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I have never received 35 analog very well from the beginning. When repositioning the antenna it was critical within tenths of a degree so I gave up on it. This was around 2003.
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WEAO/49 is off the air this morning.

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I have never received 35 analog very well from the beginning. When repositioning the antenna it was critical within tenths of a degree so I gave up on it. This was around 2003.
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I can get a fuzzy watchable picture with no multipath on 35 with my outdoor antenna. I get similar results with my coat-hanger antenna when placed in my backyard about 5 feet off the ground, so it appears that I'm getting a good grab of the maximum amount of power being thrown in my area. My uncle lives closer to their tower (~8 miles away) and 35 comes in no better than it does at my house, even trough his outdoor antenna is higher than mine. (He's kind of in their null).

35 (as well as 32, 53 & 65) was unknown to me until an antenna replacement and coaxial upgrade was performed back in 2002.

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Hello Guys

I just unplugged the cable and going to antenna. I live near downtown in Tremont. The antenna will be inside on the 2nd floor. What would you suggest, omni or directional? Powered or not? I was looking at a Weingard MS-2000. Thanks!!!
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I'd try indoor rabbit ears first (the cheap, unamplified ones), preferably in front of a south-facing window (since the transmitters are to the south of you in Parma). If it doesn't work reliably, then try a small, unamplified directional outdoor antenna.

Omni antennas (like the Weingard MS-2000) are usually not a good idea due to multipath, also all the stations are in the same direction, to the south of you (or SSE towards Akron), so there's no reason to use an omni where you are.

In Tremont, the signals should be very strong (you can see the towers ahead of you in the distance driving south on W14th) so you don't want anything amplified.

Make sure whatever you use has high-VHF 7-13 (as well as UHF) as Ch. 8 and 19 are on the VHF band,

If you want the Akron-based stations (23.x and 49.x) you will almost certainly need a rooftop antenna.

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I just unplugged the cable and going to antenna. I live near downtown in Tremont. The antenna will be inside on the 2nd floor. What would you suggest, omni or directional? Powered or not? I was looking at a Weingard MS-2000. Thanks!!!

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Don't forget that some of the Cleveland stations have nulls towards Canada, which means less power being thrown in that direction, so rabbit ears may not be the best solution, especially for 19 and 25.

My recommendation; A compact UHF/VHF outdoor antenna (on the roof or by the south side in your attic) should be enough to reliably receive the all the Cleveland stations. However, an in-line switchable preamp may be required if you want to receive any of the Akron stations.

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True, but even with nulls the signals should be super-strong in his area since he is so close and very much line-of-sight to the towers. The smaller RCA should be plenty unless he wants the Akron signals. The most important thing is to not use any type of amplified antenna, as that will certainly overload on the strong TV and FM signals in his area.

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Don't forget that some of the Cleveland stations have nulls towards Canada, which means less power being thrown in that direction, so rabbit ears may not be the best solution, especially for 19 and 25.

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True, but even with nulls the signals should be super-strong in his area since he is so close and very much line-of-sight to the towers. The smaller RCA should be plenty unless he wants the Akron signals. The most important thing is to not use any type of amplified antenna, as that will certainly overload on the strong TV and FM signals in his area.
I live in the Copley area, only about 1-2 miles from WVPX, WDLI, WOIO-LD and WEAO. I live in between all three of these towers. I use an amplified outdoor antenna, and I've never had any problems with overload on TV stations. Can anyone else confirm this? I wouldn't shy away from using an amplifier. It has definitely helped me.
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That's great info. guys - thanks!
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True, but even with nulls the signals should be super-strong in his area since he is so close and very much line-of-sight to the towers. The smaller RCA should be plenty unless he wants the Akron signals. The most important thing is to not use any type of amplified antenna, as that will certainly overload on the strong TV and FM signals in his area.
When you look at the TV Fool maps, Downtown Cleveland is in the green (strong-medium) area for WOIO and WVIZ due to their heavy nulls. All the other full power stations are within the red or orange. (Very strong-strong). I understand that the original poster has a direct line-of-sight of the towers, (I can see them from I-490 by the steelyards), but just because you can see the tower doesn't mean the reception is going to be perfectly clear or interference free. WAOH is a good example.

Based on the reviews on Amazon the RCA ANT751 performs well for it's size, so receiving the Akron stations shouldn't be a problem, especially if the OP is going to use it on the second floor or attic.

And yes, the preamp would only be for the Akron stations. Definitely don't want to use that for the Cleveland stations. That's why I mentioned switchable, one with an on/off switch.

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I live in the Copley area, only about 1-2 miles from WVPX, WDLI, WOIO-LD and WEAO. I live in between all three of these towers. I use an amplified outdoor antenna, and I've never had any problems with overload on TV stations. Can anyone else confirm this? I wouldn't shy away from using an amplifier. It has definitely helped me.
Is it on? Maybe the amp isn't enough to cause problems. In the analog era, all your Akron stations would be polluted with snow.

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I live in the Copley area, only about 1-2 miles from WVPX, WDLI, WOIO-LD and WEAO.

I live in between all three of these towers. I use an amplified outdoor antenna,
and I've never had any problems with overload on TV stations.

Can anyone else confirm this?

I wouldn't shy away from using an amplifier. It has definitely helped me.




Yeah, I remember years ago, I called an electronics place out of state. I wanted a preamp (Titan). The guy did not recommend it, due to Ch23 overloading. I wanted anyway.
Turned out to be a good setup in getting clean, upper UHF signals (ie 61 and 43). Yes, 23 was a bit of problem when I rotated to the YNG stations, but an inline
signal attenuator solved that problem.

