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While browsing the Internet Movie Database, I found a listing of all the Academy Award winning "Best Pictures" from 1927 through 2002. The list includes a number of very good films, though I don't imagine there is anyone who agrees with the Academy's choice for BP every year. Looking over the list of 75 winners got me thinking about the really good ones---the films I felt were truly worthy of their "Best Picture" title. I had fun trying to choose a Top 10 and eventually succeeded, but getting it all the way down to 10 required some tough calls. Then I began to think of the other end of the scale, and I compiled a list of 10 films that, to me, were the most undeserving winners. Anyway, I thought it would also be fun to ask the opinions of other forum members about their favorite and least favorite "Best Pictures".

So, here is Question #1: Choosing only from the 75 actual winners selected by the Academy (1927-2002), which ten films do you like the most, i.e., what is your Top 10? I realize that the majority of folks probably haven't seen every one of the Oscar winners. For my part, I haven't yet viewed them all---I've been working on the project, but still have three more to go: WINGS (1927), CAVALCADE (1933) and HAMLET (1948). In any event, if you feel you've seen enough of the films to form an opinion, please share your thoughts---we can all reserve the right "to revise and extend our remarks", and I promise your list won't be written in stone for all time:D. Just have some fun with it!

Question #2: Choosing from the same 75 movies, which ten do you like the least? You may wonder how some of them could possibly have won the award...or how in the world they even got nominated. You might even wonder why some of them were ever made at all:). So, what's your Bottom 10?

Question #3 : Which movies did not win "Best Picture", but you think they should have won? In fact, there may be more than one film from a particular year (whether nominated or not nominated) that you regard as better than the Oscar winner. Perhaps you thoroughly dislike the Academy's choice...or maybe you like the award winner but you think another movie is even more deserving. Whatever the case, let us know your selections---films you think are better choices than the actual winners.

Feel free to answer one question, two questions, or all three...and don't feel you have to do it all in one post. To start the ball rolling, here is my Top 10 and Bottom 10 (in alphabetical order, not rated 1-10):

-----------TOP TEN -----------
ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT (1930)
BEN-HUR (1959)
FORREST GUMP (1994)
GANDHI (1982)
A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS (1966)
MRS. MINIVER (1942)
MY FAIR LADY (1964)
PATTON (1970)
ROCKY (1976)
SCHINDLER'S LIST (1993)

----------BOTTOM TEN----------
AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS (1956)
THE BROADWAY MELODY (1929)
CIMARRON (1931)
THE ENGLISH PATIENT (1996)
GRAND HOTEL (1932)
THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH (1952)
MIDNIGHT COWBOY (1969)
ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST (1975)
SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE (1998)
TOM JONES (1963)


In answering question #3, I'm finding that I have more disagreements with the Academy's BP selections than I realized at first. I'm still thinking about several of those, and I plan to chime in a bit later with more about that. For now, though, I'll just mention a few---these are instances where I have long believed that the Academy picked a "Best Picture" that really wasn't:

1956 --- AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS. Has anyone seen this lately? If you've ever seen it, do you want to see it again? I just don't understand how 80 DAYS could have been selected over John Ford's THE SEARCHERS or William Wyler's FRIENDLY PERSUASION. My pick: FRIENDLY PERSUASION.

1963 --- TOM JONES. This one doesn't hold up well at all, IMO. Not nearly as good as HOW THE WEST WAS WON, LILIES OF THE FIELD, or THE GREAT ESCAPE. I would've picked THE GREAT ESCAPE.

1987 --- THE LAST EMPEROR. Both MATEWAN and CRY FREEDOM are powerful films, much more involving than EMPEROR. My pick: CRY FREEDOM.

1996 --- THE ENGLISH PATIENT. For me, this is one of the worst ever BPs. Even though '96 doesn't seem the greatest year for movies, there are plenty better than THE ENGLISH PATIENT: FARGO, EXECUTIVE DECISION, SLING BLADE, MICHAEL COLLINS, COURAGE UNDER FIRE, THE GHOST AND THE DARKNESS, THE CRUCIBLE, JERRY MAGUIRE, HAMLET, etc. etc.

