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Daniel Craig Definitely Out as 007? And Maybe Tom Hiddleston...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/craig-bon...182047621.html

Interesting news...though I don't quite know about Hiddleston taking Craig's place. Truly disappointing, though, as I thought Craig was the best Bond perhaps since Connery...

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Very disappointing news.
I was really looking forward to Daniel, coming back, to do another Bond flick.
Hopefully, he'll reconsider his decision.

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Very disappointing news.
I was really looking forward to Daniel, coming back, to do another Bond flick.
Hopefully, he'll reconsider his decision.
I totally agree, Coolcat; he was an AWESOME Bond, with his steely, confident attitude and refusal to "succumb" to any of the adversaries he faced, no matter how vicious the torture was...it was indeed Craig who rescued this franchise from the somewhat campy previous entries (I'm talking about films like Die Another Day, Octopussy, et al).

There has been a ton of back-and-forth regarding Craig and his wanting to stay with this franchise from what I understand; he was on the fence about doing Spectre, I believe, but changed his mind (rumors had it that he was done after Skyfall) so perhaps, like you said, he will do so again...

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We knew Daniel Craig's time was coming up. He has been voicing dissatisfaction with the role for a while now.


I'm not sure how I feel about Hiddleston in the role. A lot of people were wanting Idris Elba in the role. Not sure about that either as I'm a traditionalist when it comes to casting iconic roles, but one cannot deny Elba's acting prowess.


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I'm not sure how I feel about Hiddleston in the role.
He seems too flat for the role after this.
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Get Chis Vance from the Transporter TV Series, Clive Owen could pull it off too. Idris Elba would make a damn fine "M".
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Hiddleston's role in The Night Manager feels like an audition reel for Bond. I think he'd be fine in the role if the movies shifted back more toward espionage and less toward action, but that seems incredibly unlikely to happen in the current marketplace.

My first choice would be Michael Fassbender.
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Who else would be a good fit for the Walther PPK?
My first choice would be Jason Statham.
He would carry on the no-nonsense, rugged persona, that Craig brought to the role.
Born in the UK, he has the British accent and is about the same age, as the departing Craig.
Plus he would be able to do more of his own stunts, than Craig.
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My first choice would be Jason Statham.
He would carry on the no-nonsense, rugged persona, that Craig brought to the role.
Born in the UK, he has the British accent and is about the same age, as the departing Craig.
Plus he would be able to do more of his own stunts, than Craig.
Jason trains daily, like a professional athlete, so he's never out of shape.

Don't know of he's suave enough for Bond, but he would make a fine Bond villain. Imagine a bad guy that's actually tough.

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We knew Daniel Craig's time was coming up. He has been voicing dissatisfaction with the role for a while now.
He was back and forth, on the fence about it for awhile, from what I understand...

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I'm not sure how I feel about Hiddleston in the role. A lot of people were wanting Idris Elba in the role. Not sure about that either as I'm a traditionalist when it comes to casting iconic roles, but one cannot deny Elba's acting prowess.


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I'm not going to get into the whole "why Elba is completely not right for this role" thing (it was discussed ad nauseum in the Spectre review thread) -- I will say that I don't think Hiddleston is right, either. This is a tough one, but I can see Statham in the role -- though he would be the first "bald Bond," if that matters...

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Don't know of he's suave enough for Bond, but he would make a fine Bond villain. Imagine a bad guy that's actually tough.
I am totally envisioning Statham for the Bond role, Tenth, with some "suave training," in reference to your logical point -- but he would make a great villain, as well. However, we DID see an awesomely tough bad guy in Dave Bautista's "Mr. Hinx" in Spectre...

