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Don't want to be parked in the "drop zone" when that ice starts falling.
Channel 5's signal level is back to normal this morning.
Then stay away from the intersection mentioned above. I can't believe that WJW was allowed to stay on that property and even replace the tower with a newer one a few years ago. Every other tower here in the farm has acreage surrounding them. If WJW should ever fall it would be a major disaster in my neighborhood.

If you are interested go on Google Maps street view for West Pleasant Valley Road just to the southeast of the State Road intersection. You will get to see just how close the guy wire support structure is to the sidewalk. Several homes and businesses are in the shadow of the tower. It's one of the few broadcast towers that anyone can get up close and personal with.

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Ice buildup can cause the transmitter to overheat. The transmitter's power can be reduced so that the equipment isn't ruined. Here is an article describing this... http://ualrpublicradio.org/post/expe...rength-its-ice

It sounds like a perfectly logical explanation.
Has anyone contacted WEWS, and have they responded?
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Ice buildup can cause the transmitter to overheat. The transmitter's power can be reduced so that the equipment isn't ruined. Here is an article describing this... http://ualrpublicradio.org/post/expe...rength-its-ice

It sounds like a perfectly logical explanation.
Has anyone contacted WEWS, and have they responded?
Contacted them & no they haven't responded.
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All I know is what I see. The normally red colored antenna at the top of WJW was white (as was the top section of the tower which is also "striped" with alternating red and white). The other stations I could see were not at the time. WQHS was white several day earlier (I see the WQHS and WBNX towers out my back windows). WEWS's tower is so far off the road and partially hidden by woods, I can just barely see the top even from their State Road access drive (with it's sign that reads: "WEWS 5 transmitter, private property - no trespassing").

This may have been what happened to the other stations you experienced issues with recently. I only get close enough to WKYC's tower on the weekend (it's near my church's parking lot).

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Not saying this is incorrect, would think this would often happen, & have had really no diminished signal on any of the other stations, & this don't seem to be affecting anyone. One would think it wouldn't cause actual overheating.
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Not saying this is incorrect, would think this would often happen, & have had really no diminished signal on any of the other stations, & this don't seem to be affecting anyone. One would think it wouldn't cause actual overheating.
Ice on an antenna causes the VSWR to go up. If it gets too high, the power reflecting back into the transmitter can cause damage, so most modern transmitters automatically dial back the power as the VSWR goes up. Not sure why you think it wouldn't cause a problem.

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The local commercial timing issue seems to be fixed, haven't seen any problems the last day or two.

However, this morning, MeTV was intermittently freezing/dropping out maybe once a minute (not reception, as 19.1 was fine).
Last time the local commercials were running long was back in November. However, they were fine the next day. After you mentioned that the commercials were running long again, I turned on 19.2 and watched Me-TV for a good 5 hours. The local commercials were all timed correctly and were not overlapping programming. I didn't send them an e-mail like I mentioned in your last post, I usually wait for a few days to see if they correct the problem themselves. It seems that WOIO is watching Me-TV more often or at longer intervals and catching problems before viewers start complaining.

I'm not seeing any freezing in the broadcast now. Perhaps there was ice on their satellite dish? I do see a brief frozen/pixelated image once in a while, but not often. Is that what you were seeing this morning?

I also remember when 19.2 would frequently freeze and black out for a few seconds to several minutes. (19.1 was unaffected.) It must have been an encoder issue as the "Cleveland" bug would disappear when the screen blacked out. If it was the satellite, the "Cleveland" bug would still be on the screen, if present. Anyway, I think they finally fixed that because I haven't seen that happen in a long time.

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I can't believe that WJW was allowed to stay on that property and even replace the tower with a newer one a few years ago.
A few years ago? I though that tower was replaced back in 1998. They probably had it replaced for their digital broadcast. Their original self-supporting tower (probably a back-up) was also demolished when the old tower was removed.