1998 --- SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE. Another head scratcher for me. Look at the other nominees for BP, all of which are far superior: LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL, ELIZABETH, SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, THE THIN RED LINE. I think DEEP IMPACT and A CIVIL ACTION are much better films also. My pick: THE THIN RED LINE.



Looking forward to your picks!


By the way, a year by year listing of Academy Award nominees and winners can be found at the following link (Internet Movie Database): http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Awards/Academy_Awards_USA/ . Also, as a quick reference, a chronological listing of the 75 "Best Picture" winners is provided below:

1927: WINGS
1929: THE BROADWAY MELODY
1930: ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT
1931: CIMARRON
1932: GRAND HOTEL
1933: CAVALCADE
1934: IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT
1935: MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY
1936: THE GREAT ZIEGFELD
1937: THE LIFE OF EMILE ZOLA
1938: YOU CAN'T TAKE IT WITH YOU
1939: GONE WITH THE WIND
1940: REBECCA
1941: HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY
1942: MRS. MINIVER
1943: CASABLANCA
1944: GOING MY WAY
1945: THE LOST WEEKEND
1946: THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES
1947: GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT
1948: HAMLET
1949: ALL THE KING'S MEN
1950: ALL ABOUT EVE
1951: AN AMERICAN IN PARIS
1952: THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH
1953: FROM HERE TO ETERNITY
1954: ON THE WATERFRONT
1955: MARTY
1956: AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS
1957: THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI
1958: GIGI
1959: BEN-HUR
1960: THE APARTMENT
1961: WEST SIDE STORY
1962: LAWRENCE OF ARABIA
1963: TOM JONES
1964: MY FAIR LADY
1965: THE SOUND OF MUSIC
1966: A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS
1967: IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT
1968: OLIVER!
1969: MIDNIGHT COWBOY
1970: PATTON
1971: THE FRENCH CONNECTION
1972: THE GODFATHER
1973: THE STING
1974: THE GODFATHER, PART 2
1975: ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST
1976: ROCKY
1977: ANNIE HALL
1978: THE DEER HUNTER
1979: KRAMER VS. KRAMER
1980: ORDINARY PEOPLE
1981: CHARIOTS OF FIRE
1982: GANDHI
1983: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT
1984: AMADEUS
1985: OUT OF AFRICA
1986: PLATOON
1987: THE LAST EMPEROR
1988: RAIN MAN
1989: DRIVING MISS DAISY
1990: DANCES WITH WOLVES
1991: THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS
1992: UNFORGIVEN
1993: SCHINDLER'S LIST
1994: FORREST GUMP
1995: BRAVEHEART
1996: THE ENGLISH PATIENT
1997: TITANIC
1998: SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE
1999: AMERICAN BEAUTY
2000: GLADIATOR
2001: A BEAUTIFUL MIND
2002: CHICAGO

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The only two I will comment on are:

1930 - "All Quiet on the Western Front"

A very engaging film that shows the horror of modern war that began in
WWI. Given the state of film production in the late 20's it is very surprising
to see the realism portrayed in the battle scenes. The two most real
were the grave yard and the French soldier. I would say this is the
"Saving Private Ryan" of the era. The flinging of the dead rat was
a strange moment also.

1998 - "Shakespeare in Love "

After 3 failed attempts to watch the movie, I have never been able to make
it through a complete viewing. I won't say it's a bad movie, but it is
just boring as hell to me.

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OK, here are the picks that I personally enjoy the most (out of those I have seen), ordered chronologically:

1) Mutiny On The Bounty
2) Hamlet
3) American In Paris
4) Bridge On The River Kwai
5) Ben Hur
6) Patton
7) The Godfather
8) Amadeus
9) Platoon
10) The Last Emperor

The ones I enjoyed the least/question the most:

Oliver- An awful, bloated mess with horrendous songs. Even Oliver Reed doesn't save it.