The biggest issue I have with considering Statham for the role of "tough villain" is that he was SEVERELY underused in the last Fast & The Furious film, as the badass Deckard Shaw...he was built up to be the ultimate unstoppable mercenary type that perhaps Toretto and Hobbs couldn't even handle physically, but in the actual film (Furious 7), he didn't quite play out that way. The final battle between Shaw and Toretto at the end wasn't what I was expecting, with Diesel doing too much "man-handling" of the Shaw character, who was supposed to be specially-trained while boasting tons of related experience that would, in the real world, put Diesel's character completely with the disadvantage (no matter how "street tough" Toretto was). That characterization for Statham severely disappointed me.

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My first choice would be Jason Statham.
He would carry on the no-nonsense, rugged persona, that Craig brought to the role.
Born in the UK, he has the British accent and is about the same age, as the departing Craig.
Plus he would be able to do more of his own stunts, than Craig.
Jason trains daily, like a professional athlete, so he's never out of shape.

I'm in agreement with you, once again, Coolcat...

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Probably the only one here that is glad Craig is not returning. Very disappointed in his last Bond film. I think he made the right decision. Not easy to turn down $100 million offer but he did it and good for him. Any of the other actors mentioned in this thread would be fine although I feel Statham's cockney accent is his main drawback.

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Probably the only one here that is glad Craig is not returning. Very disappointed in his last Bond film.
I'm curious to know why. Any details?
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I think Josh nailed it with Michael Fassbender, he would be awesome. All the other names seem awkward to me, even Clive Owen, he lacks charisma. As for Jason Statham, I like him a lot, but he doesn't fit the profile, yet who knows? Although it seems unlikely he will be even considered for the role. Tom Hiddleston would be a great choice too.

Daniel Craig managed to reinvent the character and make it relevant in an era of Ethan Hunts and Jason Bournes... I'm curious how they're gonna go from there with a new actor. Craig was one of the Best 007s imo.

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Don't know of he's suave enough for Bond, but he would make a fine Bond villain. Imagine a bad guy that's actually tough.
Both Craig and Statham look like they could kill someone with there bare hands.

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How about Aidan Turner who played Poldark lets go back to a suave 007.

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Probably the only one here that is glad Craig is not returning. Very disappointed in his last Bond film. I think he made the right decision. Not easy to turn down $100 million offer but he did it and good for him. Any of the other actors mentioned in this thread would be fine although I feel Statham's cockney accent is his main drawback.

I really liked Craig as Bond. The writing on Spectre was just plain awful, and I'm far from a movie critic. I think he did what he could with what he had, and is glad to be done with the series. I don't know who is next, but if Stratham is next in line I'll be waiting for a LOT of reviews before I even think of watching.
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Interesting news...though I don't quite know about Hiddleston taking Craig's place. Truly disappointing, though, as I thought Craig was the best Bond perhaps since Connery...
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I never liked Craig as Bond. He looked and acted more like a Bond villain. Bond is supposed to be sophisticated, suave, good with a quip and a good looking ladies' man. Craig was none of those. I've thought for quite a while that Clive Owen should have been Bond. He pulls off suave, sophisticated, confident and British better than anyone I can think of. But now in his fifties, he's too long in the tooth. And to a lesser extent, Hugh Jackman, although he's too big of a star and typecast as Wolverine for Bond anyway. I can't think of any of the younger stars who would be a natural for Bond, and of the twenty or so rumored, I don't think any of them fit the role. But who knows, maybe whoever they pick will pull a Michael Keaton and fool everyone.
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I agree that Craig Daniels was the best bond since Connery. I also remember that when he was casted, fans of the franchise thought it was the end of the world. Idris Elba, I think, could pull it off, he would be my first choice followed by Tom Hardy.
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I'm curious to know why. Any details?
My negative comments on the Spectre movie are posted in that thread so I won't repeat them here. The whole creative team behind that debacle (especially Sam Mendes) were a tremendous letdown. The people here who predicted Daniel Craig would return as Bond were ignoring his caustic comments on how he felt upon finishing the movie. He REALLY was unhappy with his Bond role. Sean Connery who had also reached that point of dissatisfaction with the Bond character was always lured back one more time when enough money was flashed in front of him. So my hat's off to Craig for realizing that enough is enough, his last film should have been Skyfall with the exit of Judi Dench and the intro of Ralph Fiennes. Like most people here Craig and Connery are my two favorite Bonds, actors who are never allowed to quit even when the creative juices have run out.