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If you are interested go on Google Maps street view for West Pleasant Valley Road just to the southeast of the State Road intersection. You will get to see just how close the guy wire support structure is to the sidewalk. Several homes and businesses are in the shadow of the tower. It's one of the few broadcast towers that anyone can get up close and personal with.
Noticed how the WJW tower only has one set of anchors for the guy wires. The roads and neighborhood prevents the tower from having another set father out. This probably limits the height and weight of the tower. Being in the middle of a populated area, I wonder if that's the reason why the WJW tower has strobe lights during the day. And why is their tower not painted? Isn't that a requirement?

I assume you've been to the West Creak Reservation. You can park right in front of WOIO's tower and literally walk right up to WBNX's.

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A few years ago? I though that tower was replaced back in 1998. They probably had it replaced for their digital broadcast. Their original self-supporting tower (probably a back-up) was also demolished when the old tower was removed.


Noticed how the WJW tower only has one set of anchors for the guy wires. The roads and neighborhood prevents the tower from having another set father out. This probably limits the height and weight of the tower. Being in the middle of a populated area, I wonder if that's the reason why the WJW tower has strobe lights during the day. And why is their tower not painted? Isn't that a requirement?

I assume you've been to the West Creak Reservation. You can park right in front of WOIO's tower and literally walk right up to WBNX's.
I've driven past WJW on my way to work every day since 1996 and lived in it's shadow (.8 of a mile) since 2005. I never saw a self-supporting tower, the old tower IIRC was also guyed. If they had a back-up tower it was long gone by the time I started driving through what would become my neighborhood. I could have sworn it was after '98 when the new tower went up, in '98 they did not know yet what the digital transition would entail. WKYC was first to go digital, wasn't that around '02 or '03? The WJW tower had to have gone up after that. Trip, do you have any information in your archives on when WJW erected it's current tower?

Who did have a self supporting backup tower that is now gone was WKYC. WEWS may still have theirs, like I said it's hard to see.

re: WOIO - I remember reading in the PD when they first went on the air in the late 80's. The article said that their transmitter was located in the Parma City Dump! Today it's a beautiful park. I have yet to visit the park, but I have been to WQHS on a visit to Camp Corde many years ago. In fact about a year before they built that tower I walked up that hill and thought that would be a great place for a tower.

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I've driven past WJW on my way to work every day since 1996 and lived in it's shadow (.8 of a mile) since 2005. I never saw a self-supporting tower, the old tower IIRC was also guyed. If they had a back-up tower it was long gone by the time I started driving through what would become my neighborhood. I could have sworn it was after '98 when the new tower went up, in '98 they did not know yet what the digital transition would entail. WKYC was first to go digital, wasn't that around '02 or '03? The WJW tower had to have gone up after that. Trip, do you have any information in your archives on when WJW erected it's current tower?

Who did have a self supporting backup tower that is now gone was WKYC. WEWS may still have theirs, like I said it's hard to see.

re: WOIO - I remember reading in the PD when they first went on the air in the late 80's. The article said that their transmitter was located in the Parma City Dump! Today it's a beautiful park. I have yet to visit the park, but I have been to WQHS on a visit to Camp Corde many years ago. In fact about a year before they built that tower I walked up that hill and thought that would be a great place for a tower.
On Google Earth, roll back the imagery to 1994. There's a self supporting tower near the northwest corner of the transmitter building. The imagery also shows the old guyed tower which is painted. Jump to 2000 and the self supporting tower is gone. You can see recent land clearing between the tower and the neighborhood. There are also dirt paths leading to the guy wire anchors, assuming that they were freshly installed for the new tower. The self supporting tower was probably removed shortly during/after 1994. I just assumed that it was removed during construction of the new tower. (I believe FCC records indicate that the current tower was built in 98.)