Annie Hall- Woody Allen at his whiny pretentious worst.

1988 to present, inclusive- none of these deserved to win, not even Schindler's List. Even though there are a few fun movies there-- plus some dreck- English Patient?? Gag.)

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OK, here are the picks that I personally enjoy the most (out of those I have seen), ordered chronologically:

1) Mutiny On The Bounty
2) Hamlet
3) American In Paris
4) Bridge On The River Kwai
5) Ben Hur
6) Patton
7) The Godfather
8) Amadeus
9) Platoon
10) The Last Emperor

The ones I enjoyed the least/question the most:

Oliver- An awful, bloated mess with horrendous songs. Even Oliver Reed doesn't save it.

Annie Hall- Woody Allen at his whiny pretentious worst.

1988 to present, inclusive- none of these deserved to win, not even Schindler's List. Even though there are a few fun movies there-- plus some dreck- English Patient?? Gag.)
Two thumbs up for Ben-Hur also. Why Stephen Boyd didn't win an Oscar
for his performance as Messala is beyond me. His death scene was the
best performance of the whole movie.

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Okay, I am going to cheat. I'm giving two lists of Top 10--one for those movies made before I was born, and one for those made after I was born. These lists are for those movies I most enjoy, not necessarily those I think are the "finest films" of the list.

Before:
1934: IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT
1939: GONE WITH THE WIND
1940: REBECCA
1943: CASABLANCA
1957: THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI
1959: BEN-HUR
1961: WEST SIDE STORY
1962: LAWRENCE OF ARABIA
1964: MY FAIR LADY
1965: THE SOUND OF MUSIC

After:
1973: THE STING
1975: ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST
1976: ROCKY
1982: GANDHI
1984: AMADEUS
1988: RAIN MAN
1991: THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS
1993: SCHINDLER'S LIST
1995: BRAVEHEART
1997: TITANIC

Oscar Injustices:
1941: "How Green Was My Valley" over the infinitely-superior "Citizen Kane"
1980: "Ordinary People" over either "Star Wars, Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back" or "Raging Bull"
1985: "Out of Africa" -- this wasn't even the best 1985 release from Universal Studios; that was "Brazil"

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Top Ten:

CASABLANCA
BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES
ALL ABOUT EVE
THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI
THE APARTMENT
THE GODFATHER
THE STING
ROCKY
AMADEUS
SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE

Bottom 10:

Too hard. There are a lot of older movies that I don't enjoy, but I feel uncomfortable saying they are bad. Different era, different audience, etc.

Injustices:

The ones that bug me most.

Forest Gump. A flat-out bad movie, besting an amazingly good movie - Shawshank, one extremely enjoyably movie - 4 Weddings, and a great cult flick - Pulp Fiction. Either of those three would have been heaps better than Gump.

Silence of the Lambs. A very good film. But Beauty and the Beast was vastly more deserving, and got shafted for being a cartoon.

Dances with Wolves. How Goodfellas didn't win still baffles me. Almost as much as how the other three movies - Ghost, Awakenings and Godfather III got nominated. Very weird year.
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Interesting idea. I went throught the list and there are quiet a few films that I have not seen, like 15 or so and many that I haven't seen in a very long time. I wrote down the ones I thought were really great and came up with these 9.

My Best:

Casablanca
On the Waterfront
Bridge on the River Kwai
Lawrence of Arabia
A Man for All Seasons
Patton
Godfather I
Godfather II
Unforgiven

For the bottom 10 I only came up with 3 that I really think should have no place there.

Gone with the Wind: Technically its great and it probably won because of that. But its an overblown and boring soap opera. The Wizard of Oz would have been a much better choice.

Gladiator: I like this film, but best picture, no way.

The English Patient: Found it boring.

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I have to admit I have only seen 38 of the films on the list, missing mostr of the older films.

