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He hit a tree with his Porsche, which then burned:

Best known for his role in the Fast and Furious series. He was 40 years old.

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post #2 of 99 Old 11-30-2013, 08:32 PM
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From what I read, he was actually the passenger. But it's tragic either way. He was reportedly participating in a charity toy drive for disadvantaged children that he was heavily involved in. That pic is horrific.
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Just stunned by this news. There was just a death hoax in the last day or two that he had died and now it looks like it really did happen.
Its going to be tough on his family and friends. Some reports had him as the passenger, and that he was giving rides in his Porsche GT to raise money for the Philippine disaster victims.

Man on man life can be taken so quickly. Just to see he had tweeted yesterday and now he is gone......frown.gif
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It looked like this one before the crash. You really can't screw around with that car unless you really know how to drive. I read the guy driving it was a stunt driver.
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What a shame. I really enjoyed quite a few of his movies. Kinda keeps the perspective on how mortal we all are. Enjoy life while you can. RIP Paul Walker.
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What a shame. I really enjoyed quite a few of his movies. Kinda keeps the perspective on how mortal we all are. Enjoy life while you can. RIP Paul Walker.

Can't say it better. Running Scared is one of my favorite movies of his and always gets suggested in conversation.

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Wonder what happened, did they hit a patch that made them lose control? Why did it explode? RIP

It sounds mean but part of me wants to look forward to finding out the person was driving drunk and/or recklessly and at least you could say they had it coming, because a genuine tragedy could happen to anyone and that really makes you see how fragile life is frown.gif

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What a damn shame he will surely be missed. frown.gif

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Sad. Ironic. Waste. RIP.

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You really can't screw around with that car unless you really know how to drive.
Or any car...for that matter.wink.gif


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I read the guy driving it was a stunt driver.
Obviously, NOT a very good one.rolleyes.gif

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Couldn't believe it when I saw the news. So sad.
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Eerily familiar to Ryan Dunn's passing. Too bad..... mad.gif
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What was the driver doing?

Racing?

Texting?

Drunk?

Make your bets.

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What was the driver doing?
Taking a sharp corner (see green pointer in satellite image below).

If all those skid marks are any indication, drivers apparently love to light up the tires when making that turn.



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RIP, what a sad tragedy.
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even slidding sideways around a courner like that,which I have done many times in my younger times, should not of came to a fiery crash. I believe the was some malfunction in the car.If the dude was a stunt driver he took turns like that many times. It is a sharp turn! I just hate this happened, I liked this guy, I feel real pain in my heart like I knew him. I sure hope his daughter and other family members are able to cope! R.I.P Paul Walker
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Too early to say what exactly happened.
Looking at the Google Map it would appear the driver lost it under braking, but that's only a guess.

One thing is certain....they were traveling at a VERY high rate of speed.
A Carrera GT is no POS car that disintegrates easily.

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Here is an article from Autoweek that states the Driver, Roger Rodas, was CEO of tuner and racing company Always Evolving. Here is a link to the article:

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20131201/CARNEWS/131209999

Looks like among the many things he was involved in he was also an up and coming racer himself.

Here is another article also from Autoweek with only a couple of details but it appears there were many witnesses who tried to help but were unable to. Makes it all the more horrific.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20131130/CARNEWS/131139996

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A few factors which possibly may have played into this tragedy....

1) Cold tires. Reportedly, the car had been sitting with mechanical problems (stalling) before it had been taken out. Uh-oh.

2) Walker may actually have been the guy the driving. Again, according to a report, before getting in the passenger seat, he mentioned he had never driven a Carrera GT. Uh-oh. I can see a situation where the driver and passenger swapped seats. Walker was accustomed to rear-engined 911s, not a mid-engined 600+ HP supercar. Big, big difference.

3) Most likely this was a modified car....and that can lead to problems. Rodas owned a high performance shop. In fact, the car was last seen leaving the place after being worked on by his mechanics.

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http://acculturated.com/2013/12/02/what-we-lost-when-we-lost-paul-walker/

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Walker once said. “That’s where my focus is most of the time. I’m an actor – that’s my job, but it’s not my life.”

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Either way a tragic loss. I always test a car in a large parking lot. That way I can test the brakes in turns, run the bootlegger 180, and see how it takes off from a start. Too late for them but not for anyone reading this. Rip Paul.

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I remember when the first 911 turbos came out. Something like 6 out of the first 8 buyers here in Charlotte wrecked them within a month of purchase, including the pro wrestler T.A. Magnum. The guys who could afford to buy those cars weren't necessarily the youngest or most skilled drivers, to say the least. After that, the local Porsche dealer instituted a mandatory training class for each buyer to cut down on the carnage.
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Regardless of the reality of "loving the idea of PW, rather than the man" it's still doesn't lessen the grief people feel.

