adapt this Stephen King novel to the big screen, it doesn't mean she is remaking the earlier film. John Carpenter's adaptation of the John Campbell short story isn't a remake of the 'The Thing From Another World'. Nor was Spielberg's adaptation of 'War of the Worlds' a remake of any previous version.

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The girl playing Carrie is too cute to be a so call out cast, I don't get this and one of my biggest grips with this remake. rolleyes.gif

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Why bother coming up with something original? It would be one thing if there weren't SO many remakes these days, often of things already well covered not that long ago at all. But it's just getting silly. Maybe they can do Spiderman vs. Carrie or something like that.

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Why bother coming up with something original? It would be one thing if there weren't SO many remakes these days, often of things already well covered not that long ago at all. But it's just getting silly. Maybe they can do Spiderman vs. Carrie or something like that.

Why not wait for the movie version of Stephen King's latest novel, Doctor Sleep? I haven't even read it but you know it's going to be turned into a movie. The main character is a middle-aged Danny Torrance from The Shining.
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No wonder today is considered the new golden age of television. It's the only place where original programming is available. It sure as hell isn't happening in the theaters.

First television is consider to be more now as the programming is getting better (the budgets are also getting bigger are they not). Twenty years ago we didn't have shows (or at least not as many) like Dexter, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones and similar. If you are having issues finding original cinema though I'm not sure what to say. There is a whole lot more original content out there then there are remakes. Also if original content is all you care about what are your opinions on doing a film based on a book to begin with, as it isn't wholly original either (I don't mean this in a mocking way, I actually am interested in how you view moving a story to a new medium changes it for you).

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Good advice, but Kilgore's got a valid complaint. There are a limited number of films the big studios can green light in a given year, and pitching your movie to the studios means you are competing for limited resources with a bunch of others pitching theirs. In that sense, for every Carrie remake or remake of another classic, that is one less original film they could have made with those same limited resources.

Dollars are squeezing out good ideas in favor of tired but bankable ones.

Isn't Carrie an indie film? It studio is Fisher films which I have never heard of before? Maybe I am mistaken though as how a film is financed isn't of much interest to me.

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I don't either, likening it more to a new conductor wanting to perform his version of a piece of music. When Stevie Wonder released 'We Can Work It Out', were people complaining "was there something wrong with the Beatles' version?" Or when Elvis released 'Blue Suede Shoes' did listeners ask "was there something wrong with the Carl Perkins version?"

It's been 37 years since Stephen King's 1974 novel was brought to the screen. Certainly not 'too soon' for a fresh take on the material. And considering that I liked director Kimberly Peirce's previous two movies ('Boys Don't Cry', 'Stop-Loss'), I'm really looking forward what she brings to the story. Plus, she has a really good cast (Chloë Grace Moretz, Julianne Moore) to work with.

Indeed, as long as a new identity is carved out and it isn't just a shoot for shoot remake (cough Psycho cough). To quote one of my favorite novelists John Lindqvist "I might just be the luckiest writer alive. To have not only one, but two excellent versions of my debut novel done for the screen feels unreal, 'Let the Right One In' is a great Swedish movie. 'Let Me In' is a great American movie", and in Stephen Kings on words on the remake Let Me In "The best American Horror film in the last 20 years". So I can't see how Stephen King could take an issue with re-adaptions, especially as Let Me In was not only based on the novel but the screenplay of the prior film Let The Right One In.

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The girl playing Carrie is too cute to be a so call out cast, I don't get this and one of my biggest grips with this remake. rolleyes.gif

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As long as the performance is strong this is a moot point, many people get ostracized and being 'cute' in high school may reduce the chances of such things, but it doesn't remove it entirely.
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Like anything else, remakes can be done well or done poorly. I don't have a blanket opposition to all remakes. However, the trailers for this one make it look pretty pointless. It seems to be a straight-up copy of scenes that people remember from the original movie, watered down to PG-13 levels to appeal to today's teen audience.

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The trailer I saw on TV showed Carrie covered in black blood. Is that some new PG-13 baloney?


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The trailer I saw on TV showed Carrie covered in black blood. Is that some new PG-13 baloney?

Probably. I wouldn't be surprised if changed it to oil or something in the remake because of this PG-13 BS.
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The trailer I saw on TV showed Carrie covered in black blood. Is that some new PG-13 baloney?

Yeah I did the Picard face palm when I saw that commercial.

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The trailer I saw on TV showed Carrie covered in black blood. Is that some new PG-13 baloney?