Thats said my top ten would be

One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
American Beauty
GodFather
Godfather Part II
Annie Hall
Silence of the Lambs
The Sting
Ben Hur
Rain Man
Amadeus

Worst
Beautiful Mind
Titanic
English Patient
Driving Miss Dasiy Shakespeare in Love
Gladiator

BTW I enjoyed all of these films but simply didn't feel they were a good choice for Best Picture. In fact I couldn't I find one BP Winner that I truly disliked.
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Injustice:

1979: Kramer v. Kramer instead of Apocalypse Now
1968: Never saw Oliver, but anything that beat out 2001: A Space Odyssey is an injustice
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The Best are endlessly debated, but the Worst is a lot more fun:

My Worst, with some reasons:

Gone With The Wind- Extremely dated, overacted, badly plotted movie. Dreadful book.
The Greatest Show On Earth- Basically unwatchable trash. Stewart's worst performance.
Marty- Hey, I grew up in NY!!
The Apartment- Slimey mess
Oliver!- A musical that should be seen, but not heard
Rocky- I've _never_ understood the acclaim that this B-Movie got.
Kramer vs. Kramer- Boring soap.
Ordinary People- Even more boring soap
The English Patient- Soap so borin... hey, there's a pattern here...
Titanic- Yup, a definite pattern...
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Oscars. Who cares?

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Sorry Tom for the little side diversion here, but trends always fascinate me. I was looking at the list of 75 trying to come up with what was going on in each decade that would possibly prompt the Academy to make the choices they've made. Well, that led me to this. Here are this years nominations:

THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING
LOST IN TRANSLATION
MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD
MYSTIC RIVER
SEABISCUIT

Looking at the 75, only two winners have begun with the letter S.
Four have won beginning with M, and only one with the letter L won.
The movies beginning with T & A (not being cute here) have won 31 times, with T & A being just about equal. Thats 41% if the time T & A wins (again, not being cute here, but it is ironic).

LOTR has been snubbed in years gone by, but now that the trilogy is complete, look for huge wins at the Academy's big night. My opinion anyway.
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All-time stinkeroo picks:

Greastest Show on Earth - You've got to be kidding.
Forrest Gump - Phoniest movie ever made
Shakespeare in Love - over Saving Private Ryan?
Gandhi - over E.T.?
How Green Was My Valley - over Citizen Kane?
Yawners:
Kramer vs. Kramer
Out of Africa
English Patient

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Several people have mentioned GONE WITH THE WIND and REBECCA. That brings up another couple of years I wanted to discuss: 1939 and 1940.

I enjoy GWTW and rate it somewhere in the middle of the pack of award winners. The problem with it as "Best Picture" is that 1939 was a good year for movies, and I think there are a number of better choices that could have or should have won, to wit: OF MICE AND MEN, THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME, STAGECOACH, DRUMS ALONG THE MOHAWK, MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON, and my personal pick from that year---THE WIZARD OF OZ.

I don't like REBECCA (1940) nearly as well as GWTW...and similar to 1939, I think there were several better films from 1940: THE PHILADELPHIA STORY, PRIDE AND PREJUDICE, OUR TOWN, NORTHWEST PASSAGE, and especially THE GRAPES OF WRATH, which I like best of all. I've never understood how REBECCA was chosen over a film as good as THE GRAPES OF WRATH.

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I thought you might find this interesting. The Academy went through their list of "Best Picture" winners in the 20th century and ranked them by "Artistic Quality"
Here is their list, in rank order.

ACADEMY of MOTION PICTURE ARTS and SCIENCES

20th Century BEST PICTURE WINNERS
(ranked by artistic quality)

