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Well, there's always The Illiad. I just remebered that's what they called it so I can now refer to it without being accused of a hate crime

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At their height a much better band than the Beatles IMO. But so were any number of American bands of the time-----Bobby Fuller Four, Music Machine, Sound Explosion, Love, The Seeds, The Frantics, The Beach Boys, The Mob, Booker T and the MGs (house band at Stax), The Barbarians (who remembers Moulty?) and best of all, the hardest driving band of the 60s, The Human Beingz.

I saw the Seeds a few years ago at a weekender in Vegas. Knowing them only from Pushin to Hard I figured they'd be alright but they were awful, just a mess of the psychadelic crap that I've always considered punk to have saved us from. Where did it all go wrong?
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Well, there's always The Illiad. I just remebered that's what they called it so I can now refer to it without being accused of a hate crime

I have never heard his solo stuff before - I just found a copy of this to give it a listen. This is great! This is about the town I came from!!! Like I said, ahead of their (his) time.
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So the Doors have a part in the direct influence of punk rock.

So how do the Doors, Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon and Punk fit together???

So if I follow your logic, Iggy has a hard on for Jim Morrison, Morrison is in the Doors, Iggy is the Godfather of Punk so Jim Morrison and the Doors have influenced Punk Rock.

I just know Kevin Bacon has to be in there some where which means the Bacon Brothers Band has also influenced Punk!
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I have never heard his solo stuff before - I just found a copy of this to give it a listen. This is great! This is about the town I came from!!! Like I said, ahead of their (his) time.

Was that Ed Sanders solo, not The Fugs?? I didn't remember, been too long!!

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So if I follow your logic, Iggy has a hard on for Jim Morrison, Morrison is in the Doors, Iggy is the Godfather of Punk so Jim Morrison and the Doors have influenced Punk Rock.

Well, see Manzarek was influenced by Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Fats Domino, and Jerry Lee Lewis (or so he has said) - and Manzarek had quite a bit to do with The Doors sound, or so I have heard. So was it really The Doors? Oh, and he was also pretty into Stravinsky - so really, Stravinsky influenced punk! Just furthering my prior point...

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I just know Kevin Bacon has to be in there some where which means the Bacon Brothers Band has also influenced Punk!

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Iggy's in a lot of movies!

No doubt Iggy has influenced Paul Newman, Tom Cruise and Scientology! Or was that the Doors??? I forgot, Yikes!
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I can connect Rick Wakeman to Kevin Bacon in 6 moves. I'm sure of it.

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Was that Ed Sanders solo, not The Fugs?? I didn't remember, been too long!!

Yep, it's Ed solo. It was never a set decision to avoid his solo stuff - I just never ran into it. Even at that record store that I worked at, we never had his solo stuff (I'm sure "someone" who's obsessed with how I used to pay rent will jump on that part).
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OK, since we've been talking prog I have to lay this on you. It's my attempt, made with LOVE to peek into the future at what Rick Wakeman might be doing in about 10 years at a little piano bar in Tampa with his mighty Baldwin Fun machine and tip jar, called Yes Fun Explosion!!. Guess the songs!!

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OK, since we've been talking prog I have to lay this on you. It's my attempt, made with LOVE to peek into the future at what Rick Wakeman might be doing in about 10 years at a little piano bar in Tampa with his mighty Baldwin Fun machine and tip jar, called Yes, Fun Explosion. Guess the songs!!

Pretty Vacant? Not sure - the other music playing here is drowning it out a bit.
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Nah, they're Yes songs!! Hence the title (no comma)...

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...what Rick Wakeman might be doing in about 10 years at a little piano bar in Tampa...

Funny you should say something like this... I just rediscovered Terry Reid on CD a few weeks ago. I was too lazy to pull out the vinyl. Seems he's not to far from that as a solo lounge act in the US.
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If that's too obscure, YFE was originally conceived as the followup to the hugely popular Sabbath Fun Explosion......

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If that's too obscure, YFE was originally conceived as the followup to the hugely popular Sabbath Fun Explosion...

I didn't hang out in video arcades that much, so I didn't realize the popularity of it

Hmm - upon re-reading that, I am not sure that conveys what I meant - DeeAnn and I thought it sounded just a bit like video game music...
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Nah, they're Yes songs!! Hence the title (no comma)...

I doubt I could have nailed it anyway, then. I've heard all of them through the early 80's, but there is no way I know them *that* well! That's funny. I thought my half-assed guess should be on topic, though - heh.
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So how do the Doors, Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon and Punk fit together???

