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post #181 of 545 Old 03-28-2007, 09:19 AM
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None of the acting was great. I thought it felt forced throughout, kind of like "Crash", but not as bad. Some of the mob scenes looked so choreographed, like where
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It was a 12-minute scene with no cuts, single take. Seeing it in the theater was awesome and intense. I got the HD-DVD and can't wait to watch the movie again.



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Between the anti-globilization message, and the anti-nazi message, and the anti-war message, and the anti-zenophobia message, and the environmental message (all viewpoints I happen to agree with), the story just gets smothered with WAY TO MUCH symbolism. Is there one scene in this movie without a freaking societal message?

That's not symbolism...
Symbolism is something acting as a symbol representing something else.


I look forward to watching the extras on the HD-DVD. I watched some of the behind-the-scenes stuff, like how they filmed that 12-minute take in the car. The commentaries look pretty cool too, as far as seeing what the message behind the film was and what the director wanted to convey - watched a little bit of these.
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It was a 12-minute scene with no cuts, single take. Seeing it in the theater was awesome and intense. I got the HD-DVD and can't wait to watch the movie again.

I noticed at least 3 very long shots.
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They said that the director wanted the shots and the movie to feel like "you" were there filming this with a video camera, hence the long shots with no cuts or angle changes.
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They said that the director wanted the shots and the movie to feel like "you" were there filming this with a video camera, hence the long shots with no cuts or angle changes.

this was very evident near the end of the film..with lots of over Clive's shoulder shots...debris/blood hitting the camera lens and staying there...many awkward angles etc...very well done. Loved this movie as did my wife.
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Exactly. For all the good aspects of this movie, the overriding thought I had once it was over: What happened to optimism in movies? Perhaps optimism doesn't translate as well as a theme for movies, but it seems lately that, for the most part, everyone equates realism/artistic/etc. with depressing.

Hollywood movies aren't meant as video prozac.
Art has never been about that.
Hollywood movies have always been a reflection of the times they were made in.

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Hollywood movies have always been a reflection of the times they were made in.

No, it's someone's POV of it. This movie clearly suggests that what could happen IF we did something that led to this.

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Is the movie clear at all that humans did something to cause their own infertility? I thought it was just happening, and nobody had any idea why.

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No, it's someone's POV of it.

Yes, a reflection of someone's POV of the times we live in.
POVs are not constructed in a vacuum, are they?

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Yes, a reflection of someone's POV of the times we live in.
POVs are not constructed in a vacuum, are they?

Science fiction has always been about finding trends or new discoveries and then projecting them far into the future. They also tend to project certain attitudes into the future from the optimism of the 50's in much of Heinlien's, Asimov's, Bradbury etc or the darker and grimmer worlds of later writers like Gibson, Phillip K Dick etc.

Even depopulation is a concept being pushed by the top of the world elite. From U.N. programs to the highest level think tanks to the world controlling banking cartels of Rockefeller and Rothchilds. Top think tank gurus are making wild assertions that as many as 90% of the worlds population needs to be "reduced" for a "sustainable" world. These high level guys are suggesting mass extinctions hundreds of times higher than Hitler, Mao, and Stalin were able to achieve together.

The way many elite intellectuals talk about billions of humans lives in mundane sounding metaphors like "pruning the tree" or "thinning the herd" these days is beyond ghastly. As Oink says, these trends aren't created in vacuums.
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Science fiction has always been about finding trends or new discoveries and then projecting them far into the future. They also tend to project certain attitudes into the future from the optimism of the 50's in much of Heinlien's, Asimov's, Bradbury etc or the darker and grimmer worlds of later writers like Gibson, Phillip K Dick etc.

Even depopulation is a concept being pushed by the top of the world elite. From U.N. programs to the highest level think tanks to the world controlling banking cartels of Rockefeller and Rothchilds. Top think tank gurus are making wild assertions that as many as 90% of the worlds population needs to be "reduced" for a "sustainable" world. These high level guys are suggesting mass extinctions hundreds of times higher than Hitler, Mao, and Stalin were able to achieve together.

The way many elite intellectuals talk about billions of humans lives in mundane sounding metaphors like "pruning the tree" or "thinning the herd" these days is beyond ghastly. As Oink says, these trends aren't created in vacuums.

Well, they're dealing with an abstraction, aren't they? Doctors often speak dispassionately about a patients' critical or terminal condition, because an empathetic, emotional response may actually be counterproductive. I'm not so certain that people who have a fairly comprehensive understanding of some of the grim realities currently facing us, are materially different. Advocating depopulation is one thing. Facing the fact that its' likely to occur ( at various scales in different environments ) is another.

A great many of the conditions which will allow disease vectors, natural disasters, and the unintended consequences of environmental intervention to kill vast numbers of humans, are of our own making. As a single, ( oversimplified ) example, consider the recent Indian Ocean Tsunami. Why have we humans traditionally congregated our settlements around river mouths? Trade and navigation. Or: do ya really think there would be so many multi-million dollar private estates lining every available foot of beach front in Florida, if it weren't for insurance.....and air-conditioning? In many cases, these problems are a convoluted knot, made up of a bewildering array of factors which only appear to be completely unrelated to one other. Planning, preparing, and formulating predictions will require cool heads, and perhaps, cold calculation, on an ever warming globe.
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Nice post RTO.
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Let's get back to the movie. Thanks.

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Yes, a reflection of someone's POV of the times we live in.
POVs are not constructed in a vacuum, are they?

No but it's not universaly shared now is it? There is always an "opposing" view to anything, so the "time we live in" can be "vauge" at best.

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Between the anti-globilization message, and the anti-nazi message, and the anti-war message, and the anti-zenophobia message, and the environmental message (all viewpoints I happen to agree with), the story just gets smothered with WAY TO MUCH symbolism. Is there one scene in this movie without a freaking societal message?

