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I enjoy the classic horror films and I like "Scream" and "Cube" (found it's sequels interesting, though not as effective) and also usually like the first (and only the first) of the budget films (such as "Friday the 13th", "Nightmare On Elm Street", "Hell Raiser".) Naturally, I have "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre", "Halloween", and "Carrie".

I'm wondering if "Saw" and "The Descent" are both good films -- preferrably with a somewhat intelligent plot and decent acting to help the delivery. Good for repeat viewing is, of course, highly desirable ! (Reasonable BD picture quality and sound doesn't hurt either, but the picture doesn't have to be top drawer -- just a respectable upgrade over SD DVD.)

Any opinions?

I saw 'Hostel' on Showtime, it was one awesome movie, loved it.
The first Saw is a classic, an excellent film
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But anyway, are you only looking for horror movies in HD??? For good ghost stories...I recommend Asian Cinema like The Eye. The Eye was the only movie in the last 5 years that scared the crap out of me.

Really? I saw that back in the theaters and it felt like nothing but an Asian remake of The Sixth Sense.

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I would DEFINITELY purchase The Descent. One fantastic horror movie. Neil Marshall is an up and coming horror movie directer. I also recommend his previous offering, Dog Soldiers. But it's only in standard dvd. I been watching horror movies all my life. My parents used to take me to watch movies like Friday the 13th 3 in 3D, Nightmare on Elm Street, The Fog, etc...just because they were to cheap to get a babysitter. But it never made me crazy...not to much.

But anyway, are you only looking for horror movies in HD??? For good ghost stories...I recommend Asian Cinema like The Eye. The Eye was the only movie in the last 5 years that scared the crap out of me. These new movies like Hostile, Saw, and Hills Have Eyes are good movies but not very scary. They fall under the new catagory in Horror called Torture Porn. They just shock you with intense gore.

One movie I recommend is a lil gem called Wolf Creek. Good acting and a FANTASTIC villian.

Picked up "Dog Soldiers" a couple weeks ago from an Amazon Seller, but haven't got around to watching it yet (I've accumulated a stack of films waiting to be watched !) I got wind of it from scanning a review of "The Descent". Just took a look at a couple reviews for "Wolf Creek" and it seems pretty nasty and pretty much for the sake of nasty -- not sure I want to go there! I was under the impression "Saw" has more of a psychological emphasis.

I've no dedication to HD, but just saw these two films as potential HD opportunities.
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The Descent is a top-tier horror movie...really a great film.

I won't give it away, but the "reveal" of the creatures in The Descent is one of the scariest moments in all of cinema the first time you see it.

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I liked the Descent. Definately good enough for a purchase.

I love the first Saw. Thought it was clever and original at the time. All the sequels sucked.

The movie 1408 is pretty good. Has some good jump scares and some "Oh $#@!" moments. What I loved about the movie was the buildup to the room, the whole Sam Jackson scene was great, made entering the room a big suspense moment.

Hostel is a good one to get. That movie just freaks you out knowing its based on actual events. Creepy!!! Comes out Tuesday on blu-ray

The Eye is corny, Chinese version of Sixth Sense. It has one badass elevator scene. Other than that, "Bah!"

Haute Tension is a good one.

Jeepers Creepers is one of my favorites. Great monster movie with a fantastic opening scene that would kick arse on Blu-Ray

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Saw is a wonderful premise for a horror film with piss poor execution.

The Descent is actually pretty original though. Not a classic, but better than the average new age american horror movie.

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Jeepers Creepers is a good horror flick. Totally surprised me when I saw it at the theaters. Something new. High Tension is also a pretty movie but the twist was wack. Never seen 1000 corpses but I did see Devils Rejects. Not scary but DAMN GOOD!!! I'm sure you guys have seen Sean of the Dead, right? If not go see it now. A comedy with Gore and Zombies. If your a zombie fan, than Return of the Living Dead is as good as it gets. Another zombie flick would be The Undead. It's a zombie flick with the CRAZIEST story.

And tell me that you guys didn't get scared when watching The Eye and that lil old lady at the end of the hall was making those moans??? Well first time I watched it I had the 5.1 speakers going.

My recommendations: Wolf Creek & Dog Soldiers.
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I'm sorry, but Jeepers Creepers is one of the worst horror films EVER!!!!!! Cabin Fever may be the only one worse than Jeepers Creepers.