1997 was about the time when News Corp. bought out New World Communications. If the new tower wasn't built for the future of digital, then maybe News Corp. rebuilt it to help improve coverage. Remember that the deal between News Corp. and New World Communication was to place it's FOX network on VHF stations due to it's better reception. That's why WJW and WOIO swapped affiliations in the fall of 1994.

WKYC should still have their self supporting tower. I recall seeing it this past summer when I visited West Creek Reservation. It still has a VHF batwing antenna on it. WEWS should still be standing, might be hard to see from the road with the tall trees.

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I'm not seeing any freezing in the broadcast now. Perhaps there was ice on their satellite dish? I do see a brief frozen/pixelated image once in a while, but not often. Is that what you were seeing this morning?
Yep, every 30-seconds to 1 minute, the picture would freeze or pixellate badly for a second, sometimes the audio would also very briefly drop out. As of last evening, it appeared to be fixed.
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3, 5, and 8 all had small self-supporting towers next to the big towers back in the 80's, IIRC. I assumed they were for backup transmitters.

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I've driven past WJW on my way to work every day since 1996 and lived in it's shadow (.8 of a mile) since 2005. I never saw a self-supporting tower, the old tower IIRC was also guyed. If they had a back-up tower it was long gone by the time I started driving through what would become my neighborhood. I could have sworn it was after '98 when the new tower went up, in '98 they did not know yet what the digital transition would entail. WKYC was first to go digital, wasn't that around '02 or '03? The WJW tower had to have gone up after that. Trip, do you have any information in your archives on when WJW erected it's current tower?

Who did have a self supporting backup tower that is now gone was WKYC. WEWS may still have theirs, like I said it's hard to see.
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3, 5, and 8 all had small self-supporting towers next to the big towers back in the 80's, IIRC. I assumed they were for backup transmitters.
Those self supporting towers were originally used when those stations first signed on. They were good enough to cover the core population of Cuyahoga Country with decent reception. As the population expanded into rural areas, a taller tower was needed to provide greater coverage. The self supporting towers were then re-purposed as backup transmitters.

WJW's self supporting tower is gone, but it's backup antenna is now on the guyed tower, presumably the three bay batwing. WKYC still has a batwing antenna on top of their self supporting tower, but it's pretty much useless as batwings are for VHF and WKYC transmits digitally on UHF. Their digital backup antenna was installed on the new tower. As for WEWS, I'm not certain, but I think they removed the analog channel 5 antenna from their self supporting tower and replaced it with a digital RF 15 as a backup.

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It must have been an encoder issue as the "Cleveland" bug would disappear when the screen blacked out. If it was the satellite, the "Cleveland" bug would still be on the screen, if present. Anyway, I think they finally fixed that because I haven't seen that happen in a long time.
That Cleveland Bug really "Bugs" you, huh??

My comments on WOIO/WQHS & antenna icing with link were deleted yesterday, not sure why?

5's signal seemed to be back to normal finally this morning.
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That Cleveland Bug really "Bugs" you, huh??
Well, no. But it helps in troubleshooting problems. There is one thing about the bug that bothersome. Since September, the "Cleveland" bug has been misaligned with the Me-TV bug. It should be centered underneath. But if you look closely, it is more towards the left side of the Me-TV bug. I think the misalignment is with the network. WTOL's is also off towards the left side, but for some reason is less noticeable. Maybe because they have the call letters in theirs?

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Noticed how the WJW tower only has one set of anchors for the guy wires. The roads and neighborhood prevents the tower from having another set father out. This probably limits the height and weight of the tower. Being in the middle of a populated area, I wonder if that's the reason why the WJW tower has strobe lights during the day. And why is their tower not painted? Isn't that a requirement?
While there is only a single base for each set of guy wires, there are 4 wires extending up to different elevations along the tower, and those wires have another guy wire on what looks like a wheel (presumably for wind loading) pulling back to the ground in the opposite direction. The Ch. 8 antenna is at 342 meters.