I have moved. I currently have my ClearStream4 in the living room which connects back to my dying DigitalStream Converter Box, which is connected to my Philips DVR in my bedroom. I had a problem the other day getting the DigitalStream box to respond with its On/Off button and via the remote. Finally got it going again by unplugging/plugging in the AC cord. I suspect a bad cap, perhaps.

I may try to fix the box, but meanwhile, I'm searching for a replacement. Any recommendations? I looked at the RCA box at the Walmart site. Too many negative reviews on it.

I'm picking up 21 and 27 YNG. Got 52 briefly last week. Probably would get it if I manually rotate the antenna. The antenna now points ENE.

While I'm typing this, I unhooked the antenna line from the CB hooked it up to my Philips TV and just did an Antenna Scan (I'm also on Cable). It just now finished. The results are: 1 Analog and 37 Digital channels. 29 is snowy with static audio. Problematical 49 is apparently off the air - again. I did get 45.

Ok, back to the DigitalStream CB:

So, with the ClearStream4 pointed to the ENE for optimizing ch17, I have these at the moment:


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Ch     Meter Level

 3           79 
 5           56 
 8            0 (Perhaps I may get the VHF Kit to add to this antenna.)  
17           85 
19           47 
21           40 
23           68 
25           47 
27           31 (Breakup as level dips into the 20s) 
43           37 
45           32 (Breakup as level dips into the 20s) 
47           49 
49            0 (Off Air?) 
52           12 (Level Too Low - No Pic/Sound) 
55           77 
61           53 




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I live in the Copley area, only about 1-2 miles from WVPX, WDLI, WOIO-LD and WEAO. I live in between all three of these towers. I use an amplified outdoor antenna, and I've never had any problems with overload on TV stations. Can anyone else confirm this? I wouldn't shy away from using an amplifier. It has definitely helped me.
Remember that TV transmitting antennas transmit most of the signal out towards the horizon rather than wasting it up and down. You may be close enough that the signal received at your house isn't that strong because most of it is going horizontally from the towers.
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I get 53 and the 24 repeater sometimes but never got a whiff of 27.
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Their website says they will be off until Oct. 23. Wonder why they have so many transmitter problems?

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Remember that TV transmitting antennas transmit most of the signal out towards the horizon rather than wasting it up and down. You may be close enough that the signal received at your house isn't that strong because most of it is going horizontally from the towers.
I'm not sure if that's true or not. I'm just saying that from my experience, I've never had an overload problem with digital TV signals, and I've lived in different areas around the city of Akron. I know the same can't be said for FM radio where I live. There are a few FM transmitters within a mile or two of my house that overpower a large chunk of the FM dial and obliterate all the weaker FM stations from existence. From what I've read, it's called blanketing interference that causes a hissing sound across the entire FM dial, therefore weakening everything else. And even the more expensive radios with good selectivity and sensitivity can't stop the problem. There's also an overload issue on FM called intermodulation mixing, where two powerful signals combine to cause interference on a third frequency... just try listening to 100.1 WNIR when driving near the 89.7, 97.5 and 94.9 towers. If you do the math... 97.5 - 94.9 = 2.6, add 2.6 to 97.5, and you get 100.1. Or 94.9 - 89.7 = 5.2, add 5.2 to 94.9, and you get 100.1. That's why if you ever drive in near these towers, 100.1 gets obliterated and you hear it overpowered by these stations.

I've never had this problem with any digital TV stations. I am able to receive everything available to me, even the weaker Youngstown stations. And the amplifier helps. So that's why I would recommend it.

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There are a few FM transmitters within a mile or two of my house that overpower a large chunk of the FM dial and obliterate all the weaker FM stations from existence. From what I've read, it's called blanketing interference that causes a hissing sound across the entire FM dial, therefore weakening everything else. .
Was it 92.3 that used to do this along the I-271 cooridor around Warrensville, I never really noted this untill I had an signal amp installed that worked great out west.

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Was it 92.3 that used to do this along the I-271 cooridor around Warrensville, I never really noted this untill I had an signal amp installed that worked great out west.
Yes, that's a good example too. Just drive on I-271, and when you get near the 92.3/95.5 tower in Warrensville Heights, which is next to the highway, it obliterates any weak signals that come from Akron and Youngstown. Once you're a couple miles away from the tower, everything returns to normal.

Also I notice when driving near the 640 WHLO tower, I get their signal on 1280 kHz, which is 2x 640. That is why TV amplifiers have FM traps... many nearby powerful FM frequencies, when doubled, cause interference with high VHF TV channels 7-13.

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Maybe not 1-2 miles away as the signal is practically raining on you, but if you are almost right up to the tower, then the majority of the signal would be 400 to 700 feet above the ground. The West Creek Reservation just put a parking lot right in front of WOIO's tower, and if you sat in the parking lot with a portable TV and a good antenna, the reception of WOIO would probably be roughly the same as if you were 15-20 miles away. Drive 1-2 miles south of anyone's tower and the reception will likely be pegged at 100%.

AM signals are different as the signal is much closer to the ground, so being closer to their tower(s) (and sometimes in the right direction from the towers) will improve reception. Unless you live by blowtorch 1100, most vacant frequencies (and some used frequencies) will have WTAM bleeding over them. Driving past their respective towers, I have had 1100 bleed over 1260, dispite the two being less than a mile apart, 1220 bleed over 1260, and 1260 bleed over 1220.

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W16DO-D is now gone, it is now listed as W35AX's Digital Companion Channel, http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=W35AX
WAKN's Digital Application has been dismissed and is no longer listed in the FCC Query http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=WAKN
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