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Joel Graffman's Avatar Joel Graffman
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For Bob Wagner.

I have a single story house in Danforth. My attic may be bit larger than some as I have 8' ceilings, but UHF yagis can fit almost anywhere. I haven't tried very hard with receiving WPEC-DT as a quick look indicates a rather poor signal on their analog station.

My current setup is the UHF Yagi pointed WSW towards the WPBF tower combined with a FM omni-directional dipole. If you would like to look at it give me a call.

After the first of the year, I expect to experiment with antenna placement to see if I can receive the WPalm transmissions. This includes purchasing a channel 13 yagi for WPEC.

Joel
Carlb7's Avatar Carlb7
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I also live in Palm City and I'm using the Outdoor Radio Shack antenna. I receive all DT stations at 100%. Here is a problem that I have discovered recently. When I have the oval dish selected in dish setup for Direct TV I get fluctuating signal strengths in all stations, sometimes to the point of drop-outs,(mostly WPBF). When I change the setup to "no dish" the signal strength meter remains steady and at 100% and no more drop-outs. I have the Mits.HD4 receiver. I don't know yet if this is a receiver problem or a Direct TV problem. Someone else may want to try it and see if they get the same results.
ElectricPickle's Avatar ElectricPickle
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Quote:


I have the Mits.HD4 receiver. I don't know yet if this is a receiver problem or a Direct TV problem. Someone else may want to try it and see if they get the same results.

There was an issue with the Mitsubishi, Hughes, and Toshiba STB's (all the same) when FOX 29 DT went on air that sounds similar to what you describe. I think it was resolved with a firmware update but I'm not sure. Try a reset by pressing "Action" wait 2 seconds and "Power". You may want to unplug it over night and see if that kind of reset will help too. It may also just be a design flaw because most people will say that selecting "no dish" will improve signal strength of OTA.
David McRoy's Avatar David McRoy
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Thanks, Electricpickle. I'm trying your suggestiion on my Mitsubishi SR-HD5.

Guys,

We are back up at full power.

Our test involving turning-off the SD subchannel stream seems to have verified suspicions that the pixelation on the HD channel were due to something else since they have persisted during the test period during which the SD channel has been absent, so it has been turned back on.

As I mentioned in my prior post, we'll be altering the data stream over the coming days (or, considering that we're in a holiday season, perhaps a week or so) to try and fix the pixelation and freezing issue. Our equipment vendors think that they know what's going on. (And if that doesn't fix it I'm confident that another fix can be produced...at a price.

I'll be working through the Christmas Holidays and will be online as well, so if you folks care to pass along any observations here on the Forum, please do so. We certainly appreciate the feedback.

Merry Christmas!
Bighitter's Avatar Bighitter
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Nice improvement here once you went back to full power. I am going between 90-95% signal strength on my Toshiba DST3000 with just the Radioshack Double Bowtie sitting onto of my Entertainment Center out in Loxahatchee. Feed is actually very good with minimal pixelation so far into Jag. One or two minor moments of pixelation followed by a fraction of a second video dropout it seemed. Good work guys keep it up.

I am now picking up all 4 local stations at the following percentages from my Toshiba.

WPEC = 90-95%
WPBF = 100% pegged
WFLX = 100% pegged
WTVX = 70-75%
ANSEK's Avatar ANSEK
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This not "flipping the switch" thing is getting contagious. WPBF is not passing the HD signal from ABC. We need to keep a list of numbers so we can call the stations when this happens. Last night they flipped the switch 5 minutes into the program and audio was all messed. I feel bad for all the people who where expecting an afternoon of HD from ABC.
dharding's Avatar dharding
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You are not missing anything today. WPLG did carry the HD ABC shows this afternoon and the audio was a nightmare. When they went local the audio was fine so the problem must have been at the network.
ElectricPickle's Avatar ElectricPickle
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And what's up with WFLX 29-1?
ANSEK's Avatar ANSEK
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Quote:


Originally posted by dharding
You are not missing anything today. WPLG did carry the HD ABC shows this afternoon and the audio was a nightmare. When they went local the audio was fine so the problem must have been at the network.

