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I would expect an overwhelmingly focused effort to find a solution to repopulate the earth, while at the same time controling the inevitable chaos that would permeate what is left of civilization.

You are remarkably naive.

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While you're at it, don't forget to watch The Big Lebowski. She sure can pick some roles that are "out there".
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^Just checked at your homepage.
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You are remarkably naive.

How so?

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I think you may be overestimating your fellow humans.
We have a long history of Cannibalism (in the widest sense of the word).

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The Rotten Tomatoes forum members claim throughout the country it's in 16 theaters.

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How so?

Josh would prefer to think that this is an elegant plot with deep meaning, rather than something remotely believable.

Why would regular infantry pack that alley with so many troops that a single grenade could take out 50?
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Josh would prefer to think that this is an elegant plot with deep meaning, rather than something remotely believable.

Why would regular infantry pack that alley with so many troops that a single grenade could take out 50?

OK, John, tell us how a grenade can kill 50...

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OK, John, tell us how a grenade can kill 50...

John's been watching too many John Woo movies.

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How so?

I don't intend to turn this into a debate about real-world politics, but I suggest that you try watching the evening news sometime and then ask yourself why the world still has war, genocide, terrorism, and other assorted horrors when, by your reasoning, it should be simple for all the leaders of the world to get together in a room, hold hands, and sing "Kumbaya" to resolve their differences.

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OK, John, tell us how a grenade can kill 50...

I said "take out", which includes all casaulties.

Ok so ... 25
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Ok so ... 25

Hopefully, those 25 are roasting marshmallows around a campfire singing, Kumbaya. Otherwise...

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I said "take out", which includes all casaulties.

Ok so ... 25

Only if 25 were looped together and a grenade was dropped in the center...and even that would be a stretch (but who knows what John Woo could come up with in a pinch ).

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Clearly you guys are misunderstanding. We're talking about the future here, where...obviously...they have nuclear hand grenades.
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Nucler grenades?!
Oh, in that case....

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Well with modern RPGs munititions the question more becomes, "would you like your 25 fried or diced?"
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Would someone please clear something up for me? Is that ship Tomorrow to take her to the Human Project which is located on some land? If so, why doesn't everyone go there instead of England? Are we to assume that England no longer has satellites to see where this Human Project is located?

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I'd say that The (movie) Human Project is more like a form of The (real) Human Genome Project, where they would entertain cases that had possibilities for the future of mankind, and is more of a facility, as opposed to a chunk of land, and hence, could not support a mass influx of people.
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I don't intend to turn this into a debate about real-world politics, but I suggest that you try watching the evening news sometime and then ask yourself why the world still has war, genocide, terrorism, and other assorted horrors when, by your reasoning, it should be simple for all the leaders of the world to get together in a room, hold hands, and sing "Kumbaya" to resolve their differences.

Your arguments would be more effective if you actually addressed what I said, rather than put words in my mouth, yet again.

There are many instances where different people and countries have come together despite political differences. The Iranian earthquake of 2003 and the Tsunami of 2004 come to mind.

Closer to the theme of the movie, the world has banded together in the past to combat polio, AIDS, SARS, etc. More recently, there have been focused efforts to eradicate the Avian Flu.

Now, imagine that what we saw in the movie was real, and there were no more children. Such an event would surpass the scope and impact of any disease the world has ever seen. It's not a stretch to see people working together to find a solution, knowing that there is a definite clock ticking away the time of humanity.

Does that mean that the world suddenly turns peaceful? No, of course not. In my reply I stated that the other focus would be to control the inevitable chaos that would result. Faced with the end of human life, there would be elements of society and the world that would totally disregard all laws - most likely turning violent. This would have to be controlled.

Neither of these conditions would exclude the other. Nor would it preclude other difficulties or conflicts from arising.

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Does that mean that the world suddenly turns peaceful? No, of course not. In my reply I stated that the other focus would be to control the inevitable chaos that would result. Faced with the end of human life, there would be elements of society and the world that would totally disregard all laws - most likely turning violent. This would have to be controlled.

And how is this not what the movie depicts the British government trying to do (or thinking they are)? What did you think the point was of their immigration crackdown and marshall law?

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Would someone please clear something up for me?
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Is that ship Tomorrow to take her to the Human Project which is located on some land? If so, why doesn't everyone go there instead of England? Are we to assume that England no longer has satellites to see where this Human Project is located?

We don't know.

My own take is that
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the Human Project is a secret government group, masquerading as a covert, underground operation. It was put in place for two reasons. The first is to offer hope to the "enlightened" ones left in society. The second is get their hands on any babies/pregnant women that may suddenly appear, as an outlet for people that don't trust the government.

Another option is that is a secret project located in the South Seas, set up by The Hanso Foundation in support of the DHARMA Initiative.