Rank Year of Award

1 1972 The Godfather
2 1950 All About Eve
3 1974 The Godfather, Part II
4 1962 Lawrence of Arabia
5 1954 On The Waterfront
6 1943 Casablanca
7 1939 Gone With The Wind
8 1946 The Best Years of Our Lives
9 1993 Schindler's List
10 1960 The Apartment
11 1957 The Bridge On The River Kwai
12 1977 Annie Hall
13 1975 One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
14 1940 Rebecca
15 1945 The Lost Weekend
16 1934 It Happened One Night
17 1969 Midnight Cowboy
18 1992 Unforgiven
19 1991 The Silence of the Lambs
20 1986 Platoon
21 1999 American Beauty
22 1987 The Last Emperor
23 1997 Titanic
24 1949 All the King's Men
25 1953 From Here to Eternity
26 1929 -30 All Quiet on the Western Front
27 1961 West Side Story
28 1980 Ordinary People
29 1978 The Deer Hunter
30 1941 How Green Was My Valley
31 1971 The French Connection
32 1988 Rain Man
33 1984 Amadeus
34 1979 Kramer vs. Kramer
35 1958 Gigi
36 1935 Mutiny on the Bounty
37 1951 An American In Paris
38 1990 Dances with Wolves
39 1994 Forrest Gump
40 1995 Braveheart
41 1973 The Sting
42 1965 The Sound of Music
43 1976 Rocky
44 1996 The English Patient
45 1959 Ben-Hur
46 1982 Gandhi
47 1964 My Fair Lady
48 1966 A Man for All Seasons
49 1998 Shakespeare in Love
50 1967 In the Heat of the Night
51 1985 Out of Africa
52 1948 Hamlet
53 1931-32 Grand Hotel
54 1963 Tom Jones
55 1927-28 Wings (Best Production)
Sunrise (Unique and Artistic Picture)
56 1970 Patton
57 1936 The Great Ziegfeld
58 1955 Marty
59 1937 The Life of Emile Zola
60 1944 Going My Way
61 1947 Gentleman's Agreement
62 1942 Mrs. Miniver
63 1968 Oliver!
64 1983 Terms of Endearment
65 1938 You Can't Take It With You
66 1981 Chariots of Fire
67 1989 Driving Miss Daisy
68 1928-29 The Broadway Melody
69 1956 Around the World in 80 Days
70 1930-31 Cimarron
71 1932-33 Cavalcade
72 1952 The Greatest Show on Earth
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My 10 best from the list:
1934: IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT
1943: CASABLANCA
1954: ON THE WATERFRONT
1960: THE APARTMENT
1962: LAWRENCE OF ARABIA
1972: THE GODFATHER
1974: THE GODFATHER, PART 2
1975: ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST
1991: THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS
1993: SCHINDLER'S LIST


Worst:
1952: THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH
1955: MARTY
1958: GIGI
1966: A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS
1967: IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT
1984: AMADEUS
1996: THE ENGLISH PATIENT
1997: TITANIC
1998: SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE
2002: CHICAGO

I tried to choose ones I was relatively familiar with.

Of the best I listed, I own seven.
Of the worst, I own six.
All told, I own twenty-four.
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Ten I liked the most:

1965 The Sound of Music
1957 The Bridge On The River Kwai
1962 Lawrence of Arabia
1961 West Side Story
1964 My Fair Lady
1954 On The Waterfront
1934 It Happened One Night
1994 Forrest Gump
1959 Ben-Hur
1958 Gigi

Ten I liked the least:

1996 The English Patient
1991 The Silence of the Lambs
1998 Shakespeare in Love
1952 The Greatest Show on Earth
1987 The Last Emperor
1947 Gentleman's Agreement
1981 Chariots of Fire
1945 The Lost Weekend
1930-31 Cimarron
1997 Titanic

Some movies I think would have been better choices:

Bonnie and Clyde over In the Heat of the Night.
The Grapes of Wrath over Rebecca
Hannah and Her Sisters over Platoon
Citizen Kane over How Green Was My Valley
JFK over Silence of the Lambs

Statement for which I suppose I'd be most vilified:

Forrest Gump (and Hanks) would have won the Oscar over every Best Picture and Best Actor winner since 1994 if it had been released in that year instead of the one it was released in, 1994.
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Okay, I am going to cheat. I'm giving two lists of Top 10--one for those movies made before I was born, and one for those made after I was born. These lists are for those movies I most enjoy, not necessarily those I think are the "finest films" of the list.