BTW They still have a CP for Ch. 31!
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While there is only a single base for each set of guy wires, there are 4 wires extending up to different elevations along the tower, and those wires have another guy wire on what looks like a wheel (presumably for wind loading) pulling back to the ground in the opposite direction. The Ch. 8 antenna is at 342 meters.

BTW They still have a CP for Ch. 31!
If you run strobe lights 24X7 you do not need to paint.
It is up to the tower owner to decide whether to paint the tower and run red lights at night or not paint and do strobe lights 24X7.
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I have noticed that channel 35 analog has had a consistently better signal than normal. Did somebody crank up the power?
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W35AX looks slightly worse for me. Maybe the snow or the ice on their antenna is beaming the signal in your direction.

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If you run strobe lights 24X7 you do not need to paint.
It is up to the tower owner to decide whether to paint the tower and run red lights at night or not paint and do strobe lights 24X7.
The WJW tower only has strobes during the daytime. They switch to red lights at night.

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I'm new here and I want to say that right now, I can't get Channels 8, 19, and 43...I got them yesterday but today all I got was "No Signal".

I have amplifiers and a Radio Shack Indoor Antenna...what should I do?
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Just as awful as usual here. Any idea when their digital will be up? (can't get a trace of 29 here).

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W35AX looks slightly worse for me. Maybe the snow or the ice on their antenna is beaming the signal in your direction.
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I had thought if they do end up with ThisTv they would be digital by March 27th,
For repack protection they need to be digital by before May 29th and have Channel 16 as their main channel with 35 anlog shut down
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I'm new here and I want to say that right now, I can't get Channels 8, 19, and 43...I got them yesterday but today all I got was "No Signal".

I have amplifiers and a Radio Shack Indoor Antenna...what should I do?
You need more specifics on location, specific antenna type/model, building materials in dwelling, ect.

You must be close to the transmitters to be doing that good with an indoor (West or Southwest side I would guess).

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I had thought if they do end up with ThisTv they would be digital by March 27th,
For repack protection they need to be digital by before May 29th and have Channel 16 as their main channel with 35 anlog shut down
Is this just speculation (on This), I thought it was likely going to 8.3?

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It is speculation, Someone said WIVM was going to get it and drop Retro Tv, but also a year or two ago WIVM had FGO and My Family Tv for a day or two something along those lines, So maybe Retro Tv could move to another subchannel, but This Tv has another sister channel, not owned by Tribune it is caled The Works, so that may be head to WIVM possibly WAOH/W35AX, it is a wait and see, But Cozi Tv and H&I could end up on those channels also they are more popular than the luken networks, its speculation again, But the Luken Networks are getting better programming, Tuff Tv is going to have more original programming this year they say, Rev'N is adding programs and events, But now the amount of spectrum for the auction the FCC wants went from 120 down to 84 and now is 125 mhz so as far as lptv stations who knows how many we'll have left in this area after repack
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BTW They still have a CP for Ch. 31!
Would this open up 8 RF for the possibility of an additional station?
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It is speculation, Someone said WIVM was going to get it and drop Retro Tv, but also a year or two ago WIVM had FGO and My Family Tv for a day or two something along those lines, So maybe Retro Tv could move to another subchannel, but This Tv has another sister channel, not owned by Tribune it is caled The Works, so that may be head to WIVM possibly WAOH/W35AX, it is a wait and see, But Cozi Tv and H&I could end up on those channels also they are more popular than the luken networks, its speculation again, But the Luken Networks are getting better programming, Tuff Tv is going to have more original programming this year they say, Rev'N is adding programs and events,
Read about the Works & there is also AMG, I don't see any of these LP's up here (including W38ET which per TV fool I should get with a paper clip.. not that I really need it though would be nice to get on the indoor), so putting major diginets on these (like This) would be my loss.... I'm not looking forward to these changes.... since these LP's cover the Cleveland DMA there is no second options. I thought Tuff & PBJ would end up on 16.

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& this means (in channel allocations?).
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