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It sounded great at the big IMAX screen (not 70mm though) on I-Drive here in Orlando, FL. My old gripe was that the picture was soft, especially on the non-IMAX scenes, I sat right at the back and it was still a little blurry and the IMAX scenes were 'good' in terms of sharpness when they should have been spectacular like Dark Knight Rises was. I started off sitting about halfway down the theater and it was so blurry that it would have verged on unwatchable, at the back it was OK but visually not in the league of Dark Knight, perhaps the focus on the projector was slightly off . . . very good movie, of course not as good as 2001. I did have problems with silly plot points and unexplained parts of the story like (and this is not a spoiler) - his previously nice son acting like a jackass for the second half of the movie for no apparent reason and some of the scientific aspects verging on being totally silly. Very good movie though and I look forward to the video release.
If more than one movie shows blurry, then something is not right.
I see two possible problems here....

1: (without being judgmental), you need new corrective prescription spectacles.
2: most likely, it's the projectionist who needs glasses.

Obviously this is an issue with focusing.
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"Innersteller" looks really cool. A suspenseful, visually stunning well acted Sci Fi. I love Sci fi from Jules Verne to Ray Bradbury. I'm looking forward to seeing the film in Phila. PA where I happen to live. I read Steven Hawkings thinks the earth is dying planet. So if he's right it looks like the plot could become one day a reality.
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Great Technical Review, but...

Thank you for the thorough technical review Scott, but I must disagree with assessment of 2001 Space Odyssey. It was not very emotional and in my opinion flat and did not evoke a sense of wonderment or optimism, but as others said, it is only truly understood by reading the novel and the follow up stories in the series. In fact it was not to the second novel 2010, that you really understood the reason for the monoliths and why Discovery One was sent to Jupiter (originally Saturn). However if you read 3001 Space Odyssey, you will realize that there was less optimism towards the monoliths.

I wish I could see it on IMAX and held off hoping to make a trip specifically for this purpose, and it looks like I will have to see it in multiplex theater I am hoping that Warner Bros releases this in a 4K version in either the upcoming Blu-ray format or one of the fixed disk systems.
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See it at another IMAX. One thing this movie proves: not all IMAX theaters are the same.

Even the 4K Digital is awesome if seen in the right theater.
Maybe that's exactly what Nolan wants; that we see his movie @ least twice, @ two different venues. ...More money for the movie studio.
...Not a bad strategy @ all; very clever this Nolan guy, and all that gang behind.

And! This way it also generates more revenues from Blu-rays. /// You'll see...how much money all together 'Interstellar' generates worldwide.
...And from the public theaters (IMAX, 70mm, 35mm, 4K, digital projection), and from the Blu-rays and DVDs, and from everything else (publicity/promotion) related to it.
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I am with you Scott. In those scenes with loud ambient noises to convey the accurate sound of a launch or a speedy trip through a cornfield, just don't have dialogue. Seems simple to me. Dialogue in a film should actually mean something.
But in real life, dialogue doesn't always mean something much.
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If more than one movie shows blurry, then something is not right.
I see two possible problems here....

1: (without being judgmental), you need new corrective prescription spectacles.
2: most likely, it's the projectionist who needs glasses.

Obviously this is an issue with focusing.
Well thank goodness I don't wear spectacles in the movie theater, it was some kind of focus issue with the projection which is actually unusual there because it's usually an awesome IMAX, HUGE screen and the acoustics and audio setup there is fantastic. I thought it was simply the fact I was sitting too close to the front and the opening scenes were non-IMAX but the focusing was probably slightly off. I was slightly disappointed that they were not one of the theaters included in the 70mm IMAX showings, I would have had to go to Tampa for that.

By the way, anyone who complains a movie in an IMAX is too loud for them should not be allowed out in public, stay at home and watch movies on your TV seriously.

Another thing, you couldn't understand all the dialogue? Can you understand everything everybody is saying in real life either? NO, we've gotten used to movies being an unrealistic depiction of real life, people mumble and speak quietly, there is background noise in real life drowning out what people say. It's an artistic decision from him to make the visuals more important than the dialogue in certain parts of the movie, if you don't like it there are other movies you can see.

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BTW: for the people who don't like 2001 . . . . It's not really a regular movie, it's a 'Kubrick' thing, a piece of art that's more than the sum of it's parts, some people get it, some people don't which is cool. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it's a visionary work of art which makes it great and incomparable to anything else because it's different.
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But in real life, dialogue doesn't always mean something much.
Why have any dialogue. Subtitles will do.
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This is an important article in the discussion; Nolan explains why he mixed the dialog low. I disagree with his decision, but at least we know it was intentional and part of the soundtrack.
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Basking in sheets of excessively loud sound is something that can be orgasmic when the dynamics are right. There were no dynamics in the theater that day. Who controls this?
Dynamic range is ultimately handled by the mixer/engineer who interprets the desires of typically the director.

