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post #271 of 9293 Old 05-08-2002, 10:09 PM
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Thanx for the info James.

What antenna are you using for OTA?

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I just spoke to Gunter.

He is currently negotiating with an unnamed 24 hour High Definition Network. I asked if it was HDnet or Discovery HD Theater. He said no to both; but, indicated it was similar to HDnet.

Could this be Action Sports Cable Network?

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I've purchased a Megawave (tuned, non-powered), and, an RCA powered uhf/vhf indoor - but neither of these seems to work as well as an old channelmaster un-powered uhf/vhf. So, I keep coming back to "old faithful".

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Port Salerno?!

I'll check it out tonight.

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Me thinks you have the 5099 bug that some others have (incl. me). Its seems to be a remapping problem. If you maunally punch it 28-01 it will remap to 29-1 with the digital pic but it wont last..Sometimes a few seconds then sometimes a few minutes then it reverts back to the analog signal. If you actually go into the dish setup menu and tell it you have NO dish at all... it will work fine. Many have called about this issue with both Toshiba DST3000 And Mits and Hughes..they are all blaming different people such as Fox, DirecTV, and the STB manufacturers... This has turned into a real pain in the ass to say the least.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0&pagenumber=3

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HTnut, I do have the 5099 update. Entering 28-01 gives me "channel unavailable", as does selecting "no dish".

Thanks for helping though. I will assume that it is the 5099 bug and I will wait for a fix.

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I have a slightly snowy picture on analog 29, but an excellent, apparently DT, picture on 29-1, which I can obtain either by dialing direct or as a remap from 28-1. The picture has been holding well for the last 30 minutes.

Signal is at 65-72 with RS beginning VHF/UHF antenna and HD5.

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I have a Mitsubishi receiver and the longest ranged VHF,UHF antenna that Radio Shack makes. It is aimed SW. I also have a UHF only antenna and both are mounted on a 2 story building. I live in Palm City so I aimed the UHF antenna to the towers just West of me. I receive both WFLX and WPBF digital channels but I'm having a problem with WPBF. The station pixelizes, signal breaks in and out. The Sat. receiver says I'm getting a 100 % digital signal strength on that channel. No problem with WFLX and I only get a 80 % signal strength. Anyone have an idea whats happening ?
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Hi Carl,

I'm across the water from you, and use an indoor antenna. I aim it roughly south to south east and I get WPBF 100%. WFLX is a bit more troublesome, but with some tinkering, I can get to 93%.

On my receiver, I only pixelate when the signal is 100% when I'm checking it, but, then starts to dip as I move around my room, etc.

Have you tried to pick up 59-1 from my direction yet?

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Hey James,

I thought your suppose to aim your antenna to the west tower for WPBF. I just checked the channel and I still have a 100% signal and now no pixelation. Someone told me to use a signal amp even though I get a 100% reading and it might clear up the problem. Don't know if that would solve it or not. I also have the dreaded mapping problem w/FOX. Digital TV infancy I guess. I have not attemped to get 59-1 yet. Would I need to move antenna?
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Carl,

I'm new to all this, so take anything I say with a grain of salt.

I've been aiming my little round uhf element at the clearest path to where I think the antenna is, and that seems to get me the best signal.

As for 59-1 I'm picking up about a 50% signal, but, I don't see any picture. 59-1 is supposedly being broadcast at low power from a site in Port Salerno for the time being, so, I thought I'd get good reception. Seemed (as of last night), that that isn't the case.

Other people here in the forum are going to check tonight.

And I do get WFLX on 28-1 (at about 93%) and it automatically switched to 29-1. 29-1 shows up with WFLX-DT in my channel selector, 28-1 does not. I think this is the way it's supposed to work.