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Either way a tragic loss. I always test a car in a large parking lot. That way I can test the brakes in turns, run the bootlegger 180, and see how it takes off from a start. Too late for them but not for anyone reading this. Rip Paul.
Absolutely right.
I have driven supercars and other very fast cars, but I NEVER jump into a strange car and go full-tilt boogie initially.
You work up to it over time.
Damaging a car or, worse, hurting someone shows a lack of respect and common sense.

However, we still don't know the true story here and it may take awhile for it all to come out.

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I remember when the first 911 turbos came out. Something like 6 out of the first 8 buyers here in Charlotte wrecked them within a month of purchase, including the pro wrestler T.A. Magnum. The guys who could afford to buy those cars weren't necessarily the youngest or most skilled drivers, to say the least. After that, the local Porsche dealer instituted a mandatory training class for each buyer to cut down on the carnage.

Yeah, the infamous 1976 non-intercooled 930 turbo. My neighbor had one. It was scary to drive not knowing when the turbo would suddenly kick in. It only had 230 HP but it was a handful. The last version of the Turbo with the original chassis in '89 had a 5 speed is the only one I would buy if I was in the market for a classic Turbo. It was much easier to drive.
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This is a chilling and telling quote:
"It says it has traction control, but that traction control on that car is not going to do a thing to save you," Rahal said.

Nearly all supercars and sports cars, have some kind of "traction control."
This is a pretty good safety idea, IMO.
The problem comes in the execution of this feature.
It seems most manufacturers have unique solutions to this, meaning not all "traction control" is the same.

Another problem is that now there are various "settings" or amounts of TC available for drivers to select from the driver's seat, including turning it completely or nearly completely "OFF."
In other words, adding a complexity to the equation.
Again, I think this is a good thing, what is good for one driver may not be good for another.
HOWEVER, this makes every car model a different beast to tame (so to speak) and that can lead to problems for the average guy who isn't geeky enough to get into the details of his car.

Ignorance can be a killer with high-powered cars.
Not knowing and not taking the TIME to get into a yin & yang situation with the vehicle can lead to disaster or death.....it happens all the time.

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This is a chilling and telling quote:
"It says it has traction control, but that traction control on that car is not going to do a thing to save you," Rahal said.

Nearly all supercars and sports cars, have some kind of "traction control."
This is a pretty good safety idea, IMO.
The problem comes in the execution of this feature.
It seems most manufacturers have unique solutions to this, meaning not all "traction control" is the same.

Another problem is that now there are various "settings" or amounts of TC available for drivers to select from the driver's seat, including turning it completely or nearly completely "OFF."
In other words, adding a complexity to the equation.
Again, I think this is a good thing, what is good for one driver may not be good for another.
HOWEVER, this makes every car model a different beast to tame (so to speak) and that can lead to problems for the average guy who isn't geeky enough to get into the details of his car.

Ignorance can be a killer with high-powered cars.
Not knowing and not taking the TIME to get into a yin & yang situation with the vehicle can lead to disaster or death.....it happens all the time.

That's the thing about traction control...I don't understand why there's an OFF mode for street use. If the car is going to be for street use only there should not be a reason to turn it off unless...unless your going over gravel
constantly which makes both traction control and ABS useless. Now...if your going on to use it on a closed course/racetrack turn it off so your controlling the car and not the other way around. Just my 2 cents.

As for Rahal he admits he drives his cars hard and I'm sure this Carrera GT was put through it's paces. Rahal probably put it through 10/10th on the racetrack. The car may have had low mileage but it's all hard
miles. I wouldn't touch it knowing it's history. Especially coming from an Indy driver. Their right up there with F1 drivers. These guys have insane reaction times and drive faster than most anyone on the planet.
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The unfortunate fact of the matter, whether you agree with TC or not, is that something went wrong in the driver's seat prior to the crash. I am not sure what the weather conditions were...but any and all TC could have been enabled, and if the tire pressures were too high (for example) and the ground was somewhat cold, that right there could have resulted in this catastrophic accident. There are so many variables at play it will take the CART team down there a lot of time to figure it all out...and they will.

As for Paul Walker...he hit the scene as I was leaving high school, entering college, and getting my own feet wet in SCCA events and some of the local 24-hour races. I think him doing a Steve McQueen biopic (as was planned) would have been phenomenal, as I grew to see him as my generation's McQueen analogue. I definitely felt after the last couple "Fast and Furious" movies, as well as "Running Scared", his magnum opus was just around the corner and we were going to get his "Great Escape" and "Bullitt". It is a tremendous loss for his family and friends, and I definitely am bummed out that one of my favorite actors to watch is now gone. Reminds me, obviously, of Heath Ledger and his untimely departure.

Oh...and in no way do I think the conversation was derailed by talking cars. If Paul Walker was anything like the person I have heard he was, he would be the first one to get this conversation turned toward what he loved most...not feeling sad for him but discussing, debating, and expressing our love for cars and driving. I know that's what I would much prefer were I in his shoes. And speaking of cars...the laundry list of Walker's collection is fantastic. VERY good taste that spans multiple themes and continents.

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