Before:
1934: IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT
1939: GONE WITH THE WIND
1940: REBECCA
1943: CASABLANCA
1957: THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI
1959: BEN-HUR
1961: WEST SIDE STORY
1962: LAWRENCE OF ARABIA
1964: MY FAIR LADY
1965: THE SOUND OF MUSIC

After:
1973: THE STING
1975: ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST
1976: ROCKY
1982: GANDHI
1984: AMADEUS
1988: RAIN MAN
1991: THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS
1993: SCHINDLER'S LIST
1995: BRAVEHEART
1997: TITANIC

Oscar Injustices:
1941: "How Green Was My Valley" over the infinitely-superior "Citizen Kane"
1980: "Ordinary People" over either "Star Wars, Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back" or "Raging Bull"
1985: "Out of Africa" -- this wasn't even the best 1985 release from Universal Studios; that was "Brazil"
---"Oscar Injustices"---
I think HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY is quite a good film, so I don't regard its winning the Oscar as an injustice. However, I agree that it was not the best picture of 1941. CITIZEN KANE is certainly a worthy choice, but my favorite from that year (and one of my all-time favorites) is SERGEANT YORK.

Similarly, I concur with you that ORDINARY PEOPLE wasn't the best film of 1980, though I think it is a film of considerable merit. In any case, I would have chosen either THE ELEPHANT MAN or COAL MINER'S DAUGHTER.

Speaking of an injustice, how about 1953? Now, I'm not saying FROM HERE TO ETERNITY is a terrible film...just a mediocre one. On the other hand, I think George Steven's SHANE is a masterwork and the quintessential western movie. As far as I'm concerned, it should have won BP "hands down" in 1953.

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I can't do this, it's driving me crazy! But, I do want to be the voice in the winderness for "The Greatest Show On Earth" Maybe it didn't hold up well over time, I haven't seen it in a really long time. Maybe, as is often true, you just had to be there then to appreciate it. The circus coming to town used to really be a big deal. But with it's mix of circus people, movie stars, great high wire tensions. story in story, and more, it was big and terrific. Then.

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I am so glad you came to TGSOE's defense! Even though I put it on my "liked the least" list, I DON'T think it's a terrible movie either, "liked the most" and "liked the least" not being the same as "best" vs. "worst" or "greatest" vs. "worthless".

It does fall into that category of movies that, as you say, brought a certain rare pleasure or important topical issue to the audience of it's day but may bewilder audiences years later.

In my opinion, some others are Around the World in 80 Days, The Broadway Melody, Gentlemen's Agreement, Tom Jones, even From Here to Eternity (perhaps the WORST 'drunk' performance by the lead actor, Burt Lancaster, in any scene in any Best Picture winner!) and Kramer vs. Kramer.

I can tell you that this very minute I'd rather be popping in the DVD of The Greatest Show on Earth to enjoy without interruption than whatever latest, super-bit special edition of Titanic that may be flying off of retail counters next year.
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This is a great thread I've been reading with interest, and agree with many of the comments.

I have an opinion of I guess not an injustice, but just more of a pity. "All About Eve" is one of my favorite films of all time, and in fact it would be on my "top 10" Oscar winner list along with Dan 41's and Salmoneous'. But for it to win in 1950 it had to beat out "Sunset Blvd"! How did the voters ever choose? If SB had won that year, then it would be in my top 10. It's not an injustice that it lost, because "All About Eve" is so great. But it is a pity of timing, I guess. Both "Sunset Blvd." and "All About Eve" are better than at least 65 of the 75 movies on that list.
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Posted earlier by Dan41:
---I thought you might find this interesting. The Academy went through their list of "Best Picture" winners in the 20th century and ranked them by "Artistic Quality"---

Hi Dan. Enjoyed talking DVDs with you at the last meeting of our HT group.

It's clear that we of the unwashed masses are far less knowledgeable and disciplined than members of the Academy...we could never employ such a tightly defined and objective criterion as "artistic quality" to evaluate movies;) ;) ;).