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I also get FOX at 93% signal strength. The channel is supposed to switch to 29-1 . The problem I have is it goes analog. I have to tell the receiver I don't have a dish and then it stays digital. Prior posts have mentioned this problem. Does your 16-1 channel pixelate now and then during the daytime only and not at night ? I wonder if it is a WPBF problem.
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Does anyone know why I would get pixelation on 16-1 when I get a 95-100 signal reading ?
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Well i do know that the switching back to analog thing is a new bug with the 5099 update. As for the pixelation i dont know. Im not watching WPBFDT anyways since they are not passing throught the HD feed yet anyhow
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Anyone in Palm Beach or Martin County have any luck with WHDT tonight?

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I checked last night and I also have the 5099 bug. Does anyone know who is to blame or better yet has DirecTV or Toshiba taken responsibility? I don't watch FOX 29 much but it would be nice if everything worked as promised.

Is anyone else getting the felling that DirecTV is getting ready to hit us with an HDTV fee based package. They have already told me that HBO HD and Showtime HD are only available to HBO and Showtime subscribers. What do you think they are planning for Discovery HD and HDNet 1,2,3?

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If you see pixelation while getting a good signal level it's possible that the station might actually have been"sending" a picture that was pixelated coming in to them. Was this on ABC programming or local programming? Ordinarily if errors occur in the over-the-air transmission you should see a quick dip in signal level...but this may differ on some receivers.

I checked channel 59-1 at 7 p. m. last night but saw no evidence of any signal. It's extremely unlikely that I will ever see a station running 1kW on channel 59 from so far away (Port Salerno) from Lake Worth.

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pixelation is when there was a picture, and the update was not received properly.
That is, good old digital signals was not recieved.
This can be caused by a bad signal at the mother station, OR, multiplex problems, or a dip in signal.
All of the problems results in stoppage of video updates.

All the hype about digital better than analog is mostly BS.
Yes, digital does have some good points such as better SNR and higher resolution transmissions, but in general, when trying to see a questionable signal, you just don't know what you have with digital.
If it were analog, you would see interference, ghosting, noise (snow) and partial drop outs.
At least in analog you could see the problem, and then try to correct it.

But, a good solid digital signal does give a better picture than analog.
I was just trying to explain simple problems do maginify themselves in digital.
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Its not just the Toshiba STB..its all the Hughes boxes. So far it seems everyone is blaming everyone else.. Nice huh??
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My signal dips from 100% to 93% and I get ittermitant pixelation. It is happening to me as I write this post if anyone can check 16-1 and let me know if its just me.
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I have been watching 16-1 off and on tonight. No pixelation here. I am seeing the same results on my Mitsubishi HD5 that everyone else is having due to the 5099 update on 29-1. When do you think they will stop finger pointing and fix it?
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Maybe its a Palm City/Stuart tower problem. Anyone in the North area seeing any pixelation?
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I get 16-1 at 100%. The only time I see pixelation is when I start getting momentary drops of signal that go way low. I haven't figured out how far it has to dip, but when it starts happening, I've jumped to my signal strength meter and I'm losing all signal for a second or two, then it jumps back.

On a more fun note: I decided to try picking up WHDT again last night (I'm less than two miles from Port Salerno). I mounted my little uhf antenna in a precarious spot, giving me a constant 51% signal, and, bingo - there was Curt Gowdy on the tube. I don't know if the picture was 720p or 1080i (haven't seen any verfiable 1080i at home yet), but it was glorious.

I watched from 10:35 to 11:35pm. Curt Gowdy was on a show called "Issues and Events", or somesuch - and the commercial spots were filled with little video postcards of locations on the Treasure Coast (They were gorgeous!). After I&E, they played a short movie about a replica of Columbus' ship "The Nina", then played the same episode of I&E again (I couldn't sith through it a second time, no matter how good it looked )

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Forgive me for my numerous posts. I am just trying to get a handle on what is a real mind boggler. I have the Mitsubishi HD500 and a Mits 55WS HD monitor. I receive HBO,SHO,HDTV with no problem, fabulous picture. I receive FOX 28-1 which re-maps me to 29-1 with no problem, excellent picture, no break up, 93% signal strength. Then of course it goes back to analog but that's another story. I receive 16-1 ABC at 100% strength and I consider myself lucky when the picture remains intact. I call it the Pixie channel. Now and then i get great prolonged picture but not for long. If it is not me, which if it is someone tell me what it is, than other people in the Northern area aiming their antennas west to I95 towers should be experiencing the same thing. Anyone out there.........
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I decided to try picking up WHDT again last night. I mounted my little uhf antenna in a precarious spot, giving me a constant 51% signal, and, bingo - there was Curt Gowdy on the tube. I don't know if the picture was 720p or 1080i (haven't seen any verfiable 1080i at home yet), but it was glorious.