Unfortunately it seems Nolan is overly reliant on the qualities of LOud-FIdelity dynamic range compression to create the wall of sound effect.
His films have progressively become louder and bloated. His artistic intentions can be conveyed in a superior manner by not abusing compressors and utilizing the full benefits available of dynamic range afforded to modern film soundtracks.

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[COLOR="Purple"]As he has done in several of his movies, Nolan uses different aspect ratios, including Imax film-native 1.43:1, "flat" 1.85:1, Imax flat 1.89:1 (which is mostly used in museum- and planetarium-based Imax theaters), and 2.39:1 for shots on 35mm film. The shots in space were mostly 1.43:1, providing an awesome sense of immersion, while many of the more intimate moments were in one of the wider aspect ratios. I noticed the switches sometimes, but it never bothered me—in fact, I thought it served the experience well. The image was mighty impressive on the 66x46-foot screen, which had been masked from its full size of 86x46 feet.

After the movie, I met up with the Chinese Theatre's head projectionist, Thomas Larsen (who has been a guest on my Home Theater Geeks podcast), and the onsite Imax projection specialist, Pat Caldwell, who gave me a tour of the projection room. I learned that the film itself weighs 600 pounds and stretches 10.67 miles. An Imax film projector had been installed for this movie, and its unique film-handling and shutter system are responsible for the lack of gate judder.

Unlike 35mm film projectors, in which the film is oriented vertically, the Imax 70mm projector orients the film horizontally. The film is drawn from the center of the spool outward and returned to the take-up spool in the same way, leaving it ready to be played again immediately—no rewinding necessary. Interstellar fills the spool so completely, there is no room for trailers, and the end credits are drastically shorter than in other presentation formats.

Larsen told me that the open-gate peak brightness for Imax is 22 foot-lamberts, whereas 35mm film and digital are spec'd at 16 fL. The movie was plenty bright, but the blacks were not all that deep; I found myself wishing for high dynamic range to deepen the blacks and reveal more detail in the shadows of some very dark scenes.

I've read some reports that put Interstellar in the same league as 2001: A Space Odyssey. I don't agree—I think 2001 is a much better movie. Granted, both portray space science as accurately as possible—a revolutionary idea in 1968 and still somewhat uncommon today—and both deal with existential issues in a sophisticated manner. However, whereas 2001 is uplifting and almost spiritual, I found Interstellar to be depressing and rather banal by comparison. That's not to say I was bored—as I mentioned earlier, the visuals alone held my attention for the entire two hours and 49 minutes.

If you decide to see Interstellar, I recommend seeking out an Imax theater showing it in 70mm film;
click here to see if there's such a theater near you


Also, different presentation formats don't necessarily use the same set of aspect ratios as Imax 70mm film. In any event, be sure to protect your hearing one way or another and make a pit stop before finding your seat.
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For those wanting to know, i would still call the theater and check to see if it is in 75MM IMAX, 70MM or 35MM film.

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♦ Unfortunately that IMAX theater near me is not from Scott's list (second link from first above quote - enlightened in large yellow lettering).

But! When you go to their own website ( http://imaxvictoria.com/movies/interstellar ) it says differently.

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I saw this at Seven Bridges (Woodridge) IMAX in Illinois. They have a monster screen and the sound system was awesome. I didn't have any issues with the dialogue and really enjoyed the movie. Awesome theater if anyone is close to it, definitely worth it.
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Bashing film makers is too much work. Interstellar is the greatest scifi movie ever made and it happens to be Nolan's baby. You can't change that, no matter how much you hate the guy.
No it's not.
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By the way, anyone who complains a movie in an IMAX is too loud for them should not be allowed out in public, stay at home and watch movies on your TV seriously.
Your post could have done without that idiotic statement.
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Your post could have done without that idiotic statement.

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I don't think it unreasonable to expect to see a movie at a commercial theater without suffering nausea and permanent hearing damage.
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I don't think it unreasonable to expect to see a movie at a commercial theater without suffering nausea and permanent hearing damage.
nausea and permanent hearing damage? Seriously?

15/70 IMAX theater downtown Montreal where I saw the film was loud, but not that loud! In fact when I saw Star Trek in 2009 in the same theater it was louder than Insterstellar. The mix itself and how the dialog is heard or not is another matter. Just because some people are complaining the dialog is inaudible doesn't mean the overall level is reaching unhealthy levels.
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nausea and permanent hearing damage? Seriously?