I never came back after I noticed the 1PM showing of 8 Simple Rules and the 1:30PM showing of "According to Jim" where not HD. They had the same audio problem last night.
Venkat's Avatar Venkat
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January
9 - X-Team
11 - Enemy of the State
12 - 101 Dalmatians
16 - Snow Day
19 - Sounder
23 - Forces of Nature
25 - Mission Impossible
30 - Columbo Likes the Night Life

February
6- NTSB: The Crash of Flight 323
8 - The Shawshank Redemption
9 - Inspector Gadget
15 - Notting Hill
23 - Wonderful World of Disney: The Music Man
lwhitefl's Avatar lwhitefl
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Bob733 - very few problems (other than audio sync) with signal strength of 85 or greater. 25-1 most always has a stable HD picture while pixelation is a problem with 29-1 occasionally. I haven't been able to pick up a really stable HD signal from 12-1 yet. I tried repositioning my VHF/UHF in the attic to get it more level and directional (180 degrees) today. I'll try WPEC (12-1) again tonight and see if it makes any difference. I also notice from David that WPEC is operating at full power again, so maybe that will also help.
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I hope someone can help about where I can find a two input coaxial remote control switch. Preferably one that uses RF instead of IR to control.

I used to live in Delray and I had a RS 80" Boom antenna on a rotator and had no problem receiving stations from either Miami or West Palm. I recently moved to Margate where I own my own home and lot. I realize that I have every right to put up an outside antenna, but the homeowners association had made it plain that they are very unhappy. I am not ready for a lot of hassels at this time so I have tried to make do with an attic antenna. I am using the RS 80" boom antenna that I had in Delray pointed to the south and am recieving satisfactory reception from the Miami stations but as you might predict, not much from West Palm. I put up another UHF antenna in my attic pointed toward West Palm. I tried connecting the two antennas with a combiner, but found that this does not work. The UHF sations seem to cancel themselves out. The UHF antenna by itself will get me the West Palm stations with the exception of WPBF.
Therefore I need a coaxial switch that I can operate by remote control without having to climb into the attic. RS has one, but I don't seem to be able to find one locally. I really would like a remote control switch that operates by RF so I can change antennas from my living room.
Any suggestions???
Tony
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Is WPEC back at Half power again? I am only getting a signal in the 40's on my Toshiba DST-3000 tonight when I got much higher even last nite. Trying to show off true HD to the woman and she isnt impressed with the multiple dropouts per minute.
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Bighitter, I watched the first CSI with no problems. I didn't check the signal strength though. You have to keep in mind that all of the local DT stations are new and they will be out of whack from time to time. I don't know what WFLX's excuse is though. They are off more than on lately. You don't have a homeowners association out there in the boonies so why not put up a big ugly antenna? I swear I'm going to weld something together, hang it on a pole and call it "Art in Public Places". Just ignore the RG6 running to it. Maybe I can get a grant.
Bighitter's Avatar Bighitter
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HAHA. My fiancee just asked what was soo funny I was laughing so loud. Actually I just got her to agree with getting a large outdoor antenna tonight. I think I am just going to go with the ChannelMaster 4228 if I can find it locally or one of the ChannelMaster units from lowes. I will have my end nailed down before the Superbowl thats for sure. BTW the toshiba is working great just need to get the rest of my DirecTV stuff in now.
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Ok is it just me or does WTVX seem to have an overall red tint to the feed? WPEC and WPBF both look beautiful but WTVX is seriously red, worse than any red push I have seen on a TV.
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Quote:


Originally posted by Bighitter
I think I am just going to go with the ChannelMaster 4228 if I can find it locally or one of the ChannelMaster units from lowes.

