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post #181 of 476 Old 03-12-2007, 12:24 PM
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The bottom, or right next to Troy.

Not even close to troy..... troy was god awful.... but then again you are intitled to your opinion.

I loved 300...... loved it...

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Saw it over the weekend. I'll give it 8 out of 10. Entertaining but some scenes were clearly influenced by Gladiator (the yodeling singer in the music score, the wheat fields, etc.)

Still, a fun way to burn $10

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I see this is "snobism" all over the place. If you have a specific inaccuracy on that page you can point it out and even contribute to change it,but to dismiss it flat out with no explanation on your part is do no good for anyone.

Fine, by all means make wiki your reference standard. Tell your kids to use it for all their term papers. It's just so flawless.

OK, so why *again* do we need a bigger one?
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If anyone has something better, please put it up.
If not, don't troll.

Here's an idea, why don't you click this so you know what a troll is.

OK, so why *again* do we need a bigger one?
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So, anyway, I saw it and liked it a lot. It was corny in some ways and not exactly historically accurate (knew that going in) but it was good cinema from a director who clearly shows promise. The crowd ate it up.

Wife didn't like it.

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300:
Saw it Sunday, absolutely loved it. The stylized cinematography gave more of a feeling that you were reading a novel rather than watching a movie. The larger than life, genetically perfect, uber badass Spartans were portrayed exactly as we all would imagine them to have been. I must admit, every time I see a piece of artwork like this, I give thanks that I am able to appreciate it for what it is.
But then again, some might say I'm too easily entertained.
BraveHeart - loved it.
Troy - loved it.
Gladiator - double loved it.

None of them are precisely historically accurate, but damn, they are entertaining,

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Here's an idea, why don't you click this so you know what a troll is.

I guess english is a 2nd language for ya....lemme try again:
If the Wiki version of Thermopylae is largely incorrect, demonstrate it to us.
Otherwise...

BTW, we are discussing the movie 300, not conducting a referendum on Wiki.

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My wife and I saw this over the weekend at our local 2K DLP digital theater. All I can say is "WOW".

This was quite a visually stunning movie. It's not quite like anything you've ever seen before. And as much as I liked this movie (which was a lot), my wife liked it even more. She was totally engrossed by the cinematography (she's a photographer, so go figure).

All I can say is, if you are looking for an accurate documentary about the story of the 300 Spartans agains the armies of Persia, move along. This ain't it, nor was it ever meant to be.

However, if you want to see a highly modern, extremely stylized interpretation of an historical event, then this is for you. This truly is a live action graphic novel. The story is told almost exclusively through the use of it's stunning visuals, and it is done very well.

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IMHO 300, Gladiator, and Braveheart shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Troy. Troy isn't even close to these movies.

i know, i just put troy in there for range. i was going to put king arthur but not too people have seen it. but im guessing here king arthur does belong with 300, braveheart & gladiator. although i liked king arthur much more than troy which was pretty bad.
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It is a positive thing people like these types of movies....I hope hollywood wakes up ans starts producing more Greek epics like Jason & the Argonauts,The Illiad, Hercules , The Olympic Gods.... and so on.

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"version of this incident related by the few Greek survivors of the battle who were subsequently enslaved by the Persians"

Well for one thing there were thousands of Greeks who survived the battle and were not captured by the Persians.

And for another thing Herodotus doubtlessly talked to Persians who had been there; he was from Asia Minor, knew many Persians and was widely travelled.
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I guess english is a 2nd language for ya....lemme try again:
If the Wiki version of Thermopylae is largely incorrect, demonstrate it to us.
Otherwise...

BTW, we are discussing the movie 300, not conducting a referendum on Wiki.

Hey, it wasn't me who started making derogatory statements. All I said is I don't like wiki as reference material. Are you a contributing editor or something? Is it also OK I don't like certain movies you like. How about speakers, maybe we can throw in music types like Jazz. Sheesh.

OK, so why *again* do we need a bigger one?
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I hope hollywood wakes up ans starts producing more Greek epics like Jason & the Argonauts,The Illiad, Hercules , The Olympic Gods.... and so on.

me too, but have no idea how you can put the Iliad there and not the Odyssey, though since you did mention Hercules, I don't mind taking some liberties and (like in this case) mythologizing history (what is more Greek then that), but I was disappointed with Disney's Hercules. Bastardizing a story for PC is something I can't stand
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I know a great deal about the subject and I think the wiki article on Thermopylae is pretty good.

I find that most wiki articles on things that I know about are pretty accurate, this leads me to think that those articles on things I don't know about are fairly accurate as well. Wiki is a good place to start learning about something.
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Wiki..is pretty good... they got a bump rap when people started (albanians,serbs and Bulgarians) editing out some of it..in an ongoing internet war.. since then Wiki stragihtened things up..and the stuff is pretty realiable....