15/70 IMAX theater downtown Montreal where I saw the film was loud, but not that loud! In fact when I saw Star Trek in 2009 in the same theater it was louder than Insterstellar. The mix itself and how the dialog is heard or not is another matter. Just because some people are complaining the dialog is inaudible doesn't mean the overall level is reaching unhealthy levels.
I'm serious. The volume level was extreme in theIMAX theater where we saw it. Btw, I didn't have much issue with dialog at this theater.

For reference, I'm no prude when it comes to listening at fairly loud levels at home. My neighbors can vouch for that....lol.
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Yikes... Not Allowed in Public?? Get a grip....

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nausea and permanent hearing damage? Seriously?

15/70 IMAX theater downtown Montreal where I saw the film was loud, but not that loud! In fact when I saw Star Trek in 2009 in the same theater it was louder than Insterstellar. The mix itself and how the dialog is heard or not is another matter. Just because some people are complaining the dialog is inaudible doesn't mean the overall level is reaching unhealthy levels.
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Well thank goodness I don't wear spectacles in the movie theater, it was some kind of focus issue with the projection which is actually unusual there because it's usually an awesome IMAX, HUGE screen and the acoustics and audio setup there is fantastic. I thought it was simply the fact I was sitting too close to the front and the opening scenes were non-IMAX but the focusing was probably slightly off. I was slightly disappointed that they were not one of the theaters included in the 70mm IMAX showings, I would have had to go to Tampa for that.

By the way, anyone who complains a movie in an IMAX is too loud for them should not be allowed out in public, stay at home and watch movies on your TV seriously.

Another thing, you couldn't understand all the dialogue? Can you understand everything everybody is saying in real life either? NO, we've gotten used to movies being an unrealistic depiction of real life, people mumble and speak quietly, there is background noise in real life drowning out what people say. It's an artistic decision from him to make the visuals more important than the dialogue in certain parts of the movie, if you don't like it there are other movies you can see.
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I'm serious. The volume level was extreme in theIMAX theater where we saw it. Btw, I didn't have much issue with dialog at this theater.

For reference, I'm no prude when it comes to listening at fairly loud levels at home. My neighbors can vouch for that....lol.
The previous Not allowed in public snark is unfortunate. I am also in the camp that enjoys loud stuff and even seeks it out. For all I know the theater operator jacked up the sound way beyond reason so that they could hear what other people here are calling low dialog. I'm not exaggerating when I say that the SPL in the room was irresponsibly loud. I only go to the theater these days for what I consider "event" movies. This was to be my treat to myself for this year. Invariably these event films that I seek out are very loud, visually arresting, and otherwise over the top. I felt cheated and upset when the sound made it impossible for me to fully experience the full range of drama and emotion that were obviously there and intended to be experienced. I had no problem with the dialog levels, either when they were intelligible or submersed under the ambient sound. The LEVEL of the sound overall was unreasonable and, yes, Stupid. Your Mileage May have Varied at your theater, but it sure looks like I wasn't alone.
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The levels measured by Scott were into the hazardous territory:

http://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/noise/signs.htm

I've seen various folks around the web complaining of ear ringing after viewing Interstellar.

I understand there are those who welcome and enjoy such sound levels, but it's not without risk (especially if one has a predisposition to hearing damage/tinnitus, which appears to be genetic and you don't know until you actually get it).

Renarks of the type made by harrismix are both ignorant and obnoxious.
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Home Theater or Earplugs?

I often avoid going to a theater because the sound is poor and is better in my home theater where I can control it. Looks like Interstellar may be one of those movies although intelligibility is rarely a problem in other films. I'm wondering if the intelligibility will be better in my theater where I can control the ratio of dialog speaker level to that from surrounds which typically carry much or most of the effects sounds which mask speech. However, I will probably do the Imax thing anyway as the images should be even better than on my screen. I'll take some earplugs with me that I have which attenuate the sound by around 10 dB but have a relatively flat frequency response. 10 dB may not sound like a lot but corresponds with half loudness for most people, a huge reduction subjectively.
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I often avoid going to a theater because the sound is poor and is better in my home theater where I can control it. Looks like Interstellar may be one of those movies although intelligibility is rarely a problem in other films. I'm wondering if the intelligibility will be better in my theater where I can control the ratio of dialog speaker level to that from surrounds which typically carry much or most of the effects sounds which mask speech. However, I will probably do the Imax thing anyway as the images should be even better than on my screen. I'll take some earplugs with me that I have and attenuate the sound by around 10 dB but have a relatively flat frequency response. 10 dB may not sound like a lot but corresponds with half loudness for most people, a huge reduction subjectively.
My two IMAX experiences were great. No issues with dialogue or loudness (but I like it loud).

