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post #61 of 82 Old 02-18-2014, 06:34 PM
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She was a bright spot.
The performances of the heavy hitters were all very good.

Unfortunately, they were let down by the stupid dialog.

Duh - You can't park book dialog in a screenplay. OK, so it's possible, but not CM dialog.
From the director who has scripts redone by 4 writers, we get ....... crickets?

Ridley! You're pooping on us. Between this and Proturdeous, Enough already!!

I'm convinced he's been hanging out with Triumph The Insult Dog, and it's not funny.

I'm also convinced a 70 year old is just punching buttons and getting paid / has no idea why / doesn't give
a flyin' Shite cause ..... I made Blade Runner! Woopie! I Get Paid! Fk the Bstrds Who Said I Didn't have it
way back when. Fk Em All, Check out my Partner who I put in all my movies! Yippie! I Drive a Rolls for Free!

That's nice Ridley - we really don't understand, but have a nice retirement dude.
Please retire and spare us, OK?
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Duh - You can't park book dialog in a screenplay. OK, so it's possible, but not CM dialog.
Have your read the novel No Country For Old Men?
The Coen Bros. movie is almost verbatim.

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From the director who has scripts redone by 4 writers, we get ....... crickets?

Ridley! You're pooping on us. Between this and Proturdeous, Enough already!!

I'm convinced he's been hanging out with Triumph The Insult Dog, and it's not funny.

I'm also convinced a 70 year old is just punching buttons and getting paid / has no idea why / doesn't give
a flyin' Shite cause ..... I made Blade Runner! Woopie! I Get Paid! Fk the Bstrds Who Said I Didn't have it
way back when. Fk Em All, Check out my Partner who I put in all my movies! Yippie! I Drive a Rolls for Free!

That's nice Ridley - we really don't understand, but have a nice retirement dude.
Please retire and spare us, OK?
Ah, I would LIKE to disagree, but I can't find a reason.wink.gif

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McCarthy wrote the screenplay this time around. Like I said if you cut any of the dialog to make a 2 hour movie it would be damaging. So I will rent the theatrical version at RB in a couple weeks just to see how damaged it is.
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McCarthy wrote the screenplay this time around. Like I said if you cut any of the dialog to make a 2 hour movie it would be damaging. So I will rent the theatrical version at RB in a couple weeks just to see how damaged it is.
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Well at $1.20 for the DVD or even $1.60 for BD at RB it's not going to break the bank. biggrin.gif
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Well at $1.20 for the DVD or even $1.60 for BD at RB it's not going to break the bank. biggrin.gif
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The Counselor is a strange movie....I can't recall one in the recent past that came SO close and faltered so badly at the end.
1) The characters in TC are excellent....complicated and fascinating.
Unfortunately, we often see them "speechifying."
2) The story is a fine one Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
a Byzantine drug con of excellent depth and suspense
3) Fantastic cast....with everyone bringing their "A" game to the table.

I gave it a LOT of latitude and rode their pony a loooooong way...but, by the final Act, I felt let down and frustrated.
This could have been a contender for BP.frown.gif

Saw this yesterday and was going to write some comments but the above sums it up to a tee. This could have been a great movie.

I'd like to see a good fanedit of this. Move a few things around, lop off 75 percent of the run on speeches, 90 percent of Fassbender crying, and you might have something.

There must have been some pressure from somewhere to leave it as is. I refuse to believe the staff looked at the finished product and were happy with it.
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There must have been some pressure from somewhere to leave it as is. I refuse to believe the staff looked at the finished product and were happy with it.
I think it was probably one of those things where no one dared go up against The Artiste (Cormac McCarthy), in spite of the obvious flaws in the script.
Writing a movie script is not the SAME thing as writing a novel.

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Saw this yesterday and was going to write some comments but the above sums it up to a tee. This could have been a great movie.

I'd like to see a good fanedit of this. Move a few things around, lop off 75 percent of the run on speeches, 90 percent of Fassbender crying, and you might have something.