The Academy's criterion of "artistic quality" sounds suspiciously like a euphemism for: "I think this movie is better than that movie.":D

Heck, I don't suppose anything gets more subjective than movie watching, or the great pastime of "movie cuss and discuss". For me, subjectivity is the principal feature that gives the whole process a high entertainment value.

Dan, see you when the "Carolina HT Gang" meets again. Happy home theater-ing!:)

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I disagree with the whole premise that the Oscar is for best film. In my book, the best films are NOMINATED for the Oscar.

But. . . .

The winner is the most politically correct, best lobbied movie of the bunch.

In short, picking the winner is political bullsh#t. Occasionally the winner is the best picture, but that is accidental.

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Tom,

I completely agree! :D I had to laugh at the order of several of them but as a whole my favs are near the top and my least are generally towards the bottom. NOT!!! :D

Are you still wanting to see that copy of "Wings"? Maybe we can meet so you can view it before the next Carolina HT meeting.
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My Top Ten:

1957: THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI
1973: THE STING
1974: THE GODFATHER, PART 2
1975: ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST
1977: ANNIE HALL
1978: THE DEER HUNTER
1982: GANDHI
1986: PLATOON
1991: THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS
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One other thing I've done besides printing out the Academy best picture list is to print out a couple of other lists. The best is the AFI top 100; it's very interesting to compair it to the best picture choices. Also the Academy nominates best foriegn movies and that is available at the Oscar site as well. There are other awards, pehaps less prestigous or less well known as the Oscar including the Palme d'Or at Cannes , the New York and Los Angels film critics best picture. Anyway, there are alot of lists all of which I found on the net.
I also agree that looking at the nominees is a good list as the winner is usually PC, lobbied etc. Just think of the great actors who never won including ( I think) Cary Grant and Bogart. I've always thought that if a director (Spielburg/Lucas) is popular and making big movies there is resentment at the Acadamy that it can't be "art"; (although Spielburg finally won for Schindler).

But back to the thread , my picks ( just 10 not in any best order)
1. Casablanca
2.Gone with the Wind
3. Ben-Hur
4. Laurence of Arabia
5. West Side Story
6.From Here to Eternity
7.Rebecca
8.Patoon
9.My Fair Lady
10.It Happened one Night

I own all of the above on DVD, it still amazes me that we can now own collections of the best movies ever made.

FWIW: I strongly dislike "Titanic", and feel about it like alot of you apparently feel about "The English Patient".

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Just think of the great actors who never won including ( I think) Cary Grant and Bogart.
Bogart won for African Queen, although the award proves your point. It is generally acknowledged that he won for all of his work that had gone before. While Charlie Allnut was a memorable character, it simply does not hold up with some of his other performances.

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There seems to be a general consensus on English Patient. I didn't mention it specifically (I lumped it in with the last 20 years or so of bad picks) but I thought it was really weak.

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In recent years, I have mainly disagreed with the Academy. To answer your question #3, here are three films right off the top of my head that I thought should have won best picture. None were even nominated:

1984: Once Upon a Time in America
1988: Unbearable Lightness of Being
2000: Titus

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These are my TOP TEN:

1939: GONE WITH THE WIND
1943: CASABLANCA
1957: THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI
1959: BEN-HUR
1972: THE GODFATHER
1975: ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST
1978: THE DEER HUNTER
1985: OUT OF AFRICA
1992: UNFORGIVEN
1999: AMERICAN BEAUTY

And here you can see my BOTTOM TEN:

1964: MY FAIR LADY
1969: MIDNIGHT COWBOY
1974: THE GODFATHER, PART 2
1976: ROCKY
1979: KRAMER VS. KRAMER
1981: CHARIOTS OF FIRE
1989: DRIVING MISS DAISY
1996: THE ENGLISH PATIENT
1997: TITANIC
2000: GLADIATOR

I haven´t seen many ´pictures, specially the older ones.

Just one more comment:

IMO it is really amazing how a mediocre picture like TITANIC won so many awards! May be one or two would have been well deserved, but twelve!! :rolleyes:
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