In the trailer when it is falling on her it is a very dark red bordering on black, when she is seen covered in blood at the end though it is red. Maybe they just changed the color grading so they could air it on tv at any time (this has been done before with adds for people covered in blood). Plus when there is a lot of blood pooled together it does appear very dark and not very red. So at least the r rated trailer looks as it should.



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Probably. I wouldn't be surprised if changed it to oil or something in the remake because of this PG-13 BS.

The film is R rated and everything suggests it is still blood. [edit: added pic above, I think we can agree in the film it is blood].
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I will give this one a look. I really like the actress that is playing Carrie, so it might be good. It looks to have some of the same "scenes" if you will of the BD movie. Might not be too bad.

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The film is R rated and everything suggests it is still blood. [edit: added pic above, I think we can agree in the film it is blood].

That's awesome! smile.gif "Rated R for bloody violence, disturbing images, language and some sexual content. "
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Sad.
That pretty much sums up big studio Hollywood as a whole.

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I also don't really classify another film based on the same book a remake per se...
I don't either, likening it more to a new conductor wanting to perform his version of a piece of music. When Stevie Wonder released 'We Can Work It Out', were people complaining "was there something wrong with the Beatles' version?" Or when Elvis released 'Blue Suede Shoes' did listeners ask "was there something wrong with the Carl Perkins version?"

It's been 37 years since Stephen King's 1974 novel was brought to the screen. Certainly not 'too soon' for a fresh take on the material. And considering that I liked director Kimberly Peirce's previous two movies ('Boys Don't Cry', 'Stop-Loss'), I'm really looking forward what she brings to the story. Plus, she has a really good cast (Chloë Grace Moretz, Julianne Moore) to work with.

Another way to look at it: How many "no name" musicians are lucky enough to get their cover of a very popular song published and put in front of the public by a major record studio? Your Stevie Wonder analogy is exactly the same and the Hollywood remake philosophy: Use something tried and tested instead of gambling on something new.

The thing that is really sad these days is that even when a Hollywood movie is not a remake, it's usually not anything new. Same ole cookie cutter plot devices, effects, etc.

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The film is R rated and everything suggests it is still blood. [edit: added pic above, I think we can agree in the film it is blood].


Didn't know this was rated R. Just assumed it was PG-13 but can you blame me?

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The trailer I saw on TV showed Carrie covered in black blood. Is that some new PG-13 baloney?

They had to fool around with the color to get the final shootout in Taxi Driver past the censors, and that was back in the just-about-anything-goes seventies.

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The thing that is really sad these days is that even when a Hollywood movie is not a remake, it's usually not anything new. Same ole cookie cutter plot devices, effects, etc.

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I don't necessarily take issue with this. Films like Avatar, Ratatouille (or more or less any pixar film) and Enchanted along with many others all tell stories that are very familiar but are still fantastic films. I do find it disturbing when film makers do such a film, take no risks and still manage to make a bad film despite all the information they have available to make it work. In any case my above example of Let Me In is an American film (as not technically a Hollywood film) that actually tells a much more complicated and mature story then then the the 'original' Swedish film Let The Right One In (I hold both films with the same regard as both where trying to achieve different things).

One thing I find interesting is that when you compare the two films that despite several scenes being filmed in an extremely similar manner, the impact of those scenes is extremely different due to the differences we learn about the characters between the two versions along with how it is edited, color graded and the style of music used. Sadly when films get 'remade' in America the results are often far from stellar. The last decade was notorious for terrible American horror remakes (Black Christmas anyone?). Hopefully Carrie joins Let Me In as another example of how a 'remake' should be done, and not one of the numerous other examples

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Didn't know this was rated R. Just assumed it was PG-13 but can you blame me?

Not at all. I just did felt that you and others would like to know you worries where thankfully not founded regarding this. As if they where I would be right with you, I cannot see how this film could be done without butchering the material with a pg13 rating.
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I think that a common problem is that they try SO hard to push every 'previously documented as having worked' button, that too often the films have no ambience, no vibe, no soul, and somehow seem to be almost devoid of real character development. A movie that is primarily designed to have the widest possible audience, almost by definition, will not be very interesting because it is constrained on every front. It can't take risks for fear of alienating some demographic. Throw in a very high cost, which sort of guarantees that it will be made according to the wide possible audience criteria and provides even less incentive for risk taking, and you get where we are in mainstream films. If you want to make it even worse, do every other scene in front blue screens so that the actors are as disconnected from reality as possible.

Films like Avatar and Prometheus were pretty sad compared to what they could have been. Avatar did a little better. But you can almost feel a design by committee, test screening driven mechanism behind the screen when watching them. I'd throw the LORTs flicks in that bucket as well, though I give props to the effort required to make them.
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