There must have been some pressure from somewhere to leave it as is. I refuse to believe the staff looked at the finished product and were happy with it.
What version did you watch? I haven't seen the theatrical release but saw nothing wrong with the extended cut.
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What version did you watch? I haven't seen the theatrical release but saw nothing wrong with the extended cut.

It was the theatrical version. If anything, I would like it shortened, not extended.

It seemed like each character got their chance to go on and on with the trite, highbrow speeches. This doesn't have to be a problem necessarily, see HBO's True Detective to see it done right. Every word is there for a reason, and cuts clean to the bone.

Throw some of the monologues in a cold brevity shower and we might get somewhere. Most of them started off pretty well but they just. never. ended.

The premise and the depiction of finding yourself on the very bad side of truly dangerous people and places was chilling. The acting, even Cameron Diaz, was first rate. I think everyone who wants to see it, should. There's a lot to like. The show off-y language pulled me out every time though. All IMO of course.

I'll give the DC a shot.
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It seemed like each character got their chance to go on and on with the trite, highbrow speeches. This doesn't have to be a problem necessarily, see HBO's True Detective to see it done right. Every word is there for a reason, and cuts clean to the bone.
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Throw some of the monologues in a cold brevity shower and we might get somewhere. Most of them started off pretty well but they just. never. ended.

The premise and the depiction of finding yourself on the very bad side of truly dangerous people and places was chilling. The acting, even Cameron Diaz, was first rate. I think everyone who wants to see it, should. There's a lot to like. The show off-y language pulled me out every time though. All IMO of course.
You absolutely nailed it.wink.gif

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Having acquired the BR, I am in the process of watching the extended version, followed by commentary from Ridley Scott. And the extended version is not likely to be a director's cut, but this maybe a first from Ridley Scott: just look and see what he had to say before the extended version of Gladiator ran on BR. I liked the theatrical version of The Counselor at the theater a lot more than most and think, so far, that the extended version is even better.
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just look and see what he had to say before the extended version of Gladiator ran on BR.

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The theatrical version is the director's cut.
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It does not matter which cut it is, I found the ending (if one can call that) has unfinished business.

Who cares? What a waste of talents with such a stellar cast.
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The premise and the depiction of finding yourself on the very bad side of truly dangerous people and places was chilling. The acting, even Cameron Diaz, was first rate. I think everyone who wants to see it, should. There's a lot to like. The show off-y language pulled me out every time though. All IMO of course.

I'll give the DC a shot.

It's as if the project was stunted by the horrible PC studios place on scripts these days.
It might work if they just let it go, but edit to fit 2013 plus and it stinks.

I wouldn't free the CM script from it's obvious limitations, but the talent involved could
make a good film. It didn't happen and it's a shame for the twilight of Ridley's run.
Between this and Protardious, It's depressing to watch the burn of the era.
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I just watch it.

It is soooo slow in developing!

It is funny, weird and interesting. I say for me a little above OK.
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not a great film, but a damn fine one

I trudge through endless, mindless movies with disjointed plots, near impossible events occurring routinely and without plot need or depth. Movies of vampires zombies extraordinary humans that plagued my hbo and movie screen channels and I whine about the insipid nature of it all

And then a film like this appears where I have to think, care understand emotions and actually take away a few things that might make my life a little better,


So yes criticize it if you want, but at least I feel Ridley is treating me like an adult

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So yes criticize it if you want, but at least I feel Ridley is treating me like an adult
I run hot and cold with Ridley Scott. I feel like he makes a pretty decent film about every 3rd or 4th film, but often he just leaves me cold. His films are almost always great technically, but the stories, scripts, and characters kinda make me go "eh" too much of the time.

He better hurry up and make that Alien sequel before its too late. (And I don't mean Prometheus.)
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As I thought would be the case after reading the negative impressions of the film posted here, I neither saw The Counselor in the theater nor rented it from Redbox. I have however set it up to record on HBO tonight. Assuming I am able to get all the way through it, I will report my impressions later.
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