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Failed Franchises: 10 Movie Series That Weren't Anybody care to add to the list?

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The article is premature about putting Green Lantern on that list. The movie was successful enough worldwide that Warner is still pondering a (lower-budget) sequel. And the character will probably also wind up in the Justice League movie currently in development.

Some other franchise non-starters not mentioned:

Alex Cross
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City of Ember
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One for the Money
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Prince of Persia (technically, this is referenced in the Lone Ranger entry)
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I would have put Percy Jackson on the list, but a second one of those somehow got made.

Honestly, if only based on the first two movies, I don't think Harry Potter merited a franchise. Fortunately, that series picked up in a big way with the third entry.

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Don't forget Ben Affleck's Daredevil. Which bummed me out because DD was my favorite comic superhero as a kid.

But they're going to let him try again as Batman. If at first you don't succeed....
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This may be a bit OT, but the success of a franchise seems to be tied, more and more, to it's over seas earnings. It's great when a domestic underperformer, like Prometheus or Pacific Rim, do well enough over seas to warrant a sequel. (please don't hurt me smile.gif )But it kind of sucks when a very good domestic performing release, like Monsters Vs. Aliens, is not picked up for a sequel due to it poor world wide take. (200 mil US, 183 for the rest)

What also kind of sucks, and I don't want to sound like an ugly American, is the sense that movies are being dumbed down to appeal to a less sophisticated foreign audience, in relation to movies.

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This may be a bit OT, but the success of a franchise seems to be tied, more and more, to it's over seas earnings. It's great when a domestic underperformer, like Prometheus or Pacific Rim, do well enough over seas to warrant a sequel. (please don't hurt me smile.gif )But it kind of sucks when a very good domestic performing release, like Monsters Vs. Aliens, is not picked up for a sequel due to it poor world wide take. (200 mil US, 183 for the rest)

What also kind of sucks, and I don't want to sound like an ugly American, is the sense that movies are being dumbed down to appeal to a less sophisticated foreign audience, in relation to movies.

And yet compelling intelligent films are coming out of those places. Weird. I wonder who the dummies really are?


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Ok, I'm coming out of the closet on this, and it's hard, but...

I liked John Carter. Give me more.

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Ok, I'm coming out of the closet on this, and it's hard, but...

I liked John Carter. Give me more.

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Ok then I want that Buckaroo Banzai sequel and Leonard parts 1-5.


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And yet compelling intelligent films are coming out of those places. Weird. I wonder who the dummies really are?

True, but apples and oranges. Relatively free creative reign for the low budget foreign movie. I am talking about studio executive(s) that influence the actual creative talent for the movie since they hold the eight or nine figure purse string. Or worse yet, push a project doomed from the beginning to fail due to budget compared to it's target audience.

I would rather see more films with a decent budget, niche driven, and the director/writer has more control to make the movie they creatively own. Rather than pick a board game/novel/toy from the 60's and assign a director to it that may not even get the property.

I mean, holy crap, M. Night made a movie based on one of the most popular kids tv shows in the last decade and couldn't even pronounce the lead characters name right. Ung? It's ANG!

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Ok then I want that Buckaroo Banzai sequel

Well, of course. That was promised.

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I liked John Carter. Give me more.

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You, me, and Sanjay. Maybe if the three of us signed a petition...?
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Add me to the list. And there is actually a petition of sorts. It is (was?) on facebook a while ago. John Carter was surprisingly good, I love it.
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What also kind of sucks, and I don't want to sound like an ugly American, is the sense that movies are being dumbed down to appeal to a less sophisticated foreign audience, in relation to movies.

"Less sophisticated foreign audience"??? Tell me you're joking please... They are dumbed down to appeal to the WIDEST possible audience. That includes the smarter ones and the morons - from all countries (that means the U.S too)

There are also quite a few countries (France to name one) that want to replicate the "hollywood blockbuster" formula, and these are usually turds of epic proportions.

American cinema is still one of the most diverse and that is a great quality. As we all know, there are only good movies and bad movies. ...did I just go off topic here? ;-) sorry.
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Add me to the list. And there is actually a petition of sorts. It is (was?) on facebook a while ago. John Carter was surprisingly good, I love it.

Got it on my list of buys as soon as the price comes down a couple more bucks. I'm cheap like that.

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The article is premature about putting Green Lantern on that list. The movie was successful enough worldwide that Warner is still pondering a (lower-budget) sequel. And the character will probably also wind up in the Justice League movie currently in development.

Some other franchise non-starters not mentioned:

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Eragon
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The Mortal Instruments
One for the Money
Parker
Prince of Persia (technically, this is referenced in the Lone Ranger entry)
Sahara

I would have put Percy Jackson on the list, but a second one of those somehow got made.

Honestly, if only based on the first two movies, I don't think Harry Potter merited a franchise. Fortunately, that series picked up in a big way with the third entry.
Constantine film is not giving up on a sequel to City of Bones (Mortal instruments).

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Constantine film is not giving up on a sequel to City of Bones (Mortal instruments).

Really? The movie made about a dollar-fifty at the box office.

Another franchise non-starter this year was The Host.

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Buckaroo Banzai and the Legion of Doom

I have so been waiting on that one. Like Bill said - they promised! frown.gif

Hell, we're owed more than one. I was thinking of:

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Should we add Ender's Game to the list?

After seeing it last week I was pleasantly suprised but its sequel chances don't look too good right now.
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Hell, we're owed more than one. I was thinking of:

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Really? The movie made about a dollar-fifty at the box office.

Another franchise non-starter this year was The Host.
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Ok, I'm coming out of the closet on this, and it's hard, but...

I liked John Carter. Give me more.

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Count me in for John Carter. I thought it was a great film and would love to see a sequel.

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Count me in for John Carter. I thought it was a great film and would love to see a sequel.

Yeah, I enjoyed it too. Although it probably drove a stake through the "let's make Taylor Kitsch a superhero action star" movement.
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Hey! I loved John Carter, a film I have watched many times. Caused me to read the book series. The second and third books are every bit as good, if not better. Too bad the franchise didn't continue.

For all the finger pointing upon its box office failure, marketing, timing, material, it's a love story, wrapped in adventure. And a darn good one,
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Hey! I loved John Carter, a film I have watched many times. Caused me to read the book series. The second and third books are every bit as good, if not better. Too bad the franchise didn't continue.

For all the finger pointing upon its box office failure, marketing, timing, material, it's a love story, wrapped in adventure. And a darn good one,

+ 1000. John Carter is a great story, and a great film. At least it ends with a satisfying conclusion as a standalone film.
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I think you need either characters or an imagined world that people will want to continue seeing movies set in. It doesnt hurt if it spins off well into a kids cartoon series.

Olympus has Fallen was cool Die Hard genre film. I liked watching it, but I don't really care to see another one. Its just going to be a remake of the first film.

The Back to the Future movies work so well because they tell one story that takes place over the course of a few days. Imagine in 1993 after they had success with Jurassic Park that Universal decided they needed Marty to fly back 65,000,000 years into the past to bring back a dinosaur egg. In the current climate I can definitely see some executive thinking that.


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Hey! I loved John Carter, a film I have watched many times. Caused me to read the book series. The second and third books are every bit as good, if not better. Too bad the franchise didn't continue.

For all the finger pointing upon its box office failure, marketing, timing, material, it's a love story, wrapped in adventure. And a darn good one,

I wished they called it by the old names.


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