What I loved about The Descent is especially if you watch it in the dark, there is an overwelming feeling of claustrophobia that the film produces within you. Those scenes that are completely black with just a little flash light or a little hole with light, and the intensity of the film building are just amazing. I bought that movie on DVD purely because I was so impressed that a film could make me feel the way it did. Great movie, and a definite buy for me as soon as I get a Blu-Ray players.
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I'm into SOME Fulci...... The Beyond is amazing, City of The Living Dead, Zombie, Dario Argento did some obvious classics in his prime...

Then you got more modern classics, Re-Animator.... yeah its campy, but what older horror movie isn't.

Then you got the more extreme stuff that I enjoy.... AFTERMATH, the camera work and cinematography is better than most movies made, ever - an art form if I ever saw one. Silent movie too. Guinea Pig 2: Flower of Flesh and Blood, Last House on the Left... just to name a very very few.

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Another fan of The Descent here. Props to director Neil Marshall for making the claustrophobic aspects of spelunking almost a scary as what the girls encounter down in the caves. As a sufferer of claustrophobia, I found it particularly tough going at times. There are also many nods to classic horror flicks in The Descent - check out the musical cue from The Thing, for example.

Definitely one of the best horrors in recent years imo and Marshall is a director to watch in the future. Oh and it's a fantastic Blu-Ray effort from Lionsgate. Highly recommended!
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Before The Descent, Neil Marshall did Dog Soldiers. Best werewolf movie EVER MADE!
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There are also many nods to classic horror flicks in The Descent - check out the musical cue from The Thing, for example.

The opening music from Aliens is also heard briefly. And the aerial shots of the cars going up to the cave is very, very close to the opening sequence of The Shining; same gloomy music, same dark atmosphere. I also believe Carrie was referenced, with the heroine soaked in blood, and that surfacing bit ... better not go into spoiler territory. Is the line "one bat .... two bats ...fifty bats" a reference, BTW?

I'm not sure how to do spoiler tags, but using white text will probably be OK:

Surely there are clues throughout the movie suggesting that this is all hallucinations, and that the girls are simply killing each other off?
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Before The Descent, Neil Marshall did Dog Soldiers. Best werewolf movie EVER MADE!

That isn't saying much, is it? "Werewolf movie" pretty much equals B movie.
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I'll add to the pile. The Descent was awesome.

I had seen it once before and rented it on BD for a friend that came over. I told him it was a movie about female cavers.

Left out the part that it was a horror flick. The look on his face at the first 'scene' was priceless....

Never seen someone's eyes pop that far out of their head.

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Surprisingly, I think An American Werewolf in London has a good mix of drama/comedy/romance with only Sci-fi styled gore... and not that much of it comparatively speaking.

This new breed of torture "porn" and gore, gore, gore and its mix with rape and S&M... disgustingly realistic is only harming us. We're becoming numb.

It used to be only the occasional slasher flick with over the top subject matter, but now it's every other horror film. No scares... just blood 'n' guts and strong brutality.

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That isn't saying much, is it? "Werewolf movie" pretty much equals B movie.

Nothing wrong with a good B movie, and there have been some vey decent werewolf movies -- "Wolfen" (1981), "Wolf" (1994), "In The Company Of Wolves" (1984), etc..., plus there are the original classics!

I'm personally a fan of decent Werewolf movies, generally prefering them to Frankenstein and Mummy films -- though I definitely appreciate "Young Frankenstein" (1974) and "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein" (1994).

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I'm into SOME Fulci...... The Beyond is amazing, City of The Living Dead, Zombie, Dario Argento did some obvious classics in his prime...

Then you got more modern classics, Re-Animator.... yeah its campy, but what older horror movie isn't.

Then you got the more extreme stuff that I enjoy.... AFTERMATH, the camera work and cinematography is better than most movies made, ever - an art form if I ever saw one. Silent movie too. Guinea Pig 2: Flower of Flesh and Blood, Last House on the Left... just to name a very very few.

Yes -- Re-animator is a true classic ! (Made a point of getting the Dario Argento's.)

Picked up a VHS copy of "Last House On The Left" -- Kind of nasty plus bizarre -- wasn't sure what to expect!
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I would say that Hostel II was better than the first one.

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I like Three Extremes (the first one)
http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_...es/medium.html
And this one too.
Three Extremes II
I saw both of these years ago on DVD / I wonder why it is coming out in theaters now?
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Another two good ones =

Nightwatch
and soon to come out Daywatch.

the special effects are very impressive.
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Oh Oh!
Sorry guys - just realized this is the Blu ray software forum.
However; These movies are still worth watching even if you have to upscale.
and since they will be playing in theaters, I hope they get transfered to BD.
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There is no such thing as an "intelligent" horror film...They are all assinine. Couldn't really be any other way.
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There is no such thing as an "intelligent" horror film...They are all assinine. Couldn't really be any other way.

