Originally Posted by squonk
Hey, no problem. I fully understand that groups such as Yes can be very demanding at times,.
Yep, you do have to work at liking them. OK, maybe you didn't mean it that way
and it certainly is not something everyone can handle. Its not meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and I like art sometimes to stretch and reach and push boundaries
Heh. You make me laugh.
Oh, and punk didn't (at least originally) push boundaries, but Yes did/does? Ok.
What I have never really understood is why someone like me, who loves a lot of different genres of music, can like, understand and appreciate the back to basics approach of groups such as the Ramones, but also love groups like Yes, Renaissance, King Crimson and Genesis. Yet I have very rarely, if ever, encountered a true blue punk rocker who could also acknowledge, like and appreciate progressive rock. It never fails--I always end up debating this stuff with someone who absolutely disdains and abhors progressive rock like Yes, and usually the first word out of their mouth is pretentious.
Well, that might be telling you something. But seriously, that was a nice debate move there (really). I guess my reply would be that it's good of you to slum with us sometimes. Sorry not everyone likes what you do. Now if you were to come back and tell me that bands like The Germs and others sucked, I'd pretty much have to agree with you. But I like 'em - and frankly, that's partly why I do. But I guess you're a much better person than I am. I don't actually have a problem with you thinking that (if you do, as you seem to convey here), either.
I am fascinated that it doesn't ever seem to work both ways. I think part of the problem is that it admittedly takes much more patience to stay with something like Close to the Edge vs a two and half minute 3 chord punk song.
Or it could just be that some people don't like Yes (and similar bands) and that just seems to annoy you? And yeah, I don't typically have a lot of patience with really long songs, but at the same time, can you sit through Flipper's Sex Bomb (it's pretty dang long - and feels even longer than it actually is) and *actually* enjoy it so much that ya just wanna play it again?
With regard to the Who, if you had ever seen them live I think you'd probably reassess your opinion. There was simply no better live band in their formative and prime years.
Hmm. Not sure you read everything I wrote. I did mention that I have seen early live footage of them, and it was pretty darn good. I thought we were talking about recordings, and to that end, I stand by my statement that I think the My Generation import is the only thing worth listening to. Particularly *since* I have seen what they were apparently capable of. However, yes, I do think it probably would have been pretty good to actually see them early on based on the footage I have seen. Especially when they were playing smaller venues. However, I am only 40 years old.
And I think if you're honest, you would have to admit that there were a whole lot of punk rockers in the 70's and 80's who weened themselves on Who albums growing up. I know Paul Weller for instance most definitely was.
Well that's great for them. I guess I miscommunicated - I was speaking for myself, not for all punks of all times. That would be pretty pretentious of me to do - heh.
--Proud member of the lowest common denominator.