Or, it could actually be a group of time-travelling space aliens, that are secretly repopulating their own world with genetic hybrids. There was something odd looking about Kee's baby, don't you think? (I threw this one in solely for RobertWood's benefit, in case he's reading this)
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And how is this not what the movie depicts the British government trying to do (or thinking they are)? What did you think the point was of their immigration crackdown and marshall law?

What are we arguing about?

I was asked what motivation would be left in the world, and I answered. You called my response naive, and I responded.

I never said the movie didn't depict an attempt to control the broken elements of society.

I didn't see anything in the movie that showed any ongoing attempt at a solution to the sterility pandemic. However, that doesn't mean that they weren't working on a cure, just that we didn't see it.

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with me about.

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Again, this is where I have a BIG problem with the film. Even if cloning cost a fortune (which it doesn't...not even close) and only the wealthiest of the wealthy could afford it, it's astoundingly inane to think that there would be nobody working to find a way to "make" babies, either in utero, or most likely in the case of the movie, in vitro.

Granted, such cloning procedures would only last so many generations, but given the fact that the supposed "outbreak" only affected newborns or a fetus inside the womb, one should logically conclude that an human organism developed from the DNA of healthy sperm in vitro would turn out perfectly healthy if provided a sterile environment.

Even if there were no organizations out there inspired with the "noble cause" of saving mankind from extinction, I can 100% guarantee that there would be a multitude of groups more than interested in making a bucketload of cash, either through government grants or private funding from rich folks seeking to pass on their legacy.

The whole "bleak outlook" painted by CoM is beyond absurd given the nature of the proposed parameters of the disease.
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I'd say that The (movie) Human Project is more like a form of The (real) Human Genome Project, where they would entertain cases that had possibilities for the future of mankind, and is more of a facility, as opposed to a chunk of land, and hence, could not support a mass influx of people.

Thanks for cleaing that up.
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Again, this is where I have a BIG problem with the film. Even if cloning cost a fortune (which it doesn't...not even close) and only the wealthiest of the wealthy could afford it, it's astoundingly inane to think that there would be nobody working to find a way to "make" babies, either in utero, or most likely in the case of the movie, in vitro.

Granted, such cloning procedures would only last so many generations, but given the fact that the supposed "outbreak" only affected newborns or a fetus inside the womb, one should logically conclude that an human organism developed from the DNA of healthy sperm in vitro would turn out perfectly healthy if provided a sterile environment.

Even if there were no organizations out there inspired with the "noble cause" of saving mankind from extinction, I can 100% guarantee that there would be a multitude of groups more than interested in making a bucketload of cash, either through government grants or private funding from rich folks seeking to pass on their legacy.

The whole "bleak outlook" painted by CoM is beyond absurd given the nature of the proposed parameters of the disease.

What is with you people so intently focused on the mundane logistics of the plot? It is a VEHICLE for ideological and political commentaries.

Goodness, would you read slaughterhouse 5 and think goodness, this is just a terrible novel because it's so unrealistic what with time travel and the like?

Are you going to read the Bible or the Koran or whatnot and go, well, pffft, that's not realistic at all so it's not worth my time?

It sounds like we have a bunch of narcissitic acountants or something watching these movies and providing commentary about whether the math works out right. WHO CARES!? It's a MOVIE. Picasso must be equally worthless because his paintings aren't realistic at all. The David is way way too big. Completely unreasonable.
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I have no issue with movies that have plot holes large enough to swallow whole planets, so long as they don't take themselves too seriously (along with their fans)...HOWEVER, in the case of CoM, we're not presented with a thrilling and harmless sci-fi romp that cares less about logistics than simple entertainment.

FWIW, I don't read fiction, so none of your text examples mean much to me. Comparing something as simplistic and absurd as CoM to Picasso's works or to The David is beyond "unreasonable", it's a flat-out insult to reason itself.
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I have no issue with movies that have plot holes large enough to swallow whole planets, so long as they don't take themselves too seriously (along with their fans)...HOWEVER, in the case of CoM, we're not presented with a thrilling and harmless sci-fi romp that cares less about logistics than simple entertainment.

Your dichotomy is ridiculous. I never implied that logistics and entertainment were opposed to each other.

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FWIW, I don't read fiction, so none of your text examples mean much to me. Comparing something as simplistic and absurd as CoM to Picasso's works or to The David is beyond "unreasonable", it's a flat-out insult to reason itself.

CoM was simplistic and absurd?

Obviously you're right, you don't read much...
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I did clearly say "fiction", but since we're obviously changing meaning to whatever we want now:

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...CoM was simplistic and absurd...Obviously you're right...

I'm glad you agree. Please enjoy the knowledge those fictional comic books give you. I'll just stay dumb as a box of rocks, what with reading multitudes of non-fictional books on cellular proliferation and genetic engineering.
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The only memorable part of this move is the sound track, Michael Kane's performance (which probably wasn't really necessary in the context of the story), and maybe the cameo by the Pink Floyd Pig. The rest was disjointed, superfluous, apocalyptic blather.
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