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Well for the FIRST TIME I think I reached the limits of my PB-12NSD.

The scene that is HUGE at 22hz in THE HAUNTING where she says "its cold" I could REALLY hear port noise from the HUGE amount of air that the sub was pushing........Everyone knows the CHUUUFFFFFFFING sound....


can ANYONE else with a PB-12 and The Haunting DTS chime in.....or really anyone else who has this movie and knows the scene I'm speaking of...

I'm refering to the LARGE PINK DOT ALL BY ITSELF towards the middle of the waterfall chart....

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Man we must buy all the same movies, SPR DTS, JP DTS, Haunting DTS. I was always able to get my VTF-3 MK2 to display port noise on the Haunting and WOTW, but the HO w/turbo has those hugh 4" ports and doesn't cry uncle on the Haunting or WOTW. I'm still looking for the movie that will make it bow down. Are you running flat or calibrated a few dB hot. If hot try it with a flat calibration. BTW that scene is sick and has been a bass favorite of mine for years.

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I have a VTF-3 MK2. Used to get a bit of chuffing on WotW, and The Haunting DTS was SCARY, more scary for the sub.

But with bass traps and my sub eq'd flat, with a bit of a house curve below the low 30s with a nice rise, calibrated about 3dB hot, WotW DTS is controlled and amazing at ~12 RL, as is The Haunting at ~15RL. The Haunting's bass used to be scary because the sub was out of control, it seemed like. But with the sub eq'd and the bass traps, I can hear all of the detail in the bass. No chuffing, either.
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That is the perfect demo for my ultra/2! at reference and ss at 20Hz the pressure
that is developed will move things on my desk 8ft away! and no chuffing!
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Now I need to go and rewatch that scene so that I can see/hear what chuffing actually is.
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That is the perfect demo for my ultra/2! at reference and ss at 20Hz the pressure
that is developed will move things on my desk 8ft away! and no chuffing!


Am I just expecting TOO MUCH from my PB-12NSD?


I just wonder what that "should" sound like..

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Am I just expecting TOO MUCH from my PB-12NSD?


I just wonder what that "should" sound like..

Maybe....

I've heard that scene using a PB10 and there was a bit of chuffing the closer
we got reference levels, I recall hearing port noise around -8 or so
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Maybe....

I've heard that scene using a PB10 and there was a bit of chuffing the closer
we got reference levels, I recall hearing port noise around -8 or so

Well my reciever was running at -10db and the subwoofer level was at -2db.

Gain on the SVS was about 1/3 aka the 10:30-11 o'clock position.....

(sub is in a corner too)

I'll try to get my SPL out very soon and run that scene and write down some numbers for us

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Well my reciever was running at -10db and the subwoofer level was at -2db.

Gain on the SVS was about 1/3 aka the 10:30-11 o'clock position.....

(sub is in a corner too)

I'll try to get my SPL out very soon and run that scene and write down some numbers for us

how big is your room?
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Am I just expecting TOO MUCH from my PB-12NSD?

I just wonder what that "should" sound like..

You've been buying a lot of the bass classics as of late - you really should step up and build a DIY sub, then you'll never have to wonder. Chuffing, output compression, lack of infrasonic extension - all things of the past. There's only so much a 12" driver with 325 watts and a 4" port can do.
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You've been buying a lot of the bass classics as of late - you really should step up and build a DIY sub, then you'll never have to wonder. Chuffing, output compression, lack of infrasonic extension - all things of the past. There's only so much a 12" driver with 325 watts and a 4" port can do.

So funny you posted that because I just told another member that once I get some extra cash, and some free time in the summer I might tackle a SONOTUBE project.....

I know there is only so much a 12 with 325watts and a 4"inch port can do.....I'm just trying to push it to its limit without going overboard....



My room.....12x16x8 OPEN into my dinning room which is 12x12x8. Then the Dinning room has an open doorway into my kitchen....

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So funny you posted that because I just told another member that once I get some extra cash, and some free time in the summer I might tackle a SONOTUBE project.....

I know there is only so much a 12 with 325watts and a 4"inch port can do.....I'm just trying to push it to its limit without going overboard....



My room.....12x16x8 OPEN into my dinning room which is 12x12x8. Then the Dinning room has an open doorway into my kitchen....