Lowes sells antenna's. Besides Radio Shack, where can I purchase a Channel Master, Winegard, or Antenna Craft antenna in Palm Beach County?
David McRoy's Avatar David McRoy
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The ChannelMaster 4228 is for UHF only. You'll need a VHF/UHF antenna. (WPEC-DT is on VHF Channel 13. WPLG-DT is on VHF channel 9. WSVN-DT is on VHF channel 8.)
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Wow, this is really so confusing....Indoor, Outdoor, UHF/Vhf, Dropouts, Amplfied/not amplified. on and on and on. So, hopefully, this might be simple if I just get bottom line. Here is my situation:
Hitachi 65swx20b....Sony HD200...Phillps standard Sat receiver (bedroom). DirecTV 3LNB....Palm City, Fl. Want to try installing Indoor Attic Antenna (one story house but probably enough room in Attic). Need Recomendation on: Type of Indoor Attic (guess UHF/VHf, amplified or not..must be returnable (if it does not pull in signals), approx cost...and if possible, a good installer in the Palm City area). I would eat the costs of the installer trying to help me (hmm wonder how much that would be), but would want the option of retruning the antenna if it fails..HHHeeellllllpp
davidbones's Avatar davidbones
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when you select no dish do you lose the DirecTV feeds? I have similar problems with the Hughes HD receiver with drop outs and signal drop outs. I would like to try but don't want to lose all the DirecTV stuff.
David McRoy's Avatar David McRoy
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I will reiterate what I have stated in previous posts:

If you are experiencing pixelation, freezes and dropouts on WPEC-DT it is being caused by something on our end. It is not a result of reception problems, it is a result of a problem with our signal that we expect to fix during the first week of January.
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David - I repositioned my attic VHS/UHF antenna and I'm now getting a signal strength of 44 - 51 on my Hughes E86. I'm experiencing the pixelation and freezes your talking about which makes watching 12-1 all but impossible right now. Thank you for your input to this forum, it really helps sort out the root of the problems. I'll probably wait until I hear from you that the WPEC-DT problems are resolved before I start experiementing with more powerful anntennas. But I just read that CBS is going to televise the NFL playoffs in HD so I'm really hoping WPEC can sort out the problems to enable me to view the games in HD.
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Quote:


Originally posted by David McRoy
The ChannelMaster 4228 is for UHF only. You'll need a VHF/UHF antenna. (WPEC-DT is on VHF Channel 13. WPLG-DT is on VHF channel 9. WSVN-DT is on VHF channel 8.)

Why in the world would anyone want to be able to receive WSVN-DT???
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Considering I dont really care about the other 2 VHF channels and WPEC is on 13, I was more interested in the backside reception capabilites of the 4228. If anything I could always get a VHF only antenna for WPEC. Gonna try with the cheap RS UHF only antenna first to see what it gets. Thanks for the input though.
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Bighitter,

I don't know where you are located but, I know several people that are having success receiving WPEC-DT using UHF only antennas from Radio Shack and Winegard. They all live less than 20 miles away from the the tower. When doing some early testing I was able to get WPEC-DT using a wire connected to a 75 Ohm to 300 Ohm adapter.
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Quote:


Originally posted by aviators99
Why in the world would anyone want to be able to receive WSVN-DT???

I guess you have not yet discovered the late night porn they show several nights a week.
Of course, it is not in HD.

The only other use would be during rain fade of a FOX NFL or baseball game.
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I deleted WSVN from my STB's memorized channel list on the day WFLX went live. BTW, "Anastasia" looked excellent on WFLX the other night. OAR even!
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Did anyone catch the ABC demo loop that was being played after the Drew Carey show? It was from 99 it appeared but damn was it pretty. Glad I saw it because I was looking at the PQ of the Carey show and wasnt that impressed and was worried it was the upconvert of 720p to 1080i. The shuttle pictures and the NYC shots were amazing. It was obviously a mistake to see it on because about 5-7 minutes into it they switched back to the network feed.
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Yeah Big, that is their test loop. When you get the dish for your STB and you get hooked up to DirecTV you will see HDNET on channel 199. Most of it shot in 1080I and it spoils you. All of ABC's hi-def programs are in 720P, and I think they are a bit on the washed out side personally (My Wife & Kids). CBS uses 1080I and the CSI that I watched looked very good. I was watching WPEC local news last night on 12-1 and their studio cameras were rock solid on color and purity. When they switched to tape it was like "damn, I'm blind!" HiDefDave, are there plans to bring in hi-def studio cameras? What you have now though is very good as long as you don't streatch the picture.
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I was watching that ABC Demo loop as well and it was great. It is a same that shows can't look like that. I hate all of the artistic filers and grain they add to CSI. It really ruins a great picture.

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