So if I follow your logic, Iggy has a hard on for Jim Morrison, Morrison is in the Doors, Iggy is the Godfather of Punk so Jim Morrison and the Doors have influenced Punk Rock.

I just know Kevin Bacon has to be in there some where which means the Bacon Brothers Band has also influenced Punk!

I suppose you can be as silly as you want with it, but the fact of the matter is that Iggy started the Stooges and became a front man as a direct result of seeing Morrison and the Doors. Its well known that the Stooges were one of the "Godfathers of punk" as referred to earlier in this thread. Two thirds of this thread has been about musical influences of punk. I'm sorry this has upset your preconcieved stereotype of the Doors, but the facts are the facts.
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At their height a much better band than the Beatles IMO. But so were any number of American bands of the time-----Bobby Fuller Four, Music Machine, Sound Explosion, Love, The Seeds, The Frantics, The Beach Boys, The Mob, Booker T and the MGs (house band at Stax), The Barbarians (who remembers Moulty?) and best of all, the hardest driving band of the 60s, The Human Beingz.


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I suppose you can be as silly as you want with it, but the fact of the matter is that Iggy started the Stooges and became a front man as a direct result of seeing Morrison and the Doors.

Wait - I was kind of agreeing with you on this point - but where are you getting that he became a front man as a direct result of seeing Morrison? I don't know this is accurate. Where is this coming from? At least part of his stage presence had something to do with Morrison - as is fairly well documented. But I don't know where "direct result" comes from. It seems extremely likely he would have anyway, given his history.
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OK, since we've been talking prog I have to lay this on you. It's my attempt, made with LOVE to peek into the future at what Rick Wakeman might be doing in about 10 years at a little piano bar in Tampa with his mighty Baldwin Fun machine and tip jar, called Yes Fun Explosion!!. Guess the songs!!

Somehow I doubt it. Ironic that you would bring that up, however, because I would bet that a significant amount of those band members named in the recent "these bands were better than the Beatles" post, with the obvious exception of Booker and the Beach Boys, are scuffling around playing in Holiday Inn lounges or local casinos on a Friday night and wondering what happened to the punk revolution.....
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Somehow I doubt it. Ironic that you would bring that up, however, because I would bet that a significant amount of those band members named in the recent "these bands were better than the Beatles" post, with the obvious exception of Booker and the Beach Boys, are scuffling around playing in Holiday Inn lounges or local casinos on a Friday night and wondering what happened to their punk revolution.....

Just because they didn't (and surviving members can't) make as much money as The Beatles, doesn't necessarily mean that they might have been better than The Beatles. And I am not saying that I think they were or weren't (I don't know enough about most listed there to give a fair opinion). They might just have been less marketable (with the exceptions you mentioned) - and that is what making a rich living at music has often been about (historically). Not sure where this "punk revolution" part comes into this either based on the band list or the post referred to, either... And as already stated, I am (overall) not a huge fan of the majority of The Beatles stuff - not by a long shot - but still...
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When is that crap story ever gonna die? Sheeeez! It's been said a million times that it NEVER happened. And, no, he wasn't a hippie. Too straight AND too funny for that. by the way - if I want real Mexican food, the LAST place I'm gonna go is Taco Smell.

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Um, I was referring to a poster of Frank sitting on a toilet with his pants down. Not to the crap story. The poster existed-I owned one. You read what you wanted to read, not what was actually there, but no big deal. I only mentioned it as my lame attempt at humor: see, I was trying to work in Zappa song titles and it seemed a perfect segue to YPWWIH.. it was an attempt at humor. And the mexican thing had nothing to do with taco bell. See, I was trying...oh, never mind.

Just my silly effort to get everyone to lighten up a little. Though I really didn't know if Frank was in. btw, nice link gecko-very good summary of FZ I thought.

Now, some one mentioned blue cheer...BLUE CHEER!!! When I was growing up NOBODY liked BC...well, except me. If being a punk means I get to hold my head high and shout I LOVE BLUE CHEER!!!!!!!!...I'm there dude.
JUst one thing=were talking the real BC, right? Pre new and improved?

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Sorry - my mistake. Yes, I do remember that poster now. It was classic. (And that Taco Bell thing was just MY lame attempt to lighten things up - didn't mean it seriously, if you noticed the wink.)
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I suppose you can be as silly as you want with it, but the fact of the matter is that Iggy started the Stooges and became a front man as a direct result of seeing Morrison and the Doors. Its well known that the Stooges were one of the "Godfathers of punk" as referred to earlier in this thread. Two thirds of this thread has been about musical influences of punk. I'm sorry this has upset your preconcieved stereotype of the Doors, but the facts are the facts.