(I'll EVENTUALLY finish my basement and have a nice, sealed, theater area)

That's big area for that PB12 to cover.
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I know.......thats why I'm going to add a 2nd one and stack them........6db boost...

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If you could recoup ~$500 from selling it, you wouldn't need to spend anymore than an additional $300 max to build a great DIY sub. Putting another $600 towards a second identical one....ehhh
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Haunting DTS gets my 18" Velo so excited my stone house shakes so much that my wife forbids me to watch it when she is home! But when I'm alone, look out cats!!
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Lol, one whole side of the house shakes during this scene.

I have a tempest that does not chuff during this sequence at high SPL.

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I have read the Dr want to hell and back to get the sound done right.The studio and the Producers wanted to have the bass not leave the mid range.Wich is normal in movie sound but he said no.
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Thats why this DTS version is a MUST have for people who love subwoofers and their HT systems!!!

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I have this DVD, and have an SVS 20-39 PC+ cylinder-style sub. It has a 550 watt amp in it. I've watched that scene many times - my whole living room vibrates when viewing it - but I've never bottomed out my sub or heard the chuffing sound from it. -- even when playing at ref level.

I now also have the improved 12" driver from SVS as of last Sept. That driver is even more capable of producing excellent bass like this scene without falling over...

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I have this DVD, and have an SVS 20-39 PC+ cylinder-style sub. It has a 550 watt amp in it. I've watched that scene many times - my whole living room vibrates when viewing it - but I've never bottomed out my sub or heard the chuffing sound from it. -- even when playing at ref level.

I now also have the improved 12" driver from SVS as of last Sept. That driver is even more capable of producing excellent bass like this scene without falling over...


Do you have the address of the scene?

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As I recall it's either chapter 10 or 14 - not sure. DVD is not right at hand now. It's the scene where she sits up in bed and says "Coming, Mother". The house spirit pounds on the doors 3 or 4 times, and that's where the ultra-low LFE comes in. Play with caution the first time through until you see how your system can handle it.

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does anyone know where I can order or pick up a copy of this in DTS I have been trying for along time to find a copy of this film to add to my DTS library.
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Probably Ebay...

The Haunting DTS went OOP, iirc...

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They have them, got mine there....

Get them while they last.

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Ahh, The Haunting - One of the great SUB movies. Still have my DTS copy. I break it out whenever I need to Dust those hard to get to places in the room. Good for chasing away critters hidden in the walls

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I can NOT find this movie new...anywhere...now that I have a decent sub I really want a copy...help!!! I've tried ebay and some guy tried to pass off the DD version as the DTS so I sent it back...help!!!
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I can NOT find this movie new...anywhere...now that I have a decent sub I really want a copy...help!!! I've tried ebay and some guy tried to pass off the DD version as the DTS so I sent it back...help!!!

The ISBN number for the DTS version is 0783246692 (Bar code is 667068-4821-26). Do a search on Google, also Amazon.com, Amazon indicates they have some, so do a few other sites.

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does anyone know where I can order or pick up a copy of this in DTS I have been trying for along time to find a copy of this film to add to my DTS library

Yeah...my hard drive.

Terrible movie though. Good for some reference sound bytes......I wouldn't say "must own", especially now with lossless audio on the new HD formats....

In terms of LFE, size does matter!
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it's easy to bottom a sub with this movie. either people don't run it at reference level or they dont't admit they bottomed their subs

especially with large rooms. a 5x10meters room would need at least 2 Velodyne DD18 (which have powerful servodrive control systems) with movies like THE HAUNTING DTS, TITAN AE DTS (ice rocks ).

there's only one path: add subs. powerful subs, as soon as the room goes beyond 30sq meters. it also depends a lot on the room stiffness (concrete or wood), and the openings.
if one can afford: 4 Velodyne DD15 or DD18, or 4 SUNFIRE TRUE SUB EQ one at each corner 1/4 length (cancels room modes), or a full line of JBL PRO or SYNTHESIS 18" against front wall. ("infinite line of bass" cancels almost all room modes).
beyond one at each corner or one at each mid pt or a full front line (horizontal, H and V or left vertical and right vertical), it's diminishing returns and lower SPL.
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Your chasing your tail trying to get clean, accurate infrasonics at reference levels with commercial subs, but to each his own.
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