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Why have any dialogue. Subtitles will do.
That's exactly what we always do, on audio forums of the internet.
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The levels measured by Scott were into the hazardous territory:

http://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/noise/signs.htm

I've seen various folks around the web complaining of ear ringing after viewing Interstellar.

I understand there are those who welcome and enjoy such sound levels, but it's not without risk (especially if one has a predisposition to hearing damage/tinnitus, which appears to be genetic and you don't know until you actually get it).

Renarks of the type made by harrismix are both ignorant and obnoxious.

If you have ear ringing after seeing a film, you have permanently damaged your hearing to some degree. That should NEVER happen at a film. I will say it again. LOUDER IS NOT BETTER.
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If you have ear ringing after seeing a film, you have permanently damaged your hearing to some degree. That should NEVER happen at a film. I will say it again. LOUDER IS NOT BETTER.

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My two IMAX experiences were great. No issues with dialogue or loudness (but I like it loud).
How old are you? Speech masking varies a lot with age.
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The levels measured by Scott were into the hazardous territory:

http://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/noise/signs.htm
Yeah but for how long?? It's not like you have to endure 117 dB for 3 hours straight. It peaked at 117 that's quite different.

He also said the presentation had an average 90 dB iirc, which is pretty tolerable.
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If you have ear ringing after seeing a film, you have permanently damaged your hearing to some degree. That should NEVER happen at a film. I will say it again. LOUDER IS NOT BETTER.
Yup. I wish I'd absorbed that point when playing in a band for many years.

Of course there's numerous people who love loud sound, huge waves of bass etc.
And then there's the argument that arguing against super loud soundtracks is an old-fogey perspective that holds back progress, as new technology and additional dynamic range further's the goal of movies sonically replicating the experience of real life.

The problem is that the type of sounds ubiquitous in movies, especially ones with action, are just the types of sounds that, at "real levels," threaten hearing damage - guns, car crashes, wars, jets, explosions, etc. A "real" rocket taking off would pretty much deafen you if you were standing where the typical camera shot placed you in a lift-off sequence. Is it wise to keep pushing to replicate real life in this fashion? The very nature of movies, especially the type that now dominate the box office, would put everyone into hearing-damage-level situations if they were re-created at "realistic" levels.

And ever expanding dynamic range capabilities do indeed allow for more realism. But for just that reason, it also sets up possible issues for human ears. It's well known for instance that hearing damage occurs more readily when we experience extreme loudness changes, for instance our ears attuned to a quiet room and a firecracker or gunshot suddenly going off.
The more such large swings in dynamics are possible, the closer one can replicate real-life sonic scenarios that are more threatening to the health of our hearing.

There are standards for mixing theaters (ours are usually pinked to 85 db...and since one another 20db of headroom is common enough it's amazing how loud some scenes can be in mixing theaters. One recent playback had a dance club scene that was bone rattling during playback. One may as well have been in a real dance club).

But movie theaters are all over the map. The type of levels they can produce, especially when the orders are to crank it up, can be problematic for our hearing health.

It's not that I'm arguing here against dynamic movie soundtracks. It's just that we should also keep in mind there are possible pitfalls and liabilities that come along with the quest for ever increasing sonic realism, wider dynamic range, and higher volume in playback.

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Yeah but for how long?? It's not like you have to endure 117 dB for 3 hours straight. It peaked at 117 that's quite different.

He also said the presentation had an average 90 dB iirc, which is pretty tolerable.
Look at his measurements and compare to the CDC recommended exposure limits.

CDC rec 105 db, max exposure 5 minutes.
Scott recorded the Interstellar sound as staying above 101 dBC 10% of the time. That is approximately 16 minutes of close to 105 db exposure during the movie. Not to mention the average level of the movie throughout it's THREE HOURS was approaching 100 db!

CDC rec for 120 db exposure is a mere 9 seconds. Scott measured peaks of 117 db, but also 120 dBC for lower frequencies for the end of the movie. I'd think they likely exceeded 9 seconds in length.

This seems clearly to me to be pushing at the danger zone.
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How old are you? Speech masking varies a lot with age.
My hearing is tested every year and there are no issues. I prefer movies loud but only watch 2 a week.

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The levels measured by Scott were into the hazardous territory:

http://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/noise/signs.htm

I've seen various folks around the web complaining of ear ringing after viewing Interstellar.

I understand there are those who welcome and enjoy such sound levels, but it's not without risk (especially if one has a predisposition to hearing damage/tinnitus, which appears to be genetic and you don't know until you actually get it).

Renarks of the type made by harrismix are both ignorant and obnoxious.
ReNarks?

Obnoxious and ignorant IN YOUR OPINION.
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