That's interesting. Most people i've spoken with who didn't like the movie felt that it was too vague and generic and lacking substance. I try to tell them that the substance and messages are understated and in the surrounding set dressing and inbetween the dialogue. That's what i enjoyed the most about the movie, is that you can watch it several times and notice little things that further fill out the backstory.

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Is the movie clear at all that humans did something to cause their own infertility? I thought it was just happening, and nobody had any idea why.

no need to use spoiler tags, that info is in the description of the movie and the trailer/reviews/etc. Anyways, the movie makes a point to show that nobody knows, but in certain pieces of dialogue the writer is trying to tell us that the cause is not important. What is important is that the way we treat each other and our environments (war, pollution, whatever) is detrimental to us and our planet. The problem is slow and gradual, and by the time a tangibal effect on our lives results, it's already too late.

At least that's how i interpret it. There's a line that Michael Cain says when explaining it that is roughtly: "Could be pollution, pesticides, who knows?"
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Come on, Josh, you're nit picking. There may not have been another movie with the exact same plot but the general premise (gloom and doom, end of man, etc) is nothing new. You may not have liked LMS as much and the acting wasn't award winning for all involved but the story, acting, and production as a unit was better (IMO of course) than CoM. I liked CoM, but more for the visual presense and realism than anything else. Take Michael Caine and his "trooper/guard" friend out of the movie and it's almost boring.

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Pashaw ! LMS was nice, but it's basically a lighter version of The Royal Tennebaums that's trying to pay lip service to the audience and thunk them over the head with it's message. CoM was interesting because of the reason it was a post-apocalyptic setting. The entire world becomes infertile, what would happen? I've never heard of that premise before in a film. The fact that it doesn't have characters pontificating on the meaning of the film doesn't mean that it's empty. However, if you just didn't like the story that's different.
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My take was the entire movie was as disappointing as the beginning.
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When the entire world was grieving over the brat that got killed. Big deal he was a few months younger than the next on the list.

It follows the same ill-conceived premise until the end when everyone acts like the baby is someone to bend down to and worship.

Since the premise didn't feel genuine all that was left was the typical everyone dies along the way based on when his or her importance to the story is over. Which didn't even pass since it was far too unauthentic without the story's rules ever attempting to validate the unbelievable.
Ultimately I never really cared about what happened to any of the characters with the possible exception of Michael Caine's and as such it didn't succeed.
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I finally got aroudn to seeing this film, and it was incredibly fantastic. I don't know what these naysayers are thinking. How this didn't win every award last year is beyond me.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's interesting. Most people i've spoken with who didn't like the movie felt that it was too vague and generic and lacking substance. I try to tell them that the substance and messages are understated and in the surrounding set dressing and inbetween the dialogue. That's what i enjoyed the most about the movie, is that you can watch it several times and notice little things that further fill out the backstory.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<











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Ultimately I never really cared about what happened to any of the characters with the possible exception of Michael Caine's and as such it didn't succeed.

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The plot was just cobbled together, for example
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I never understood why the bad guys were going to save the new baby, but kill the mom?. The mom may be the only fertile woman on earth (?!)


Also, I saw another movie just like this one, probably 2 weeks ago.
Can someone refresh my memory? It was a recent flick.

Plot: An english guy wakes up in a hospital in London, and mutant virus or something has more or less destroyed the human race ... and he has to journey to a mysterious safe camp with a black girl ... and theres the marauding bands of people they need to avoid ... and the "good" people in the safe camp turn out to be evil and want the black girl ... and so they engineer an escape ...

....what was the name of that movie? Its so similar to this one...
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^^^^ 28 Days. Hey, there were "zombies" in it. It can't be bad. One thing I forgot to mention before about COM - can't remember the last time I heard King Crimson in a movie soundtrack. Nice touch, the song fit quite well.

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I need to stop reading this forum. It really makes me want to reach through my computer screen and strangle people.

There is a far easier cure than that. Simply accept that your opinions aren't facts. I can read all kinds of wonderful praise for the movie and it doesn't bother me one bit.
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^^^^ 28 Days. Hey, there were "zombies" in it. It can't be bad. One thing I forgot to mention before about COM - can't remember the last time I heard King Crimson in a movie soundtrack. Nice touch, the song fit quite well.

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OK fine, we can't talk about the plot's relevance but we can talk about the soundtrack? Fine (jk)!

Yeah, I can't think of a more evocative use of a popular song in a film almost ever. It set a very weird vibe to the scene that not only transformed the scene, but made me hear the song in a way I never have before. I found myself cutting back to that scene several times just to soak up its weird gestalt.
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^^^^ 28 Days. Hey, there were "zombies" in it. It can't be bad. One thing I forgot to mention before about COM - can't remember the last time I heard King Crimson in a movie soundtrack. Nice touch, the song fit quite well.

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There is a far easier cure than that. Simply accept that your opinions aren't facts. I can read all kinds of wonderful praise for the movie and it doesn't bother me one bit.

I second that, although I happened to like this one.

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I second that, although I happened to like this one.

I wouldn't say I disliked the movie. I just never got carried away which is required for me to really enjoy a flick. I call it the time machine effect. Once it's over if I felt like I traveled to the movie's place and time it was enjoyable.
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Yeah, I can't think of a more evocative use of a popular song in a film almost ever. It set a very weird vibe to the scene that not only transformed the scene, but made me hear the song in a way I never have before. I found myself cutting back to that scene several times just to soak up its weird gestalt.

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Sorry, I'm too young to know King Crimson well enough to recognize the song in a movie. What song was it and what part of the movie is it?
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