What the -
Are you kidding me? "assinine" is, I think, a little too strong a word.
Don't you think?

BTW. Considering, that you are using a word that signifies extreme stupidity.
You might want to spell it like this. "asinine"
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Descent is the better choice. Saw takes place in one room for the entire movie.
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There is no such thing as an "intelligent" horror film...They are all assinine. Couldn't really be any other way.

You could say the same thing about the "Lord Of The Rings" trilogy. If you can't accept the basic premise, then there's little hope for the film working its magic. The entire sci-fi catalog is based on suspension of disbelief, but that suspension is based on imagination, and imagination is only possible in the presence of intelligence. So yes, there is such a thing as "intelligent" horror films, but it's not a simplistic requirement ! There has to be an internal logic and consistency to it.

PS. I'm definitely a "Shaun of the Dead" fan !
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I'm going to give you my recommendation first, in case you don't want to read my whole rant.

Saw is a well made horror film. From what you've stated about your taste, I think you might enjoy the first one, but probably not the sequels. It is more disturbing than scary, but then again, in my opinion so are all the asian horror films that you said you enjoy. Also, the theatrical cut is the only one available on Blu Ray, no director's cut.

I haven't seen The Descent yet (I'm waiting for the price to drop on the blu ray) but I've heard really great things about it.

I always find the whole "torture porn" thing so hilarious. Watch Saw (the first one anyway) and point out to me where all the gore is. Seriously, in the theatrical cut every bit of violence happens off-screen, there is absolutely no gore whatsoever. There is a bit in the director's cut but nothing extreme by almost any standard. The sequels have gotten progressively more out there but, at the very least, the first one is a quality horror movie. Not "boo scary" but disturbing.

I would be really interested to hear everyones' opinions of films like Dawn/Day of the Dead, the Hellraiser movies, and Argento's films. Horror films from before the whole 90's, kiddy, PC, pg13 era were right up on par with not just something like Saw(in which, as I said, all the gore is off screen), but also with something like Hostel which really IS all about the disturbing gore.

And you know what... I'll bet you that even someone like Tom Savini who was involved in the genre can look past any cloud of nostalgia and enjoy what is being done rather than sound like someone pissed in his cornflakes.

Thanks, a very interesting input !
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I'll offering a dissenting opinion, I guess. I found Descent to have a few jumps, but didn't really think it was that effective of a movie. It just didn't creep me out or scare me in the slightest. I found Saw to be surprisingly good, and have in fact watched it and its sequels a couple of times. I found the gore level in the first movie to be quite tame, and really not much more than what you'd see on an episode of CSI (though each movie got progressivly more gory, and the 3rd was probably a little over the top). Given that you can pick up Saw and its sequels very cheap at BB or a used Blockbuster copy, I'd say go for it.

I was thinking of going the BD route on it, but I can always drop back to used SD DVD instead!
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What the -
Are you kidding me? "assinine" is, I think, a little too strong a word.
Don't you think?

BTW. Considering, that you are using a word that signifies extreme stupidity.
You might want to spell it like this. "asinine"

I spelled it that way to emphasize "ass" but really "sick" or phycho" would be better...but I did spell it correctly, so what's your point?...see "urban dictionary spelling"


1. Extremely stupid/foolish.
2. Of or relating to the ass.
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The descent was REALLY good...until the monsters showed up then it kind of went downhill..
Just saw Grindhouse - Planet terror. wasn't half bad, horror movie ish

It's all about the sound!
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I like Three Extremes (the first one)
http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_...es/medium.html
And this one too.
Three Extremes II
I saw both of these years ago on DVD / I wonder why it is coming out in theaters now?

Looks pretty good. I'll check it out. Huge fan of asian cinema.

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I would say that Hostel II was better than the first one.

Actually I was a lil dissapointed with Hostel 2. It didn't shock me as much as the first one. But the last 2 minutes was enough reason for me to buy the DVD. Especially the last minute with the homeless kids. I loved that scene! Those kids are COOL!
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There are many horror movies that you could classify as an "intelligent" horror movie like the Sixth Sense or Silence of the Lambs. Horror has many sub-genres. The Slasher Film - Friday the 13th, Elm Street, Scream, etc...Ghost stories - Omen, Ring, etc... SciFi Horror - The Thing, Invasion of the Body Snatchers (personal favorite) and the recent rise of Torture Porn - Hostile, Saw, Hills Have Eyes. Each one has its own style that fits their genre. Hostile isn't scary but sure does shock you with its gore.

Anyway, how did this turn into a Horror Movie discussion????
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