James,

Congrats on your success picking up WHDT-DT.

WHDT previously reported that they would be broadcasting a 720p signal. Last time I spoke to Gunter he was touting the exceptional quality of NATIVE 720p over 1080i.

I can't wait to see their broadcast. I just hope they aren't bull****ing again about going full power in June or July.

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I live west of 95 on Jog and I don't have any pixcelation problems with 16.1. What should I look for to see if I have the Fox 29.1 problem?

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I live west of 95 on Jog and I don't have any pixcelation problems with 16.1. What should I look for to see if I have the Fox 29.1 problem?

I think that it depends on the receiver that you have and if that receiver has taken the "5099" update. My Mitsubishi has this problem. If I enter 29-01 then all I get is the standard analog channel 29 (WFLX). If I enter 28-01 then it will briefly say "channel unavailable" then it will switch to 29-1 digital - for a minute or two, then it drops back to analog. I can go into the "dish setup" and select "No Dish" and enter channel 28-01 and I will get the WFLX digital feed without dropping back to analog.

Previous posts in this thread tell why this is happening. I hope that it is resolved soon.
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I didn't receive FOX shows in widescreen tonight on WFLX (Malcolm, X-files). Picture was great, but not widescreen. Anyone else?
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James,

Congrats on your success picking up WHDT-DT.

WHDT previously reported that they would be broadcasting a 720p signal. Last time I spoke to Gunter he was touting the exceptional quality of NATIVE 720p over 1080i.

I can't wait to see their broadcast. I just hope they aren't bull****ing again about going full power in June or July.

I'm glad to hear that was a 720P signal converted (by my receiver) to 1080i. I figure that means at native 1080i picture might be even sharper! I can't wait to see one! What I saw on WHDT was pretty, but, you can always ask for more, right!

I didn't have any luck on Saturday trying to pull them in again, I don't know if that means they're not broadcasting over the weekend...
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James,
I think you and I are the only ones North of Palm Beach on this thread. I called the WPBF and told them about my problem. They said they would begin to look into it. Any info on your end would be a great help. I notice if my signal meter stays at 100% and stays there I have no problem, as soon as it fluctuates at all even just a little the channel drops in and out. This happen quite often. Do me a favor and give it a check once and awhile see what you see so I can send more info to the station. Palm Beachers are not having this problem at all. It would be a great help if you notice anything. Thanks
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James,
I think you and I are the only ones North of Palm Beach on this thread. I called the WPBF and told them about my problem. They said they would begin to look into it. Any info on your end would be a great help. I notice if my signal meter stays at 100% and stays there I have no problem, as soon as it fluctuates at all even just a little the channel drops in and out. This happen quite often. Do me a favor and give it a check once and awhile see what you see so I can send more info to the station. Palm Beachers are not having this problem at all. It would be a great help if you notice anything. Thanks
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Carl7b,

I'm off on the road on a work trip. Once I get back, I'd be happy to help in any way I can.

What I've noticed so far with WPBF on my set:

It's pretty easy for me to get a steady 100% signal, just, never in the same spot as I get a good signal on WFLX

When the signal fluctuates, in my location, it seems to fluctuate a lot. I.e. I either get 100% steady, or I get 100%,6%,21%,51%,3%,100%, etc...

I haven't proved this yet, but it seemd to me that 50% is my threshold, anything less, and the picture starts to break up.

Other points: The levels on WPBF's signal seem high. Volume is high, colors are very saturated...

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