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The failures of Spectre should not be blamed upon Craig. IMO he's the only one who I can visualize as Bond after reading the novels, Bond was not a nice man by any means and Craig portrayed that.
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Probably the only one one here that is glad Craig is not returning. Very disappointed in his last Bond film.
Agree that you'd probably be the only one here who is glad he ISN'T returning; disagree that he was disappointing in Spectre. The film itself had some issues that kept it from reaching the heights of Casino Royale and Skyfall, but I don't think these had anything to do with Craig.

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The failures of Spectre should not be blamed upon Craig. IMO he's the only one who I can visualize as Bond after reading the novels, Bond was not a nice man by any means and Craig portrayed that.
Precisely my thoughts with regard to replying to G, Defcon...I don't believe Spectre's issues had much, if anything, to do with Craig's performance in it. I also like his portrayal of a cold, bent-on-sheer-revenge Bond which he has brought to the franchise; he loves the ladies, as all Bonds do, but he seems to fear nothing, will take on all adversaries and exudes a steely, don't-mess-with-me aura that fits the character perfectly.

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I agree that Craig Daniels was the best bond since Connery. I also remember that when he was casted, fans of the franchise thought it was the end of the world. Idris Elba, I think, could pull it off, he would be my first choice followed by Tom Hardy.
That's Daniel Craig, not Craig Daniels...

Idris Elba is wrong for the role. Bond was never a man of color in the narratives, unless I missed something along the way in collecting most of Fleming's books. Hardy? POSSIBLY...

This is a tough one to cast, to be sure; it's not just about finding someone with a natural British-esque accent...

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I never liked Craig as Bond. He looked and acted more like a Bond villain. Bond is supposed to be sophisticated, suave, good with a quip and a good looking ladies' man. Craig was none of those. I've thought for quite a while that Clive Owen should have been Bond. He pulls off suave, sophisticated, confident and British better than anyone I can think of. But now in his fifties, he's too long in the tooth. And to a lesser extent, Hugh Jackman, although he's too big of a star and typecast as Wolverine for Bond anyway. I can't think of any of the younger stars who would be a natural for Bond, and of the twenty or so rumored, I don't think any of them fit the role. But who knows, maybe whoever they pick will pull a Michael Keaton and fool everyone.
There's much of this assessment that I have issues with -- to begin with, I don't see Craig as a Bond villain at all in terms of acting like one. For once, we got a Bond who WAS suave and a chick magnet, yet ALSO was cold, calculating and downright frightening when it came to "exacting revenge" for something or someone he felt was wrong or wronged. We saw this play out perfectly in Quantum of Solace, when 007 goes to Haiti and beats the crap out of the "geologist" in the ratty hotel -- throughout that whole film, he had nothing but revenge for Vesper in his mind, and you can see it in his cold, steely blue eyes. In my opinion, no actor in the "mid-generation" series of films (those starring Dalton, Moore, Brosnan et al) pulled this off, and most of their performances were too "soft and campy" for an international superspy character.

But "acting like a Bond VILLAIN"? I don't see that at all, personally.