Homer's Illiad includes The Odyssey.

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I know a great deal about the subject and I think the wiki article on Thermopylae is pretty good.

I find that most wiki articles on things that I know about are pretty accurate, this leads me to think that those articles on things I don't know about are fairly accurate as well. Wiki is a good place to start learning about something.


Wiki isn't infallible (then again, neither is Herodotus ).
My point is that the story that has come down to us thru the ages is basically what Wiki has posted.
None of us were at Thermopylae 2,500 years ago to verify it.
Undoubtedly, the reality was somewhat different than our traditional account.
Nevertheless, I believe there is a general agreement of the broad outline of the battle by academics.

Has there been any modern archaeology conducted at the site?
I don't recall any (and I'm not sure there would be much to find).

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Not even close to troy..... troy was god awful.... but then again you are intitled to your opinion.


Thanks for clearing that up, I guess it need to be said time to time, that it is an opinion.

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Fine, by all means make wiki your reference standard. Tell your kids to use it for all their term papers. It's just so flawless.

this is what you got from reading my post, and you criticize Wiki?

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"Has there been any modern archaeology conducted at the site?"

Yes Oink. Just before the Second World War a small hillock in the pass was excavated and confirmed as the site of the Spartan last stand by the hundreds of Persian arrow heads discovered there. This also confirms that the Persians loathed to close at the end and shot the Spartans down.
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Thanx for the pics.

Reluctance to close on the Spartan position does, in an indirect way, add credence to our "traditional" account of the formidable fighting skills of the Greeks.

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The bottom, or right next to Troy.

you may have a point. right now over at rottentomatoes it's only at 62% which is closer to troy.
gladiator and braveheart were in the 80's if my memory is correct.
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this is what you got from reading my post, and you criticize Wiki?

You're too deep for me bro. Sorry I didn't have the time to go research the topic and supply something more interesting

OK, back on topic.

I'm sort of on the fence with the movie now. I for sure can't take the wife if there is gallons of blood and rolling heads. I think this is one of those that I will have to wait on the DVD. If the story is as boring as some say, the wait probably won't be that long.

OK, so why *again* do we need a bigger one?
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you may have a point. right now over at rottentomatoes it's only at 62% which is closer to troy.
gladiator and braveheart were in the 80's if my memory is correct.

In this case, I don't think those numbers mean much. The "target" audience loves the movie. The buzz about it at the gym last night was unreal. Many are seeing it more than once. It doesn't appeal to everyone, but it was never meant to.

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"The buzz about it at the gym last night was unreal. "

The movie seems quite homoerotic. Is it causing a buzz in the Gay community?
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You're too deep for me bro. Sorry I didn't have the time to go research the topic and supply something more interesting


Yeah we knew that one liners are always cheaper. indeed

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you may have a point. right now over at rottentomatoes it's only at 62% which is closer to troy.
gladiator and braveheart were in the 80's if my memory is correct.

As pointed out earlier I don't have a point but my personal opinion only, and so is everybody else.



Those rottentonatoes and IMDB rating have very little influence on me,as a matter of fact I never pay attention to them, but it's ok if others do.

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"The buzz about it at the gym last night was unreal. "

The movie seems quite homoerotic. Is it causing a buzz in the Gay community?


I'm not sure I follow you there. Only gays go to gyms to work out?
I also don't think 300 was "homoerotic" one of Leonidas's line was quite the opposite.

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I'm almost sure I won't watch the movie while in theaters. But when it comes out in HD.....watch out! I'll be all over it. BTW, for those who have seen it, any heavy bass scenes?
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you may have a point. right now over at rottentomatoes it's only at 62% which is closer to troy.
gladiator and braveheart were in the 80's if my memory is correct.

I honestly don't trust any of those review sites. Seriously. I checked out Rottentomatoes which is supposed to be more accurate than most, some of the movies that I really love are in 33% or below range and a lot of movies that I consider pure crap are in the 80% or up range. I've come to the conclusion unless it's a movie like Catwoman , that everyone's tastes vary and some movies will appeal to some people and won't appeal to others.
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you may have a point. right now over at rottentomatoes it's only at 62% which is closer to troy.
gladiator and braveheart were in the 80's if my memory is correct.

Consider the source.

Some people say it has a political agenda. http://www.alternet.org/movies/49029/

Iranians (some) dont like it. http://english.people.com.cn/200703/...12_356565.html

And I have even read accounts of the movie being racist.

People are going to complain no matter what.

Its a fun action flick that will leave you pumped. Sure its not for eveyone nor should it be at its R rating.
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