Not being silly, just pointing out that your logic might be a bit flawed. Maybe you've watched the movie, The Fan, too may times.

Maybe I was too obtuse in one of my earlier posts. If you Mapquest Hell, Michigan you will see it's quite close to Ann Arbor, Michigan. I live between the two, and this part Michigan has been my home off and on for over 50 years.

Iggys, aka Jim Osterberg, parents were teachers in the school systems in Ann Arbor/Ypsilanti area. They lived in a trailer park in Ypsilanti. Jim played drums and was part of a cover band called the Iguanas in high school. He was playing drums in a band called the Prime Movers just a few weeks before the debut of the Stooges at the U of M ballroom. The Prime Movers were a Blues Band.

At this point in time, southeast Michigan was an extremely hot Rock n' Roll spot on the globe. Bob Seager, MC5, Ted Nugent and the Amboy Dukes, Cub Coda who would form Brownsville Station etc. and many, many more lived in a five mile radius in Ann Arbor, not to mention Motown Studios was only 40 miles away. Any given week end you could see Hendrix, Cream, Procol Harum etc. at one of the area clubs for $2-$5. The Who even played a local high school homecoming dance here.

The Stooges were just another one of the local garage bands. If you wanted to get a gig, you really had to do more than play covers and boy did the Stooges do that. Many times to the point of alienating club owners as a result of Iggy exposing himself or worse. Oh, and by the way Alice Cooper, another local boy, was doing his drag queen act in town about this same time.

Iggy may have enjoyed the Doors, but I don't think he was as obsessed about it as you are. I never saw any influence of the Doors music in any of his stuff. It wasen't like you went to see the Stooges do Jim Morrison and the Doors. If anything it was Chuck Berry/Little Richard three chord, two verse, high energy, Rock n' Roll. I mean really, don't you think the Doors stuff is a little too laid back and cerebral compared to Iggy? And I am not speaking form informed sources; internet, documentary or other wise. I am speaking from facts that I often was a participant in.

Iggy lives in Florida now and he still puts 210% + energy into his performances. I wish him and all the other Godfathers well.
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Not to mention The Frost and Frijid Pink.

I always thought of The Stooges as early Metal and with little to do with punk. People always talk about Iggy but little talk about the guitarist in the band, what, Scott Williamson?
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There you go Tom. Ron Asheton - Guitar his brother Scott - Drums

To add to your list Tom, Sky who would become The Knack, Frost - Dick Wagner, The Quatro's kids Suzi and Mike (aka Aunt and Uncle of Sherilyn Fenn) - Suzi and the Pleasure Seekers - Leather Tuscadero. Commander Cody& His Lost Planet Airmen , Terry Knight & the Pack (aka Grand Funk Railroad), Parliament - Funkadelic , Mushrooms (aka Glenn Frey), ? and the Mysterians, The Sunliners (aka Rare Earth), Cactus (Carmine Appice & Tim Bogert), Savage Grace, SRC (Peter Gabriel quotes as an influence), Teegarden & Van Winkle ....

Well the list gos on and on and we haven't talked about Blues/Jazz/or Motown.

By 1976 Ron Asheton (Stooges) and Michael Davis (MC5) had become part of Destroy All Monsters.
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Prime Movers around 1965 - 1967. Iggy is second from the left.




Young Iggy as a front man on the tambourine
Who knows maybe Morrison was influenced by Iggy?




Iggy on drums with the Prime Movers. Notice he's a south paw.
Edit: Oh, and you see the Farfisa there too!
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Well, now that we're talking about FZ and who's better than The Beatles, what about The Shaggs?
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b curry - those are some damn great pictures!

"And I am not speaking form informed sources; internet, documentary or other wise. I am speaking from facts that I often was a participant in."

Well put! I had been trying to convey this previously, but I don't think very well. I have a slew of names I could drop - though most not directly (or obviously) from the first wave, but still from pretty early on - which doesn't mean the folks I could name drop didn't know what was going on with that first wave, nor with what they themselves were doing. I have been reserving that
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thanks lurch - I know what you mean and I really don't like to show a hole card. You know, at the end of the day it's still just a pissin' contest. But sometimes, honest to god...
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