As for "good looking," I'm a dude, so I'm not gonna pretend to know what the ins and outs are when studying these types of elements, but I didn't have an issue with Bond's looks -- for a guy, I thought the blonde hair, blue-eyed thing worked well, though it's often been said that the Brits "aren't that attractive of a people in general" (just something I've read over the years; I went to London once, but can't recall what anyone looked like in particular -- they WERE very hospitable people to the Americans from what I remember). When Craig is out of makeup and doing interviews and such, you can see that "pale-esque" British look come to the forefront; in other words, he's better looking, I think, when on-screen doing the Bond films. Here's an interesting tidbit regarding what we're talking about: My late father-in-law was a massive fan of the original Connery films, and when Casino Royale came out (he passed away some time after that), I can recall him telling me that he was SO pissed because Bond was NOT supposed to be a "blonde-haired, blue-eyed heartthrob of some kind..." and that he was supposed to be a "dark-haired, debonair ladies man..." You know something? I TOTALLY respected his viewpoint on that, because he was RAISED knowing Connery and the way HE looked in the tux and such; I suppose I'm more of a "modern" 007 fan...

I like your nod to Keaton and the Batman thing, though; indeed, that was a big surprise in Hollywood, and I think Keaton nailed it (I STILL say he had the BEST "Batman sneer" down from beneath the cowl).

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he had nothing but revenge for Vesper in his mind, and you can see it in his cold, steely blue eyes. )
To each his own. It's only movies. But outside the un-Bond looks, I think with this observation you explain exactly why Craig is not Bond. Bond would not have cold, steely eyes. Bond is way too much in control of his emotions for that. Craig's character was too much like every other trying-to-act-tough guy in every other tough guy movie. A Bond movie should not be like every other tough guy movie. That's been done to death and only works with someone who can truly pull it off (think Clint). Suave and sophisticated is extremely hard to pull off also, and I think only Connery and Brosnan were naturals at it.

BTW, without getting into facial symmetry and anthropological reasons why even dudes can judge each other to some extent, I remember seeing all kinds of comments online about Craig not being good looking enough for Bond. It seemed to be a common opinion. A quick Google search just now even pulled up a funny site called danielcraigisnotbond.com ... although I do disagree with their rating of Timothy Dalton, who I think was also terribly miscast as Bond.
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To each his own. It's only movies. But outside the un-Bond looks, I think with this observation you explain exactly why Craig is not Bond. Bond would not have cold, steely eyes. Bond is way too much in control of his emotions for that. Craig's character was too much like every other trying-to-act-tough guy in every other tough guy movie. A Bond movie should not be like every other tough guy movie. That's been done to death and only works with someone who can truly pull it off (think Clint). Suave and sophisticated is extremely hard to pull off also, and I think only Connery and Brosnan were naturals at it.

BTW, without getting into facial symmetry and anthropological reasons why even dudes can judge each other to some extent, I remember seeing all kinds of comments online about Craig not being good looking enough for Bond. It seemed to be a common opinion. A quick Google search just now even pulled up a funny site called danielcraigisnotbond.com ... although I do disagree with their rating of Timothy Dalton, who I think was also terribly miscast as Bond.
As you state, to each his own...but I, for one, didn't care for the quasi-campy "performances" put forth by Dalton, Moore and, subsequently, Brosnan (and I grew up with most of them in those films from their eras) -- and that's WITH being familiar with Fleming's books. The character may have "exuded" calm, calculating smoothness as he's portrayed in literary elements, but Craig, in my opinion, just had the whole "you can stab me, shoot me, torture me...I'm not caring one way or the other, and will kill you once you're done" angle down perfectly. I disagree that his characterization from Casino Royale through to Spectre defined "trying too much like every other tough guy" portrayals; he came across as the perfect anti-villain, and doesn't play as a "Bond villain," instead, at all to me.

As for the "good looking Bond" thing, once again, I don't personally see a problem with his "looks," as most women are attracted to the types of features he boasts. But, as I also pointed out, I understand where older Bond fans are coming from, like my late father-in-law, when they say they cannot envision a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Bond after sitting through Connery's romps. I respect and understand that, but I still remain a fan of the "reinvented" Bond as seen in Casino Royale and as played through Spectre. I also don't put much stock in a website that proclaims "this guy isn't handsome enough to play that stinkin' role!" (paraphrasing here, but you get my drift).

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